Is transgenderism a mental disorder?

 
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It's funny because this is supposed to be me not taking part ITT, but it also works for the answer I would give.
Last Edit: September 14, 2014, 05:03:10 PM by Mr Psychologist


 
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Can you just briefly explain why you think it isn't?

You are the psychological authority here, after all.


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In my opinion? Yes.

Yes it is.


 
 
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Hmmmmmmmm

I will tomorrow <.<

If this thread is still unlocked that is >.>

I'm a bit too tired to do anything with any detail tonight. If it is locked I'll PM it to ya instead.


 
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By definition, no.

The incongruity between gender and body that transgender people experience [gender dysphoria] is, however.
Last Edit: September 14, 2014, 05:10:46 PM by Mad Max


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Yes, it objectively is. Imbalanced hormones cause a literal disorder in your brain, making you think that you're a sex that you actually aren't.


 
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A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
*sigh*
No, it's not.

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The organization responsible for defining what is and is not a psychiatric disorder, the American Psychiatric Association, has this to say about the matter (via the DSM-5):

It is important to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition.

In short, the people who wrote the definition of "psychiatric disorder" categorically reject the statement that a transgender identity is intrinsically disordered.


 
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It could very well be a "disorder." Our brains are complicated things, and you switch one set of wires for another, and you get something different.

But, now I ask, does it really matter? Let's just assume it's a disorder. Compared to most other disorders, it's pretty damn mild isn't it? Trans gendered folks aren't overly aggressive, or psychotic, or wired with self destructive neural patterns by nature. All it is, is the association with what sex they are.

And, on that last note, who really cares? People modify their bodies all the time. Piercings. Tattoos. Prosthetics. Fuck, if things keep going eventually, we'll have fully functioning cyborgs.

Is wanting to modify and shift your body from one sex to another really so wrong, when compared to all the other things I mentioned? People can cover their entire bodies in tattoos, making themselves works of art or horror shows. Piercings emulate this as well. Prosthetics replace body parts that are missing. And eventually, Humankind will begin lobbing off body parts willingly for synthetic ones.

It'll be a pretty fucking sad day when and if trans-gendered folks have such stigmas against them and at the same time, we have people lobbing off body parts for machine ones.

In the end, all it comes down to, is it your business anyway? Who the fuck cares what others wish to do with their bodies?

So, yes, it may be a disorder. But is it a big issue, let alone one at all? No.
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No, it's not.

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The organization responsible for defining what is and is not a psychiatric disorder, the American Psychiatric Association, has this to say about the matter (via the DSM-5):

It is important to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition.

In short, the people who wrote the definition of "psychiatric disorder" categorically reject the statement that a transgender identity is intrinsically disordered.
Thanks for proving me right. And anyway, just because some association says it's so, doesn't make it so.


 
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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
*sigh*
No, it's not.

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The organization responsible for defining what is and is not a psychiatric disorder, the American Psychiatric Association, has this to say about the matter (via the DSM-5):

It is important to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition.

In short, the people who wrote the definition of "psychiatric disorder" categorically reject the statement that a transgender identity is intrinsically disordered.
Thanks for proving me right. And anyway, just because some association says it's so, doesn't make it so.
Please explain how I could possibly be proving you right.


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>DSM-5
>lol
Why even bother posting in Serious about a serious topic if you're just going to dismiss arguments?

Is there another prevailing argument that doesn't align with the APA, but supported by research?


 
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>DSM-5
>lol
Why even bother posting in Serious about a serious topic if you're just going to dismiss arguments?

Is there another prevailing argument that doesn't align with the APA, but supported by research?
I'm not dismissing his argument, I'm criticising his source. The DSM-5 is a joke.

I agree with the notion that transgendered identity isn't a disorder.


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Disorder is a technical term for conditions percieved as having a negative effect, defined by the field.
So no it is not a disorder because it isn't defined as one by psychologists. The proper question for what I think you are really trying to ask is "Should it be a disorder?"
Last Edit: September 14, 2014, 05:27:04 PM by God


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Yes, it objectively is. Imbalanced hormones cause a literal disorder in your brain, making you think that you're a sex that you actually aren't.
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Please explain how I could possibly be proving you right.
It said that gender nonconformity isn't in and of itself a mental disorder, and implied that actual gender dysphoria is. Ana again, just because you linked a psychiatric article, doesn't make that article automatically correct.


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Yes, it objectively is. Imbalanced hormones cause a literal disorder in your brain, making you think that you're a sex that you actually aren't.
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Please explain how I could possibly be proving you right.
It said that gender nonconformity isn't in and of itself a mental disorder, and implied that actual gender dysphoria is.
..which means it doesn't support your argument. Transgenderism and gender dysphoria are not the same thing.


 
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I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
What people are expecting in this thread:


 
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Please explain how I could possibly be proving you right.
It said that gender nonconformity isn't in and of itself a mental disorder, and implied that actual gender dysphoria is.
..which means it doesn't support your argument. Transgenderism and gender dysphoria are not the same thing.
Gender dysphoria means that you think you're the opposite gender than what you really are. Transgenderism is following through with that delusion and changing your gender. Not the same thing, but definitely linked. It's worth noting that transgenderism is rooted in a certified mental disorder.


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Please explain how I could possibly be proving you right.
It said that gender nonconformity isn't in and of itself a mental disorder, and implied that actual gender dysphoria is.
..which means it doesn't support your argument. Transgenderism and gender dysphoria are not the same thing.
Gender dysphoria means that you think you're the opposite gender than what you really are.
No, that's transgender. You don't have to "follow through" with anything to be trans.

I'll ignore the "what you really are" part since it's retarded.
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
—Judge Aaron Satie
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Gender dysphoria means that you think you're the opposite gender than what you really are.
No, that's transgender.
No, that's gender dysphoria:
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Gender identity disorder (GID) or gender dysphoria is the formal diagnosis used by psychologists and physicians to describe people who experience significant dysphoria (discontent) with the sex they were assigned at birth and/or the gender roles associated with that sex. Evidence suggests that people who identify with a gender different from the one they were assigned at birth may do so not just due to psychological or behavioral causes, but also biological ones related to their genetics, the makeup of their brains, or prenatal exposure to hormones.

I'll ignore the "what you really are" part since it's retarded.
And how is that retarded? If you're born with a penis, you're a man. If you're born with a vagina, you're a woman. Not that hard to understand.
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The DSM-5 is a joke.
Why?
Oh God. It's hard to explain if you're not into psychology; Mr P would probably do a better job.

It's just. . . Just a fucking mess, to be honest.