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goddammit, i was thinking of peter christopherson(only one of whom is still living today, unfortunately),Willie and Kris are both still alive my dudel
my fucking bad lmao
The Highwaymen - The Road Goes on Forever
Four words: Cash. Jennings. Nelson. Kristofferson. It's no secret that I don't like country music, but as it turns out, when you have a supergroup that combines the quadrilateral talents of all the most beloved stars in the genre (only two of whom are still living today, unfortunately), you get a pretty good album. Go figure.
It's not the kind of album that'll convert you, by any means, but it's hard for me not to be won over by just the sheer novelty of it, especially knowing that this is the last time they'd ever collaborate. The opening track, "The Devil's Right Hand," was written by my guy, Steve Earle, and is probably my favorite track.
That said, this is probably not even the best Highwaymen album. Try the first one instead, if you wanna hear the best they've been able to produce together. This one's worth a listen, but perhaps not if you just hate the genre out of pocket.
General Public - Rub It Better
This is just some shitty reggae-infused new wave that probably sounded out of date in 1995, let alone 2020, notwithstanding some of the homoerotic overtones. Pretty strong "why the fuck am I listening to this?" material.
Duran Duran - Thank You
These guys are okay, but this is pretty much just a throwaway covers album. The song choice is definitely interesting, though—from Bob Dylan, Led Zep, and Lou Reed, to Public Enemy and Grandmaster Flash—and I don't fully understand the logic behind these choices, but judging by the album cover and the title, it appears that Duran Duran just wanted to pay tribute to a bunch of artists that inspired them and nothing more.
That's all well and good, but none of the material is very interesting. I enjoyed the cover of Lou Reed's "Perfect Day" (and Reed himself reportedly gave it high praise, saying it was the best cover of his own material that he'd ever heard) and "Drive By," the only original song on the record, is pretty interesting as well, but this album got completely slammed by critics for some reason. Q magazine in particular said it was the worst album ever made.
I mean, it's not that it's good, but I honestly don't know how you could come to that conclusion. It's just whatever. Not memorable, not useful, goes in one ear and out the other for the most part, but completely inoffensive. If a record has to be bad, this is as bad as I'd ever want them to be.
Montell Jordan - This Is How We Do It
This is the one with that dumbass "THIS IS HOW WE DO IT" song on it, which is easily one of my least favorite popular songs that apparently came out in 1995. Everything else is just typical hyper-sensual R&B trash, and I have nothing nice to say about it. By all accounts, the guy does have a nice voice, but if he didn't, he wouldn't have a CD, so I need a little bit more than that. There's only so many songs about licking vaginas that I can put up with.
Blind Guardian - Imaginations from the Other Side
This was pretty neat. As far as metal goes, I don't really think it does anything special or unique, but the band does seem to place an emphasis on dramatic narrative storytelling in their lyrics. Besides that, they pretty much just make really cool and shred-happy metal music. Every song is as epic and grandiose and empowering as you'd expect it to be—but depending on how much metal you listen to, the appeal may not come across to you at all, or it might just seem lame or passé to you. As someone who finds himself in the middle, though, I liked it.
« on: May 30, 2020, 12:46:37 PM »
"I love how they hired a golf commentator for a giant mech fight"
Imagine my shock when this thread hasn't been necrolocked yet... Anyways, I'm bringing this back momentarily. I'm bored, I'm quarantined, I have nothing else to do, so let's review some old fucking albums.
In the context of 1995, these will represent the month of April, and after this batch, I'll have sixteen more to listen to, and ten more that I've already heard to post my thoughts about. I'm not sure if I'll head straight into May after I'm done just yet, but probably not. This shit takes for-fucking-ever, and listening to bad music (which 90% of music is) can be extremely discouraging.
Daddy Yankee - No Mercy
This is the guy who would end up recording "Gasolina," and being featured on "Despacito"—although, hopefully, you've been living under a rock and haven't heard either of those songs.
This debut isn't actually that bad, though. I don't love it, but he raps really fast—at least twice as fast as Eminem on "Rap God" at certain points—which I think is inherently impressive if not fun to listen to, even if the lyrics are shit. I wouldn't know if the lyrics are shit, however, because I don't understand Spanish anyway, which is somewhat of a bonus.
The beats are kinda shitty, but Yankee's aggressive, rapid-fire, and in-your-face delivery makes up for it. I think most of you would probably find his flow extremely irritating, and I can completely understand that. Personally, I like his energy, although it can get a little grating for me sometimes, too. As such, I can't really give it a strong recommendation—although I do kinda see how he got so big just from this album alone.
Guided by Voices - Alien Lanes
I'm not gonna beat around the bush—I don't really get this one. I'm definitely not opposed to the concept of lo-fi music, but GBV's particular brand of it kind of makes me question a few things. The record is an average length at 40 minutes, but it has almost 30 songs. This basically means that there isn't a single track that goes above the 3-minute mark. One track, "Cigarette Tricks," is a mere 18 seconds.
Is this album a serious attempt at music? It's hard to tell. I couldn't tell you if there's any songs that I like, because none of them last long enough for me to make that call. But they also don't last long enough for me to feel annoyed by them if they sucked. The entire album just kind of bleeds together into this big blurry mess, kind of like the days spent during a lockdown.
This is, more or less, how all GBV albums are. It's just kind of their style, I guess. I can't say that I'm personally into it, because I like my music to have some semblance of effort or purpose woven into them, but I can respect the desire to do something different than what everyone else is doing. I just struggle to recommend it on virtually any level.
6/10 (feeling generous)
Sugar Ray - Lemonade and Brownies
Proto nu metal
If you're over the age of 20, the answer to the following question is an assured "yes," but otherwise: Have you ever heard the song "Fly" by Sugar Ray? If not, I apologize for linking you to this obnoxious earworm.
Anyways, yeah, that's these guys. Until they made reggae-flavored pop music, they actually used to make nu metal before it exploded in the late '90s to early 2000s—and it was no less cheesy and stupid in 1995 than it was afterwards.
Here's an embarrassing fact about me, though: I actually enjoy me some nu metal, albeit in progressively small doses as I get older. An album's worth of the stuff is probably a bit much for me nowadays, especially when this particular record has some super dumb jazz piss-takes thrown into it. It was also produced by the film director who goes by the name of McG, and if you don't understand why that's absolutely hilarious, I apologize.
No matter how much I try to deny it, though, "10 Seconds Down" is still kind of a banger, and "Danzig Needs a Hug" is not only a hilarious song title, but a pretty nice cool-down moment on the record as well.
At the end of the day, it's still just really shitty and dated bro music to the core, but I'm still able to find things to appreciate about it, even if it's only in an ironic sense. You could say it's my favorite kind of stupidity, although I've been weening myself out of it, and I ultimately blame my parents for getting me into the genre at an early age.
5/10 (but in my heart, it's a 6/10)
Strapping Young Lad - Heavy as a Really Heavy Thing
Industrial (death?) metal
This is probably the loudest and most unhinged album I've covered so far—but if you can't tell by the title, it's done in a somewhat tongue-in-cheek fashion, where it doesn't take itself very seriously. It really is insanely heavy, though, to a point where it's actively hostile to the ears. There are some tracks on here, like "Drizzlehell," that are just absolutely out of fucking control with their noise levels. It's like you're stuck in an echo chamber filled with hundreds of people screaming at the top of their lungs in the most exaggeratedly horrifying way possible, or something.
At the same time, though, if you're somebody who looks for music like this, I wouldn't be surprised if you'd consider this to be lightweight shit. It's hard to tell with you degenerates sometimes.
Me personally, it was a bit much, in the same way that death metal is a bit much. But I did appreciate some of the more composed moments, like on "In the Rainy Season" or "Skin Me." There's definitely something positive to remark about music that activates your fight/flight response, or makes you feel like you're under attack, or being chased around by a crazed yet inexplicably musclebound lunatic on the street with an ax.
If any of that shit sounds like fun to you, maybe check this one out, but it's worth noting that frontman Devin Townsend has since disowned this album as "record company bullshit." Take that as you will, I suppose.
KMFDM - Nihil
I'm not huge on these guys, but for the time being, this is probably my favorite KMFDM. Just really solid industrial music with a fiery political intensity, similar to the Atari Teenage Riot that I raved about several months ago, albeit not quite on the same level. I don't have much to say about it besides that. It's just cool music.
If you like Rammstein, you might consider trying these guys out—especially if you like aggressive EDM, because while they're not metal by any means, they do possess that familiar "angry German music" energy.
« on: May 27, 2020, 05:03:21 PM »
before anyone else thinks to post it
« on: May 27, 2020, 04:58:24 PM »
maybe give Legend of the Galactic Heroes a tryI will never understand the appeal because I find the tropes and especially their idea of "cute" as being viscerally disgusting. Had weeb friends in middle school/high school and I genuinely tried to like it, watched several shows and even read some manga since they pushed it onto me really hard. Instead of converting me like they wanted, it had the opposite effect and I went from not really caring to flat out hating anime. Also made me realize how fucked up Japanese culture is.I kinda get this too, though probably not to the same extent.
it's about space warfare, and it takes itself very seriously
i personally find it boring, but i think it has baconshelf written all over it
i think it's assfuck bullshit that i needed to take so many math courses just to qualify for the most basic compsci, but once i managed, it was okay i guess, but i still have a lot of resentment towards the system for putting me through the wringerHow do you like itsame moment i realized that i needed a minor to get my degreeSince when were you doing compsciWhat is it you study, again?english and compsci
same moment i realized that i needed a minor to get my degreeSince when were you doing compsciWhat is it you study, again?english and compsci
went for compsci because i already had a few credits in it from that time i switched
My point is that these are not present in the text itself. Narrative is textual; we may engage hermeneutically in a narrative-like way with given pieces of text, but I don't think this makes the text itself narrative.narrative is textual, but a major part of any text is subtext
it's not invalid to interpret stories at face value alone, but if we're trying to define what a story is, i just think it's needlessly restrictive to write off all subtext, because stories will often contain much more information than can be interpreted literally
this becomes especially important when you consider stories told without the use of lexemes, such as cave paintings, hieroglyphics, silent films with no dialogue, or this story from the SCP Foundation that only uses images to form its narrative (which is a very fun read, by the way)
If you're asking me what I think makes a narrative? I'm not entirely sure. I'd probably say something like the syntagmatic coherence of a representation of a set of events, where the representation (the narrative) is constituted by a structure of diachronic (fictive) emplotment which renders heterogenous agents, events and objects intelligible in the context of the whole.and the six-word example doesn't fit this framework?
you have a representation of a set of events which syntactically cohere—there are baby shoes for sale (1), and they have never been worn (2); you've already conceded the diachronic nature of these events, so i won't go over that
as for "heterogeneous agents," you have the seller of the shoes (which also serve as an object, including the sign/placard/whatever the text is clearly intradiegetically written on), the baby that they would've belonged to, and (most nebulously) the people to whom the shoes are being offered—these agents are vague, sure, but not unintelligible
am i forgetting something?
well, just lewd pictures, rightHow cringe is his Twitter?Good lord I can't stand to watch that guy after discovering his Twitter.
i know people recently turned on idubbbz for this, but i honestly don't see how that makes you a cuck (or why it matters)
I think a major thing for a lot of people as a starting point to liking is that it's just precived as different that what's normally broadcast. Especially in the past like the early 2000sthat's definitely a good point
some people who are into cartoons in general may find it frustrating that 99% of western cartoons are either 1.) for children, or 2.) completely drama-less adult comedy shows
even shows that i want to enjoy for their serious thematic stuff, like steven universe, tend to be off-puttingly juvenile
anime provides a variety in genres that western cartoons simply lack, and i've actually always commended it for that
a story with this "self-contained teleological orientation" that you described—an element that is innate to the story, and is not merely inferred—such that its removal would cede its narrative status by reducing it to a mere sequence of eventsAn example of what, exactly?This doesn't seem particularly pertinent to me. A narrative can have a self-contained teleological orientation without any affirmation of some metaphysical telos. All this would entail is that there is some mythopoeic element to narrativity (depending on how expansively you want to define myth)--if we think a telos is necessary--and that's a bullet I'd probably be willing to bite.okay, so before i respond properly, do you have a specific example in mind?
anything you'd consider a story, basically—the simpler, the better
as a matter of fact, what's the simplest story that you know, or could come up with, that would appear to satisfy all the criteria that you deem necessary? if you'd like, you could even take the six-word example i gave and add to it
This doesn't seem particularly pertinent to me. A narrative can have a self-contained teleological orientation without any affirmation of some metaphysical telos. All this would entail is that there is some mythopoeic element to narrativity (depending on how expansively you want to define myth)--if we think a telos is necessary--and that's a bullet I'd probably be willing to bite.okay, so before i respond properly, do you have a specific example in mind?
Not all of us feel obligated to write a sermon to validate our feelings on some cartoons.that's fine, but forgive me if i think it's better to post something more thoughtful in a thread asking a genuine question
pretty sure i didn't prove my superioritynote the disparity in my response vs. everyone else's responsesImagine having such a sad life you have to prove your superiority even on anime
pretty sure you did lmao
What is it you study, again?english and compsci
I don't think this constitutes a reduction of the narrative down to an event. Narratologically the sentence doesn't qualify; the content of whatever the reader infers may constitute a narrative, but this is a different object to the sentence.i'm not so sure about that—i for one could not propose any additional information to that sentence which could further qualify its narrative status more than it already has; i think it has virtually everything you need, and if not, i'm not sure what it lacks
is it the lack of telos? the problem with this is that, if you were to be a nihilist, then all of teleology is a myth anyway; so you could argue that there's no point to any story beyond that which you can infer for yourself
so to that end, drawing inferences—parsing meaning from a narrative—is the whole raison d'être of storytelling, even if discovering that meaning is an arduous pursuit
the other items you proposed, again, just kinda seem like personal preferences to me—you would naturally prefer that a story possess these qualities, as i would, because it makes them more entertaining, cohesive, or immediately meaningful, but given the subjective nature of these—what resonates with you may not resonate with me—i'm not so quick to co-opt those suggestions
the only ones i've been able to enjoy out of the 300 some odd that i've tried are the ones that are decidedly un-anime in their presentation, with the exception of something like neon genesis evangelion, which could be described as quintessential anime, but i still mainly enjoy it for its thematic elements, vaguely cinematic story structure, direction, tone, and pathos more so than i enjoy it for the things that make it anime—the show just has a lot of pseudo-pessimistic shit to say about the human condition (and sometimes not so pseudo) from a psychosociological perspective, and honestly, i'll eat that shit up wherever i find it
i couldn't tell you what makes it appealing from an anime perspective, because the most "anime" aspects of evangelion tend to be the very worst parts of it—and ultimately, i think that mostly just boils down to cultural friction
like, i'm always going to hate how women have been portrayed in anime—it's just viscerally repugnant to me
but at this point, i've just found that there are some shows with enough positive qualities going for them that transcend any hang-ups i might have towards the medium—because i actually prefer to enjoy things, believe it or not, and it would be a shame to write off incredibly deep shows like evangelion just because it does stupid anime shit sometimes
there's a film called Perfect Blue that you might enjoy—it's a movie person's movie even moreso than Akira, i would say, and it inspired Black Swan if you enjoyed that
you're gonna have a tough time finding a good series, though—there's a show on netflix called Devilman: Crybaby that i really like, for all the same reasons that i like evangelion basically, and it's only 10 episodes. you'll know right away whether it's for you or not
Is a sequence of events sufficient to be a narrative? If not, what else must be added to this recorded sequence of events in order to make it a narrative?these things might be necessary for an engaging narrative, but whoever said narratives had to be engaging?
i do think you could essentially reduce a narrative down to "any sequence of events" told with the purpose of relaying some kind of ontological experience—or hell, even just one event, like in that famous six-word story:
For sale: baby shoes, never worn.
only one event is described in this story—and if you've never seen it before, yes, that's the entire story—and the idea is that other events can be inferred from the terse descriptions, but not necessarily; it's all up to the reader
A corollary question would be what relation does narrative structure have with dialogue; are things like polyphonic novels different in kind in their narrative structure from 'regular' forms of literature, or do they operate with the same notion of narrativity?it certainly complicates the story insofar as there are now multiple voices telling it, but i think the same general theory applies
relate to that final point but wouldn’t say I regret it. University has without doubt killed a substantial part of my motivation to read/write things which are fictional, or even just non-academic. That being said, I’m not sure 18-year-old me would’ve invested that time much better anyway.shitty, although that's mostly my own fault
because living on campus is too expensive, i have to commute—and since i don't drive, i have to take public transit, which turns a 30 minute trip into a 75 minute trip, every single day of class, both to and from campus
i haven't learned much of anything, and although some of my professors are nice, a lot of them are cunts
i've made no new friends, and i haven't made myself a part of any clubs, orgs, or fraternities—i typically just go to class and then leave—all the friends i did have are out of state, and don't use social media, so it's been rather lonely as well. virtually everything i do is punctuated by the notion that i'm just wasting my time and money
so yeah, it's honestly been quite miserable
although, like i said, most of that is my own fault—i just can't be fucked. too depressed, too anxious
the best thing i can say is that my experiences here have provided a goldmine of inspiration for my writing