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Serious / Re: Is transgenderism a mental disorder?
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:47:23 PM »
Tell that to people who are born intersex.
People who are actually born intersex have a whole different ballpark. They're one of the few kinds of people that can actually choose what sex they'd like to be.

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Serious / Re: Is transgenderism a mental disorder?
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:46:31 PM »
I think you lose your right to talk about transgender topics when you think this to be true.
Lol, okay? Is this your way of exiting an argument you know you've lost?

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Serious / Re: Opinions on this? (Gender and Sex)
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:43:28 PM »
Gender and sex are two completely different things
No, not really. They're literally synonyms.
D-did you just say that?

Sex=Biological
Gender=Self-identification

A person can be born biologically male or female (sex) but identify the opposite of the organs they were born with (gender)
Can my gender be a bear if that's what I identify as?

Again, it doesn't matter what you "identify" as. You know when you're filling out a job application and there's that little box that says "gender"? They're not asking what your delusional self wishes you were, they're asking what you actually are.

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Serious / Re: Is transgenderism a mental disorder?
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:39:21 PM »
If you're born with a penis, you're a man. If you're born with a vagina, you're a woman.
Objectively incorrect.

Sex =/= gender.
He meant to say "biologically male" and "biologically female". Keyword being "biologically". Our SecondClass friend isn't good with words, be easy with him.

He didn't even say "boy" and "girl", he literally said you're born a man or woman. But no one's pointing that out.
Whatever. Man, woman; boy, girl; "biologically male", "biologically female". They all mean the same thing.

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Serious / Re: Is transgenderism a mental disorder?
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:38:23 PM »
If you're born with a penis, you're a man. If you're born with a vagina, you're a woman.
Objectively incorrect.

Sex =/= gender.
No, sex and gender are synonyms. You can cry yourself to sleep every night wishing that your mom ate more potatoes when she was pregnant with you, but at the end of the day, you are what you are.

Also, way to completely ignore the fact that I proved transgenderism is rooted in a mental disorder.

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Serious / Re: Is transgenderism a mental disorder?
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:34:21 PM »
(double post}

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Serious / Re: Is transgenderism a mental disorder?
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:33:06 PM »
Gender dysphoria means that you think you're the opposite gender than what you really are.
No, that's transgender.
No, that's gender dysphoria:
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Gender identity disorder (GID) or gender dysphoria is the formal diagnosis used by psychologists and physicians to describe people who experience significant dysphoria (discontent) with the sex they were assigned at birth and/or the gender roles associated with that sex. Evidence suggests that people who identify with a gender different from the one they were assigned at birth may do so not just due to psychological or behavioral causes, but also biological ones related to their genetics, the makeup of their brains, or prenatal exposure to hormones.

I'll ignore the "what you really are" part since it's retarded.
And how is that retarded? If you're born with a penis, you're a man. If you're born with a vagina, you're a woman. Not that hard to understand.

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Serious / Re: Is transgenderism a mental disorder?
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:29:00 PM »
Please explain how I could possibly be proving you right.
It said that gender nonconformity isn't in and of itself a mental disorder, and implied that actual gender dysphoria is.
..which means it doesn't support your argument. Transgenderism and gender dysphoria are not the same thing.
Gender dysphoria means that you think you're the opposite gender than what you really are. Transgenderism is following through with that delusion and changing your gender. Not the same thing, but definitely linked. It's worth noting that transgenderism is rooted in a certified mental disorder.

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Serious / Re: Is transgenderism a mental disorder?
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:26:07 PM »
Yes, it objectively is. Imbalanced hormones cause a literal disorder in your brain, making you think that you're a sex that you actually aren't.
Class' favourite word today: "Objectively"
That's my favorite word every day, along with "literally".

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Serious / Re: Is transgenderism a mental disorder?
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:25:44 PM »
Please explain how I could possibly be proving you right.
It said that gender nonconformity isn't in and of itself a mental disorder, and implied that actual gender dysphoria is. Ana again, just because you linked a psychiatric article, doesn't make that article automatically correct.

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Serious / Re: Opinions on this? (Gender and Sex)
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:23:53 PM »
Gender and sex are two completely different things
No, not really. They're literally synonyms.

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Serious / Re: Is transgenderism a mental disorder?
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:20:42 PM »
*sigh*
No, it's not.

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The organization responsible for defining what is and is not a psychiatric disorder, the American Psychiatric Association, has this to say about the matter (via the DSM-5):

It is important to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition.

In short, the people who wrote the definition of "psychiatric disorder" categorically reject the statement that a transgender identity is intrinsically disordered.
Thanks for proving me right. And anyway, just because some association says it's so, doesn't make it so.

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Serious / Re: Opinions on this? (Gender and Sex)
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:18:33 PM »
Yeah, both of them are idiots.

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The Flood / Re: Has science gone too far?
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:17:42 PM »
Then you've been lucky enough to not have to deal with intense amount of racism.

Some racist jokes are hilarious. Most aren't. This one here is just downright stupid and rude.
I live in an area where whites are more discriminated against than blacks. People make racist white jokes all the time, and whites make racist black jokes right back. No one is legitimately racist, though, they're just jokes.

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Serious / Re: Is transgenderism a mental disorder?
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:14:27 PM »
Yes, it objectively is. Imbalanced hormones cause a literal disorder in your brain, making you think that you're a sex that you actually aren't.

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The Flood / Re: Who is the best user on Sep7agon?
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:12:14 PM »
Objectively me.

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The Flood / Re: Has science gone too far?
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:10:18 PM »
Your thread isn't funny.
You understand that humor is subjective, right? I literally laughed out loud when I opened this thread.
I don't find it funny when I've seen a friend of mine taunted in the same way.

"HEY I DIDN'T KNOW THEY LET ZOO ANIMALS INTO COLLEGE"

I don't find it funny. It's racist. Racism isn't funny to me. Just like jokes about domestic violence aren't funny.
Okay, that's great. So the image isn't funny to you. Don't come in here and say that it's universally unfunny. Some people find racist and domestic abuse jokes hilarious.

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lol, that's hilarious.

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The Flood / Re: Has science gone too far?
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:05:42 PM »
Your thread isn't funny.
You understand that humor is subjective, right? I literally laughed out loud when I opened this thread.

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Gaming / Re: Is anyone still interested in Minecraft?
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:02:39 PM »
Hmmmmmmm

I can probably play it occasionally, but what's the server like?
Is it a griefing fuckfest or somewhat civilised?
No, I've yet to see any griefing/stealing. Gr33n keeps assholes pretty tight.

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As soon as 18 days after conception, there is a heartbeat.
I just can't believe the number of people who never got a chance to live because of abortion.
Millions and millions.
Living =/= sentient. We kill billions of cows, chickens, and pigs every year. Logically and scientifically, a fetus in the first trimester is beneath those animals.
Either way it'll become a human in time. Saying its "inhuman" before a certain point is simply self-justification.

And no, animals are not comparable to a human life.
It doesn't matter if it will be a human in time. Should we illegalize masturbation? Every time you masturbate, you kill thousands of potential humans. And no, animals aren't comparable to human life, but a fetus isn't a human yet, or a "baby", as so many claim. It's a part of the mother's body that can't feel pain, identity, or consciousness. On a developmental scale, it's less than a farm animal.

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Serious / Re: "Moral Considerations" test - really fucking short.
« on: September 14, 2014, 04:48:55 PM »
4.5 for care
2 for justice
0 for everything else

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The Flood / Re: Question to the people who know me at all
« on: September 14, 2014, 04:45:46 PM »
Uh... How about.... Stupid moron?
Don't be so insensitive. You know Zesty is...uh, unique.

But... He's annoyinggggg!!!
Most people with his condition are. But you can't call a mentally slow person a moron. That's kind of messed up, to be frank.

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Oh, a self hating white guy.
Self hating =/= recognizes that his race is better represented in the government than any other

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The Flood / Re: Question to the people who know me at all
« on: September 14, 2014, 11:17:14 AM »
Uh... How about.... Stupid moron?
Don't be so insensitive. You know Zesty is...uh, unique.

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The Flood / Re: Why are female vibrators seen as acceptable??
« on: September 14, 2014, 11:14:54 AM »
Man, white men are so oppressed

28197
Serious / Re: Your favourite thinkers, and how you disagree with them
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:37:46 AM »
I disagree with RFK that Communism is inherently wrong.

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The Flood / Re: Mister Math is transgender
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:19:56 AM »
Who the fuck cares?
Any mentally sane human?
You are a complete dumbass when it comes to any sort of trans* related topic, so please just fuck off.
No, I'm one of the few who doesn't enable a mental disease. You don't see schizophrenics running around calling everyone who wants to help them get cured a bigot.
Not even gonna bother arguing the fast that being transgender isn't a mental disease.
However, you don't see people going around outing people as schizophrenic like it's a big huge deal.
I don't like those who "out" transgenders. I'd rather people keep that weird bullshit to themselves.
I'm fine with keeping things at a mutual level there, long as we agree that publicly outing someone is wrong. Most do want to live their lives in privacy anyway.
Of course. You have every right to keep it to yourself, but once you shout it to the world and get all "tranny and proud" on me, that's when I speak out.
I'm sorry but why shouldn't people within the Trans community have the right to be "tranny and proud".
First off, it's not a community. Calling it a cult would be speaking too highly of it. And secondly, you shouldn't be proud of a disgusting, embarrassing birth defect. I get that people can't help it, but they can still get help. Mental disorders are destructive, yes, but most can be treated. And this is one of them.

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The Flood / Re: Clue 1
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:17:04 AM »

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The Flood / Re: Clue 1
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:15:57 AM »
aw shit son, SecondClass be taking the bait
It's just that I give him shit constantly, and I really want to think that making fun of a mentally disabled person is beneath me.

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