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« on: May 20, 2020, 11:57:18 PM »
Self-indulgence could be classified as hedonism. How is exercising hedonistic behavior? Even if you exercise solely to make yourself happy, your loved ones would benefit from your improved behavior.
i would only make that classification if pleasure is all you care about—you're not necessarily a hedonist just because you engage in self-indulgent behavior every once in a while
that doesn't make it intelligent behavior, i just think hedonism is taking it to another extreme that i'm not trying to argue
so how is your behavior tied to your physical well-being, how does exercise improve it, and how would your loved ones benefit from it
Well it’s a fact that exercise improves mental health. But if you’re going to exercise, be bitter while you’re doing it, and then when you accomplish whatever goal you set out to accomplish use it to try and deny science, you’re just wasting your life. Everyone will know you’re lying and chalk it up to you just being you. Just like what happened with all that anime you watched, you ended up enjoying various shows.
do you think anomalies are unscientific or something
also thank you for admitting that exercise is a waste of life lmao
Well that’s the thing, you want to be an anomaly. You self-indulge in trying to be (in your mind, not in actually reality) superior to others.
and that's bad?
I would say yes, you would say no. The point is, what makes what you do any better or worse than exercising for a six pack?
you don't think there's ANYTHING better that i could be doing than getting a six pack? i know you're just trying to say that i'm not doing any of those things, but you already know that's just ad hominem
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« on: May 20, 2020, 11:44:17 PM »
Self-indulgence could be classified as hedonism. How is exercising hedonistic behavior? Even if you exercise solely to make yourself happy, your loved ones would benefit from your improved behavior.
i would only make that classification if pleasure is all you care about—you're not necessarily a hedonist just because you engage in self-indulgent behavior every once in a while
that doesn't make it intelligent behavior, i just think hedonism is taking it to another extreme that i'm not trying to argue
so how is your behavior tied to your physical well-being, how does exercise improve it, and how would your loved ones benefit from it
Well it’s a fact that exercise improves mental health. But if you’re going to exercise, be bitter while you’re doing it, and then when you accomplish whatever goal you set out to accomplish use it to try and deny science, you’re just wasting your life. Everyone will know you’re lying and chalk it up to you just being you. Just like what happened with all that anime you watched, you ended up enjoying various shows.
do you think anomalies are unscientific or something
also thank you for admitting that exercise is a waste of life lmao
Well that’s the thing, you want to be an anomaly. You self-indulge in trying to be (in your mind, not in actually reality) superior to others.
and that's bad?
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« on: May 20, 2020, 11:30:45 PM »
Self-indulgence could be classified as hedonism. How is exercising hedonistic behavior? Even if you exercise solely to make yourself happy, your loved ones would benefit from your improved behavior.
i would only make that classification if pleasure is all you care about—you're not necessarily a hedonist just because you engage in self-indulgent behavior every once in a while
that doesn't make it intelligent behavior, i just think hedonism is taking it to another extreme that i'm not trying to argue
so how is your behavior tied to your physical well-being, how does exercise improve it, and how would your loved ones benefit from it
Well it’s a fact that exercise improves mental health. But if you’re going to exercise, be bitter while you’re doing it, and then when you accomplish whatever goal you set out to accomplish use it to try and deny science, you’re just wasting your life. Everyone will know you’re lying and chalk it up to you just being you. Just like what happened with all that anime you watched, you ended up enjoying various shows.
do you think anomalies are unscientific or something also thank you for admitting that exercise is a waste of life lmao
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« on: May 20, 2020, 10:45:29 PM »
Self-indulgence could be classified as hedonism. How is exercising hedonistic behavior? Even if you exercise solely to make yourself happy, your loved ones would benefit from your improved behavior.
i would only make that classification if pleasure is all you care about—you're not necessarily a hedonist just because you engage in self-indulgent behavior every once in a while that doesn't make it intelligent behavior, i just think hedonism is taking it to another extreme that i'm not trying to argue so how is your behavior tied to your physical well-being, how does exercise improve it, and how would your loved ones benefit from it
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« on: May 20, 2020, 10:20:11 PM »
what does “deserve” have to do with it?
exactly—it doesn't, and that's one of the biggest problems i have with reality
there's people in japan who literally drop dead trying to make an honest living so they can pursue their happiness, and then you have junkies who've never worked a day in their lives who cheat at life and feel good anyway for putting nothing in
so if deservingness has nothing to do with it, why bother earning anything in life? why not just be a druggie, then
and before you say it, i'm not trying to say that going to the gym is the same thing as abusing drugs—i'm just saying, going to the gym is just another form of mindless self-indulgence to me. it's gross, and i don't like anything about it
everyone deserves to be happy in a vacuum, but not in a world where everyone doesn't get to be happy
how is exercising “mindless self-indulgence”?
because it's mechanical and repetitive behavior that provides zero benefits that are not entirely self-serving that's like, the definition of mindless self-indulgence literally the only practical purpose for it that i can think of is if you have a job that involves a lot of heavy-lifting—and guess what? i have absolutely no desire to ever get a job like this, so that's moot in my case, and even if i were interested, there's no reason i wouldn't just shoot for the bare minimum everything else is vanity and bullshit
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« on: May 20, 2020, 07:33:49 PM »
it's not like i don't wish i could just put my hang-ups aside and be a happy little camper like everybody else about shit like this, but that's just not who i am—and if i can't be happy with my own happiness (assuming i achieve such a thing through exercise at all, and i haven't yet), then what's really the point
maybe for you, it's not that deep—happiness is happiness; it doesn't matter where it comes from, and you should either not think about it, or reject the mere thought that your emotions or thoughts could be layered or conflicting in any way
i find that mentality overly simplistic and potentially dangerous, and i think that's the impasse i've hit with you all
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« on: May 20, 2020, 07:08:36 PM »
what does “deserve” have to do with it?
exactly—it doesn't, and that's one of the biggest problems i have with reality there's people in japan who literally drop dead trying to make an honest living so they can pursue their happiness, and then you have junkies who've never worked a day in their lives who cheat at life and feel good anyway for putting nothing in so if deservingness has nothing to do with it, why bother earning anything in life? why not just be a druggie, then and before you say it, i'm not trying to say that going to the gym is the same thing as abusing drugs—i'm just saying, going to the gym is just another form of mindless self-indulgence to me. it's gross, and i don't like anything about it everyone deserves to be happy in a vacuum, but not in a world where everyone doesn't get to be happy
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« on: May 20, 2020, 06:35:25 PM »
if i could rip my essence from my body and just live as an amorphous floating point in space, i would that means you’re afraid of death
whatever fears of death i may possess are strictly biological; there's nothing rational about fearing death, unless you have some reason to believe that there's a hell, and that you're going there or something
exactly, which means you can’t overcome certain biological impulses
even if that's true, it's not like that's any excuse to succumb to them
i think it's good enough to just try, because it affirms your agency
then you should be able to accept that you can’t avoid “succumbing” to endorphins released through exercise and the positive effect they induce. Euphoria is no less real because it comes from an external stimulant instead of as a result of achieving a goal, for example. It would just be different in the sense that you don’t have the added feelings of pride and the satisfaction of achieving a goal, you simply used a substance to achieve it. It still feels good, and even if you try to make it not feel good, you can’t. So when it comes to your exercise, it should all be a positive for you, except the “waste” of time spent exercising. But how can you be wasting your time if you’re doing something productive which makes you feel better and become healthier, both physically and mentally?
let me try putting it this way if i could harness the unwanted surplus of endorphins that i get from doing stupid or self-indulgent shit, bottle it up somehow, accumulate it over time, and then give it all to somebody who actually needs or wants them, that would actually make exercise good and meaningful to me, because i'm actually working towards something bigger and important than myself i simply don't want to feel good if i don't feel like i've done anything to deserve it
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« on: May 20, 2020, 06:02:34 PM »
if i could rip my essence from my body and just live as an amorphous floating point in space, i would that means you’re afraid of death
whatever fears of death i may possess are strictly biological; there's nothing rational about fearing death, unless you have some reason to believe that there's a hell, and that you're going there or something
exactly, which means you can’t overcome certain biological impulses
even if that's true, it's not like that's any excuse to succumb to them i think it's good enough to just try, because it affirms your agency
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« on: May 20, 2020, 05:21:35 PM »
Your spite is greater than your biology
Huge achievement
Great job
thank you
701
« on: May 20, 2020, 03:37:37 PM »
Is the story seriously that confusing or is it just context heavy?
people meme about how confusing it is, but it's really just very dense and, yeah, context-heavy
702
« on: May 20, 2020, 03:29:31 PM »
haven't played it either, but i think metal gear is one of those franchises you should try to play in sequential order first
you don't necessarily have to start with the original MSX2 games from the '80s, but starting with MGS1 is recommended
that is, unless you don't care about the story or whatever—it's just a big part of the franchise's appeal
703
« on: May 20, 2020, 03:15:33 PM »
It's like watching Robert De Niro preparing for Taxi Driver
i was thinking buffalo bill
704
« on: May 20, 2020, 03:09:11 PM »
if i could rip my essence from my body and just live as an amorphous floating point in space, i would that means you’re afraid of death
whatever fears of death i may possess are strictly biological; there's nothing rational about fearing death, unless you have some reason to believe that there's a hell, and that you're going there or something
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« on: May 20, 2020, 03:07:46 PM »
Shortly after the COVID-based cancellation of EVO, which is basically the Superbowl of fighting games, it was announced that an online iteration of the tournament would be held over the course of July—but only for a select few games—none of which were featured in the original lineup, which consisted of Street Fighter V: Champion Edition, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, Tekken 7, Dragon Ball FighterZ, Soulcalibur VI, Samurai Shodown, Granblue Fantasy Versus, and Under Night In-Birth Exe:Late[cl-r]. These games will not have proper tournaments held for them; instead, they'll have "special exhibitions and content" (although, I'm not exactly sure what that entails)—with the notable exception of Smash, which will conspicuously not be featured at the event in any form whatsoever. This is probably because the game's netplay sucks giant donkey dick. Of the four chosen titles for their online tournaments, quality of netplay seems to have been the common denominator: - Mortal Kombat 11: Aftermath - Killer Instinct (2013) - Them's Fightin' Herds - Skullgirls: 2nd Encore Unfortunately, I'm not a big fan of these games. While I do love Killer Instinct, and I have the SNES port of the original game to credit for getting me into the genre in the first place, I don't have an Xbox One or a strong enough PC to run the latest title. I've never taken Mortal Kombat seriously as a competitive fighter, and Them's Fightin' Herds is literally just that one brony fighter rebuilt into its own IP, so... No thanks. That leaves Skullgirls—a game that ALL of my fighting game friends say is incredible, and that I'd really enjoy it from a pure gameplay standpoint, but at the same time, if you know anything about me at all, you already know what my biggest problem with the game is. I did just buy it, though, because it was on sale, and because I'm miraculously able to run it on my shitty-ass laptop—but I haven't tried it yet, and I don't really know if I actually want to just yet.
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« on: May 20, 2020, 09:29:00 AM »
I'm not talking about whatever your current condition is.
i am I just don't believe you're going to have lasting happiness if you don't take care of it.
there are far more valuable things in life to be happy about anyway if i could rip my essence from my body and just live as an amorphous floating point in space, i would that's what i think about my body
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« on: May 20, 2020, 09:17:10 AM »
do you not understand, based on the text you just read, that schizophrenia, and other mental illnesses, are caused imbalanced brain chemistry, and your assertion of being able to ignore that by just thinking about it logically would obviously also apply to mental illness if it were true at all i don't think i've ever claimed thus far that the ability to differentiate BIPMs from LIPMs cannot be inhibited by extreme mental illnesses, and if i have, then i retract those statements my point is that they can in fact be differentiated, and that my ability to do so hasn't been inhibited you aren't capable of anything you think you are. when your brain gets dopamine you feel something, and you can't logic your way around feeling it, or decide to ignore that feeling because it's literally happening to you and you have no choice but to feel it but what i can do is acknowledge the authenticity and value of these feelings i can recognize that dopamine-based emotionality as a whole is total horseshit—a primitive farce of human neurochemistry—and that there's such a concept as earning happiness—and i don't care about unearned happiness the happiness i achieve through having a good meal is unearned happiness, and i don't care about it, because there's nothing intrinsically valuable about having a good meal, because i'm not starving saving a cat from drowning? sure, you've earned that dopamine. you've done something good, so you deserve to feel very happy about it if you take wellbutrin, you'll notice you're incapable of feeling bad, and this is from personal experience
you can think to yourself "I'm such a piece of shit" and go through all the motions to try and make yourself miserable in your mind, but you literally cannot stop feeling good, because you have been stripped of the ability to feel like shit jesus christ why in the holy mother of fuck would anybody ever want this in the first place it doesn't matter what you value or what you think, when the drugs (hormones) hit they hit, and you can't just willpower your way into being sober (not happy) by thinking about it logically, because your brain is a physical organ that feels the things it's told to feel by your body i can do the same thing it doesn't matter how a drug makes you feel; when logic hits, it hits, and you can't just hap-hap-happy your way into being right (not wrong) by thinking about it emotionally, because your feelings are just chemical sensations that intrude and obfuscate the logical part of your brain, but do not and cannot overpower logic itself, because logic is more powerful than your feelings this isn't very constructive
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« on: May 20, 2020, 08:52:23 AM »
So I'm not sure what your whole deal here is. You're saying that all that energy you're devoting to forcing yourself not to be in a bad mood wouldn't be better spent on something else if your blood sugar wasn't low and your healthier more balanced body and mind was managing that subconsciously? And are you saying that since you make yourself feel bad about eating that your stomach doesn't feel full? Because that's the other side of the argument you've been completely ignoring. That if you do well by your body, it will literally feel better all the time.
"making myself feel bad about eating" is kind of a silly way to put it—how i feel about eating, outside of biological impulse, is more of a byproduct of the depressing logical conclusions that i've spent years contemplating anyway, the point of the example was to show you my thought process, because the way i think about eating is directly analogous to the way i think about pretty much everything else you can think of that induces what i just termed as "biologically-induced positive moods" any activity that induces BIPM is something i'm capable of mentally stepping away from, and acknowledging that it's just brain chemistry rewarding me for doing things that i, as an individual, do not value on a personal level—the LIPMs, the rescuing of the cat from the tree, or the helping of the old lady across the street and shit? those are the only positive moods that i see value in, because they actually involve doing good things for people in the real world you're not just lifting something 100 times for no reason, or putting a burger inside of your face BIPMs naturally include things like exercise, eating meals, or that vague "feeling-better-all-the-time" state that you described, which i would personally prefer to label as "not feeling like shit" not feeling like shit is certainly positive, in the sense that it's not negative, and i can't deny this—but it is not positive in and of itself, which is why i don't value it as much as giving somebody a compliment and making their day better because of it, or helping somebody with their homework you might notice a theme with the things i value—they all involve more than just one person's self-indulgence
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« on: May 20, 2020, 08:23:32 AM »
lmao people get schizophrenia because they're weak willed bro
If u had Verbatim's force of will psychosis would just go away
modern studies seem to point toward dopamine?
dopamine inhibitors are an effective treatment of schizophrenia and other psychoses?
no dude they're just not organizing their brains well enough
if they were smarter they wouldn't have such disorganized minds
i don't remember saying shit about schizophrenia if you forgot, this is about breaking the interdependence of physical and mental health on the basis that they have no logical correlation, and that i'm capable of differentiating between logically-induced positive moods and biologically-induced positive moods, and recognizing that the former is intrinsically more meaningful to me i'm sorry if you're not capable of doing that, i guess? but i am
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« on: May 20, 2020, 08:17:47 AM »
I actually laughed.
i mean yeah, it's pretty funny that i have to explain this stuff do you need your biological impulses to tell you when to eat, or do you think you can you figure that out yourself
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« on: May 20, 2020, 08:11:51 AM »
Your mental state can be negatively affected simply by having too much or too little of certain vitamins, or just having a poor gut micro-biome. You don't have to have a chronic condition. If fact research over the last few years has shown that depression and diet are often linked, and even just taking probiotics has helped people just as well as taking anti-depressants.
If you just don't take care of your body at all, then it won't be able to function properly. You'll have greater levels of pain, increased fatigue, imbalanced hormones, a myriad of various issues that aren't going to be overcome until you actually start to take care of your body.
again, you're cheating the argument obviously, if you're in the hole, there's nowhere else to go but up—but that's not the conversation when it comes to my fitness, i'm not in any sort of hole right now, so this doesn't even apply to me
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« on: May 20, 2020, 08:04:17 AM »
I don't see how someone can be physically unhealthy and it not affect their mental health in a negative way. Physical and mental health are very interdependent. My personal experience with this fact is very visceral.
this is a graver insult to the intelligence of humanity than i could ever personally muster up
What, are you trying to say that the two things aren't interdependent?
i'm saying it's a sign of lower intelligence if you don't actively try to put the mental at the forefront
you're not your body
do you really think that the health of your body will have absolutely no effect on your hormones or the chemistry of your brain, or are you just convinced that you alone have learned how to completely separate your consciousness from your physical mind and can overpower the factors that determine how your brain is going to function
i mean, it's not that hard—all you have to do is acknowledge whether your brain chemistry is doing something logical eating, for example, tends to elevate my mood—but it's not for any good reason; i hate eating, and i hate that i have to do it to survive. so from a purely logical standpoint, it actually pisses me off that i have to eat. i'm not going to allow my brain to trick me into thinking that i actually enjoy eating, just because it's trying to prevent me from starving. i already know not to starve myself. i don't need my brain chemistry's help on that, but that's the only reason why it's rewarding me—because if i don't eat, i'll die, and my brain really doesn't want that to happen, even if it logically wouldn't be such a big deal. so eating improves my mood in a strictly biological sense, but logically, because i'm capable of introspection, i don't actually feel any better about myself. and i shouldn't. all i'm doing is eating. i haven't done anything valuable. do you get it now
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« on: May 20, 2020, 07:56:37 AM »
The type of well being I'm talking about has nothing to do with ego, and it's fairly well established that eating a healthy, balanced diet (not extreme weight loss diets like keto) and exercising regularly has a positive correlation with good mental health. Not to mention, your body itself will actually feel better too, and you'll notice. In studies of depression, anxiety, and even schizophrenia, symptoms become less severe when healthy habits are cultivated.
and for how long will i have to exercise to get you to say "but maybe not in all cases, such as yours" because like i've been saying, i don't give a fuckthe only situations in which i would value "feeling better" is if i'm actually doing something intrinsically valuable—like helping somebody i will not allow myself to feel anything positive after engaging in utterly meaningless activities
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« on: May 20, 2020, 07:45:40 AM »
I don't see how someone can be physically unhealthy and it not affect their mental health in a negative way. Physical and mental health are very interdependent. My personal experience with this fact is very visceral.
this is a graver insult to the intelligence of humanity than i could ever personally muster up
What, are you trying to say that the two things aren't interdependent?
i'm saying it's a sign of lower intelligence if you don't actively try to put the mental at the forefront
you're not your body
Okay but that doesn't negate the fact that if you are physically un-well your mental well being will be negatively impacted.
not if you have other things going for you that are more important either way, this is about physical wellness making you happier, not the inverse obviously, if you're morbidly obese or have a terminal illness or something extreme like that, then you have a point
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« on: May 20, 2020, 07:34:00 AM »
I don't see how someone can be physically unhealthy and it not affect their mental health in a negative way. Physical and mental health are very interdependent. My personal experience with this fact is very visceral.
this is a graver insult to the intelligence of humanity than i could ever personally muster up
What, are you trying to say that the two things aren't interdependent?
i'm saying it's a sign of lower intelligence if you don't actively try to put the mental at the forefront you're not your body
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« on: May 20, 2020, 07:17:35 AM »
I don't see how someone can be physically unhealthy and it not affect their mental health in a negative way. Physical and mental health are very interdependent. My personal experience with this fact is very visceral.
this is a graver insult to the intelligence of humanity than i could ever personally muster up
717
« on: May 20, 2020, 07:16:02 AM »
I mean, you would literally feel physically better. Losing 70lbs has made my whole life better.
Being fit isn't just a vanity project, it will actually improve your mood and well-being.
and in a matter of time, i'll be able to refute this
that is 100% an assumption, and I think you realize that
send me to hell for all eternity if i'm wrong, because i'm supremely confident about this assumption you felt better because you wanted to lose that weight, and you pulled it off—like you said, it was a vanity project even if i had one whit of confidence gained from my fitness, i would do everything in my power to suppress, stifle, stymie, frustrate, or block those feelings, because it's completely illogical to get any level of confidence boost from something so fucking worthless and stupid i may be thousands of dollars in debt because i have no marketable talents whatsoever, and i'm depressed as fuck constantly because everything ( everything) sucks—but at least i have big muscles! what a fucking joke. yeah, you'll see how happy i am all right i can't wait to show you how fucking happy this will make me
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« on: May 20, 2020, 06:34:58 AM »
I mean, you would literally feel physically better. Losing 70lbs has made my whole life better.
Being fit isn't just a vanity project, it will actually improve your mood and well-being.
and in a matter of time, i'll be able to refute this
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« on: May 20, 2020, 12:06:28 AM »
i'll admit, though
if someone were to ask me, "how does it feel to have a six pack?"
it'll be EXTREMELY satisfying to be able to say, "like shit. it wasn't worth the effort at all. stop wasting your life on bullshit like this"
no one's ever said that before in history, so i might as well try to be the first to do it, because it's the truth, and so long as people continue to doubt me, i'm determined to prove it—no matter how miserable it makes me
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« on: May 19, 2020, 11:57:06 PM »
The way I see it, that's all entirely dependent on how much you put into exercising. If you're spending let's say one hour a day for a year exercising and that gives you another ten years, I think most of us would say that's a pretty good deal considering all that exercising a year is 15 days total that you're trading for ten years. Of course I know fuck all about all that considering my exercise is just whatever is demanded of me physically at work and being out of work for two months I'm sure I've gained ten pounds just sitting on my ass playing Persona and shitposting.
...you won't get anywhere near 10 extra years of life for fifteen days of exercise, don't be silly even then, while i wanted to avoid getting too morose here, the thing is, i kind of hate life—like, a lot. i don't enjoy it here at all, and i don't want to spend any extra time here if i can avoid it, especially when those extra years will be spent being old and worn out anyway being more attractive to the opposite sex? i don't value that either, because i'm not interested in shallow women—but when you're physically attractive, it kinda becomes impossible to tell whether somebody you're interested in ultimately likes you for you or not the other benefits you could list are what i'm currently in the process of disproving, because i'm fed up with hearing it—i'll show you how happy i really am when i achieve that level of fitness where my life is just supposed to turn the fuck around, and everything will be just swell, because i have six round shapes on my abdomen, or whatever the fuck is supposed to make me feel good about myself for some arbitrary reason—i'll show you
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