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28171
« on: September 14, 2014, 06:13:36 PM »
So then what about people that walk around in tattoos or piercings? Some people think it's wrong and disgusting, and they're clearly showing that off to the public. Soooo terrible.
That's not even on remotely the same level as the way herms look.
28172
« on: September 14, 2014, 06:06:38 PM »
For the former, because living like that is disgusting and no one will ever take you seriously.
So just because there's some bigots out there like you clearly no one is ever going to take them seriously. Right. Because your opinion of what is disgusting and what is not is totally relevant. I think your foot fetish is disgusting, but does that have any relevance?
You're using the word "bigot" wrong again. And the thing is, I don't have a giant sticker on my forehead that says "I HAVE A FOOT FETISH". Herms make it obvious that they're holding the lock and the key, just from people seeing their face. They're producing both hormones, so they look like a man and a woman, which is disgusting and weird. Again, this is an argument of should, not have to.
28173
« on: September 14, 2014, 06:03:33 PM »
lol, I love the Nostalgia Critic.
28174
« on: September 14, 2014, 06:01:52 PM »
Not really for my own convenience, more for the sake of objective truth. The discrepancies between mental and physical masculinity/femininity, being the main topic of discussion, are differentiated easily by referring to the mental as "gender" and the physical as "sex". Why would you purposely make discussion more difficult by arbitrarily creating a line of equivalence between the two words? As if the English language is the ultimate, infallible dictator of all meaning in the universe. As if words have never had their definitions changed drastically in the past.
Now you're talking about gender roles, which aren't the same thing as gender itself.
28175
« on: September 14, 2014, 06:00:38 PM »
The thing is, I'm totally with you on this argument, but to say that "gender" isn't a mere contrivance and is the same thing as sex is a sign of intellectual bankruptcy. How can we discuss this if you're going to just bend words to your own will?
Whatever, now we're just arguing semantics. We're deviating from the original question, to which the answer is yes. Gender dysphoria. the reason people are transgenders, is a certified mental disorder. That's what people seem to be ignoring.
I'd argue you're confusing causality. Transgenderism causes the dysphoria.
Transgenderism is when you change your sex. The desire to change your sex is a result of the dysphoria.
28176
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:59:50 PM »
Tell that to people who are born intersex.
People who are actually born intersex have a whole different ballpark. They're one of the few kinds of people that can actually choose what sex they'd like to be.
>implying they have to choose just to make society happy
Are you implying that intersex people should actually live their lives that way...? Please tell me you're not serious.
They should live whatever fucking way they want because it doesn't affect anyone else in any way. Get a fucking grip and stop trying to police other people's lives. It's literally the same argument for homosexuality. Does it affect you in any personal way? No? Get the fuck over it. Not your life and not for you to decide.
When did I say that herms should be forced to choose? Look back, that never happened. If they want to live their whole lives being freaks of nature, that's their prerogative. Same with transgenders. They have every right to change their sex, it's their body. I'm saying that herms should choose and transgenders shouldn't change their sex. Why? For the former, because living like that is disgusting and no one will ever take you seriously. And for the latter, because you shouldn't be enabling a mental disorder, you should be getting help.
28177
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:56:43 PM »
The thing is, I'm totally with you on this argument, but to say that "gender" isn't a mere contrivance and is the same thing as sex is a sign of intellectual bankruptcy. How can we discuss this if you're going to just bend words to your own will?
Whatever, now we're just arguing semantics. We're deviating from the original question, to which the answer is yes. Gender dysphoria, the reason people are transgenders, is a certified mental disorder. That's what people seem to be ignoring.
28178
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:54:39 PM »
Except it's not a fake concept. Take off your pants and look down. Do you have a penis or a vagina? That, and that alone, determines what your gender is. What you're doing right now, basically, is arbitrarily merging two concepts for your own convenience, which is petty and willfully ignorant.
Not really for my own convenience, more for the sake of objective truth.
28179
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:52:52 PM »
No, sex and gender are synonyms. What you'd be better of saying is this:
Gender is a fake concept. A social construct. A contrivance. Something that we made exist simply by perceptual fiat. Kinda like the "value" of gold, or our perception of who we areβit is a mark of who we are in our minds.
Except it's not a fake concept. Take off your pants and look down. Do you have a penis or a vagina? That, and that alone, determines what your gender is.
28180
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:49:28 PM »
Tell that to people who are born intersex.
People who are actually born intersex have a whole different ballpark. They're one of the few kinds of people that can actually choose what sex they'd like to be.
>implying they have to choose just to make society happy
Are you implying that intersex people should actually live their lives that way...? Please tell me you're not serious.
28181
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:47:23 PM »
Tell that to people who are born intersex.
People who are actually born intersex have a whole different ballpark. They're one of the few kinds of people that can actually choose what sex they'd like to be.
28182
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:46:31 PM »
I think you lose your right to talk about transgender topics when you think this to be true.
Lol, okay? Is this your way of exiting an argument you know you've lost?
28183
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:43:28 PM »
Gender and sex are two completely different things
No, not really. They're literally synonyms.
D-did you just say that?
Sex=Biological
Gender=Self-identification
A person can be born biologically male or female (sex) but identify the opposite of the organs they were born with (gender)
Can my gender be a bear if that's what I identify as? Again, it doesn't matter what you "identify" as. You know when you're filling out a job application and there's that little box that says "gender"? They're not asking what your delusional self wishes you were, they're asking what you actually are.
28184
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:39:21 PM »
If you're born with a penis, you're a man. If you're born with a vagina, you're a woman.
Objectively incorrect.
Sex =/= gender.
He meant to say "biologically male" and "biologically female". Keyword being "biologically". Our SecondClass friend isn't good with words, be easy with him.
He didn't even say "boy" and "girl", he literally said you're born a man or woman. But no one's pointing that out.
Whatever. Man, woman; boy, girl; "biologically male", "biologically female". They all mean the same thing.
28185
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:38:23 PM »
If you're born with a penis, you're a man. If you're born with a vagina, you're a woman.
Objectively incorrect.
Sex =/= gender.
No, sex and gender are synonyms. You can cry yourself to sleep every night wishing that your mom ate more potatoes when she was pregnant with you, but at the end of the day, you are what you are. Also, way to completely ignore the fact that I proved transgenderism is rooted in a mental disorder.
28186
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:34:21 PM »
(double post}
28187
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:33:06 PM »
Gender dysphoria means that you think you're the opposite gender than what you really are.
No, that's transgender.
No, that's gender dysphoria: Gender identity disorder (GID) or gender dysphoria is the formal diagnosis used by psychologists and physicians to describe people who experience significant dysphoria (discontent) with the sex they were assigned at birth and/or the gender roles associated with that sex. Evidence suggests that people who identify with a gender different from the one they were assigned at birth may do so not just due to psychological or behavioral causes, but also biological ones related to their genetics, the makeup of their brains, or prenatal exposure to hormones. I'll ignore the "what you really are" part since it's retarded.
And how is that retarded? If you're born with a penis, you're a man. If you're born with a vagina, you're a woman. Not that hard to understand.
28188
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:29:00 PM »
Please explain how I could possibly be proving you right.
It said that gender nonconformity isn't in and of itself a mental disorder, and implied that actual gender dysphoria is.
..which means it doesn't support your argument. Transgenderism and gender dysphoria are not the same thing.
Gender dysphoria means that you think you're the opposite gender than what you really are. Transgenderism is following through with that delusion and changing your gender. Not the same thing, but definitely linked. It's worth noting that transgenderism is rooted in a certified mental disorder.
28189
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:26:07 PM »
Yes, it objectively is. Imbalanced hormones cause a literal disorder in your brain, making you think that you're a sex that you actually aren't.
Class' favourite word today: "Objectively"
That's my favorite word every day, along with "literally".
28190
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:25:44 PM »
Please explain how I could possibly be proving you right.
It said that gender nonconformity isn't in and of itself a mental disorder, and implied that actual gender dysphoria is. Ana again, just because you linked a psychiatric article, doesn't make that article automatically correct.
28191
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:23:53 PM »
Gender and sex are two completely different things
No, not really. They're literally synonyms.
28192
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:20:42 PM »
*sigh*
No, it's not.
The organization responsible for defining what is and is not a psychiatric disorder, the American Psychiatric Association, has this to say about the matter (via the DSM-5):
It is important to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition.
In short, the people who wrote the definition of "psychiatric disorder" categorically reject the statement that a transgender identity is intrinsically disordered. Thanks for proving me right. And anyway, just because some association says it's so, doesn't make it so.
28193
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:18:33 PM »
Yeah, both of them are idiots.
28194
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:17:42 PM »
Then you've been lucky enough to not have to deal with intense amount of racism.
Some racist jokes are hilarious. Most aren't. This one here is just downright stupid and rude.
I live in an area where whites are more discriminated against than blacks. People make racist white jokes all the time, and whites make racist black jokes right back. No one is legitimately racist, though, they're just jokes.
28195
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:14:27 PM »
Yes, it objectively is. Imbalanced hormones cause a literal disorder in your brain, making you think that you're a sex that you actually aren't.
28196
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:12:14 PM »
Objectively me.
28197
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:10:18 PM »
Your thread isn't funny.
You understand that humor is subjective, right? I literally laughed out loud when I opened this thread.
I don't find it funny when I've seen a friend of mine taunted in the same way.
"HEY I DIDN'T KNOW THEY LET ZOO ANIMALS INTO COLLEGE"
I don't find it funny. It's racist. Racism isn't funny to me. Just like jokes about domestic violence aren't funny.
Okay, that's great. So the image isn't funny to you. Don't come in here and say that it's universally unfunny. Some people find racist and domestic abuse jokes hilarious.
28198
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:08:55 PM »
lol, that's hilarious.
28199
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:05:42 PM »
Your thread isn't funny.
You understand that humor is subjective, right? I literally laughed out loud when I opened this thread.
28200
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:02:39 PM »
Hmmmmmmm
I can probably play it occasionally, but what's the server like?
Is it a griefing fuckfest or somewhat civilised?
No, I've yet to see any griefing/stealing. Gr33n keeps assholes pretty tight.
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