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37621
« on: June 03, 2015, 06:50:35 PM »
And for those who happen to be dysphoric to their own accord, we should teach them that it's perfectly okay to be born with the "wrong" body. It's not harmful, and it won't change their life all that much.
I don't see what the problem is there.
37622
« on: June 03, 2015, 06:46:34 PM »
Verb, come on, little boys don't turn transgender because someone picks on them for playing with dolls.
Some of them become dysphoric, though. All dysphoria means is that you're unsatisfied with your life for some reason or another. Of course that can result from social ostracization.
37623
« on: June 03, 2015, 06:44:33 PM »
I thought your goal was to exterminate all life in the universe to get rid of your teen angst the suffering caused by life Hence "if we must produce a society at all".
37624
« on: June 03, 2015, 06:42:31 PM »
I am saying people are going to care anyway No, they won't. Very few people care about your skin color, very few people care if you're homosexual. We can produce a society that doesn't care about gender identity.
37625
« on: June 03, 2015, 06:38:55 PM »
And hey, maybe you're just one of those people who could be fine with either side, but apparently I'm not one of them.
Well, my goal is to produce a society (if we must produce a society at all) to not be comprised of a bunch of bigoted shitheads who cause people to feel uneasy or insecure or dysphoric to the point where they question their identity. And if someone is going to question their identity, they'll do it out of curiosity and wonder, not fear. Apparently, that's a shitty idea though. I should really stop trivializing the issue! Whatever. Thank you for sharing your situation with me.
37626
« on: June 03, 2015, 06:36:37 PM »
And this is your problem. not everybody is a appatheric stick in the mud like you, and you cant seem to comprehend that So you're saying people SHOULD care? Why? So they can get depressed and kill themselves over it? Nice going.
37627
« on: June 03, 2015, 06:32:03 PM »
do you just not understand the concept of sexuality at all both men and women are sexual i don't see your point
37628
« on: June 03, 2015, 06:30:20 PM »
do you think i'd be upset if all of a sudden, my brain was put into a woman's body?
and that's not fucking trivializing the issue--i'm just trying to put into perspective the extent to which i don't give a fuck about my gender identity
it's meaningless to me, and it BAFFLES me as to why it isn't meaningless to anyone else
why would someone care about something so goddamn unimportant
37629
« on: June 03, 2015, 06:27:50 PM »
I have above average intelligence (tested in school), didn't have any other condition, hadn't had any behavioral problems, and such, so I really didn't want to jump through all those hoops and talk to a psychologist to prove I was sane and suffered from gender dysphoria when I had already figured out what was wrong with me. So when I was 18 I started doing low level DIY hormone replacement after researching dosages, side effects, and the like.
IDK what else to tell you, besides gender roles have very little to do with my problems (and I don't really have a feminine personality, either).
the question i'm asking is, essentially, what would having a female form honestly do for your life because i can't see how it would add anything i don't want to pry, if this is getting too personal, by the way i just don't see any value in having a male body or a female body--there's nothing
37630
« on: June 03, 2015, 06:23:51 PM »
If someone is uncomfertable with the body they are in due to a mental disorder they are gonna feel that way regardless of society. I don't think so, sorry. If you were the last person on earth, you wouldn't give a flying fuck what you looked like.
37631
« on: June 03, 2015, 06:20:52 PM »
This is just bizarre, by the way.
You people are telling me that bullying transfolk isn't irrational.
And wanting it to stop is trivializing the issue.
...HUH?
37632
« on: June 03, 2015, 06:18:22 PM »
And if my simple solution (teach future generations that it's okay to have whatever body you have, as well as ending the majority of discrimination that exists) isn't good enough, I wanna hear some better ones. Good fucking luck.
37633
« on: June 03, 2015, 06:14:42 PM »
You have no idea what it's like to have a mental disorder do you. (exept the one that makes you want to kill everyboby) >is depressed Yeah, I do. Thanks. It has nothing to do with rationality. We teach people to give a fuck about their bodies. That's my argument. That's OUR fault as a society. My solution: Stop.That is a bad solution how.
37634
« on: June 03, 2015, 06:11:52 PM »
That's the thing verb, we can't understand. We have nothing to compare the experience to... except maybe an extreme body image/eating disorder, but even that's a stretch when you get down to it.
So what the fuck is wrong with my solution, then?
37635
« on: June 03, 2015, 06:10:33 PM »
Trivializing the issue doesn't really help. Who's trivializing it? I'm just saying, I don't get it. There's no part of my brain that says, "Oh, I understand why someone would care if they were born with the wrong body, because it matters SO MUCH that you have the 'right body'." I don't... I don't. I don't. I can't.
37636
« on: June 03, 2015, 06:08:05 PM »
Verb, it's a disorder for a reason. i'm just saying, if i had the disorder, i would be able to live with it it would be so easy for me to get over it
37637
« on: June 03, 2015, 06:07:08 PM »
Because I can't stop thinking about it. It's annoying and distracting and sometimes it gets in the way of everyday life. But I'm not saying I'm suicidal over it (I'm not) but I can see why it happens so often.
i'm sorry, but that doesn't really answer my question why can't you stop thinking about it--i need super super specifics in order to understand
37638
« on: June 03, 2015, 06:04:42 PM »
If I woke up tomorrow and realized I was born with the wrong body, I wouldn't care.
I wouldn't have an existential crisis. Because I know that it doesn't matter.
Just saying.
37639
« on: June 03, 2015, 06:03:15 PM »
You're plain wrong. The majority of my issues come from having a male-sexed body instead of a female one (not that I'm trying to speak for everyone, but...)
Teach people not to care.
37640
« on: June 03, 2015, 06:02:28 PM »
Teaching people not to have a mental disorder you're a moron if we taught people not to care, no one would get the disorder to begin with unless you're stupid enough to think it's congenital
37641
« on: June 03, 2015, 06:00:37 PM »
I mean, through the eyes of someone with Gender Dysmorphia, gender isn't the problem; that is already down-pat. The body is the issue. i guess i just don't see why someone would care so much about it to the level where they'd want to change their body why would it matter to anyone i'm not saying you shouldn't want to change your body if you do--but why kill yourself over it that's why i call it irrational
37642
« on: June 03, 2015, 05:56:38 PM »
Except it does. That's why a lot of them commit suicide.
Just stop. You don't have a leg to stand on here.
Except it doesn't. People commit suicide for irrational reasons all the time. Just stop. You don't have a leg to stand on here.
37643
« on: June 03, 2015, 05:56:01 PM »
Removing gender may make it easier, but it still doesn't remove the fact that women and men are biologically different, and this causes dysphoria because they feel they're stuck in the wrong body, transitioning makes this easier by making them match their preferred sex as closely as possible. Since it's not actually possible to change your sex, changing your gender is the closest that you can get. all i'm saying is that we should teach people not to care
37644
« on: June 03, 2015, 05:53:52 PM »
I think saying it's "nothing to worry about" is a bit unfair when you also acknowledge that it has social consequences, and our happiness depends largely on social integration
But I've only read the last page so maybe you covered this.
yes, you are indeed misconstruing my message i'm not glibly saying that there's nothing to worry about--i'm using that phrase in a broader context what i've been saying is that gender SHOULD NOT matter to anyonethereby meaning that there would be nothing to worry about objectively speaking, there already is nothing to worry about--people (the bullies) just choose to act like gender matters, because they're fucking stupid
37645
« on: June 03, 2015, 05:51:28 PM »
>this says the guy who seriously wants to blow up the universe you keep saying that, but i don't
37646
« on: June 03, 2015, 05:50:30 PM »
I'd like to throw out there that Gender Dysphoria is a subset of Body Dismorphic Disorder, a Somatoform/ Somatic Symptom Disorder. It's not as simple as eliminating the concept of gender; it's a problem of the brain not being able to reconcile what it perceives to be grave physical deformities. i honestly believe eliminating the concept of gender would indeed solve that problem--at least for the gender dysphoric for those who have some other strictly bodily form of BDD, that's obviously a different story
37647
« on: June 03, 2015, 05:47:27 PM »
They're in anguish because they think they're "in the wrong body. and why does it matter if they were? it doesn't
37648
« on: June 03, 2015, 05:42:51 PM »
Bro, Verb, dysphoria has so much to do with your physical body that eliminating any nuance of gender roles in society still wouldn't help it.
Didn't you ever talk to Soph about this?
not much, to be honest but i'm just saying, if we took away all our inhibitions about what it means to be a man and what it means to be a women, if we took away all bias, all prejudice, all discrimination, in what way would gender dysphoria matter? why would you be dysphoric about your gender if not for the social implications?
37649
« on: June 03, 2015, 05:37:09 PM »
my question was answered
your petty add-on wasn't needed
37650
« on: June 03, 2015, 05:35:28 PM »
Yeah, uh, gender dysphoria is actually something that exists i never said it didn't when i said it's "nothing", i meant it's nothing to worry aboutit can be the root of other mental problems (like depression). people don't get depressed because they were born the wrong gender they get depressed because either 1. they care too much about what other people think 2. people bully them that's why they kill themselves
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