New Zealand Mass Shooting

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This. I watch Felix's videos regularly; these are the only instances of him doing something like this. The "fucking nigger" comment is the last issue he had. He's an entertainer, he shit posts on Youtube for views and that's it, nothing more. Should he have responsibility for what people who are subscribed to him/watch his videos do? I think that's an incredibly unfair question considering entertainers such as Seth McFarland or Mel Brooks have been doing the same thing (and significantly more often than two small cases) for incredibly larger periods of time yet get a free pass. Every time there was an outrage involving them, it was largely silenced under the excuse of "it's just a joke bro" yet Felix isn't allowed that same excuse? What makes him different? Cause he's on Youtube and not TV/Hollywood?

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Context is key. He deleted/apologized for/claimed ignorance for most of those things. I'm not sure how people can genuinely think he's some nazi dogwhistle channel with this in mind. I don't watch Pewdiepie, but from what I've read from his fans, he never gets political aside from these cherrypicked slip ups.
TV and Hollywood are colluding with the Democrats. Pewdiepie thinks for himself and that is why he is not liked by the establishment.


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If I'm not here, I'm doing Photography. Or I'm asleep. Or hungover. One of those three, anyway.

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The algorithms got too good.

Now it links POP'S videos to what others who subbed to him watched, but probably doesn't recommend the videos/channels that you are already subbed to (because you've needs those clicks for ad revenue and retention - Watching Kurzgesagt doesn't recommend me VSAUCE because I already watch both regularly, and links me to some other shit).

Facebook has had the same issues, to the extreme that in their ad targeting for users, they had the category "jew hater" - can you imagine what those ads are like?

The Internet has done well to connect us to the world, but also those with questionable ideas to plug themselves in to other freaks who support them. Humans are social creatures, being isolated suggests that how you act or behave is repugnant and encourages you to either suppress it or hide it. Now with the Internet suggesting "Hey freak, come here and speak to these other guys who want a race war", the views become more palatable because you aren't alone in those thoughts anymore.

Take the Bungle off sites for a crazy example. Everyone came from Bungle, a mishmash of everything, and now of the 3 off sites I know of, there's 3 distinct "flavours", Tankie cultists, Progressives, and here as what I can only describe as loosely anarchic as there's all manner of crazy here from different sides of the spectrum. You stay in one of these long enough, you'll align to it more.

This is a sort of large side note. The shooting was awful, I like how NZ are handling it by censoring his face and name online (I've only seen his name once when it broke on the BBC, but I haven't been keeping track, while his face  from the video keeps popping up on 4chan threads on unrelated things...). Social media seems to be doing a decent job taking down the videos before they spread, but of course there's not much you can do to stop determined madmen from spreading their shit around and getting other nutters to watch it.
Last Edit: March 22, 2019, 08:00:48 AM by Leonard Kurtz


 
 
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I kinda forgot to respond so I'll just keep it pretty short.

Me condemning these right wing channels does not mean I don't feel the same way about those on the left. Even though I think it's probably not as dangerous on leftist channels like TYT, my point remains the same. Influencers definitely hold some ethical responsibility for the people they influence and they should take a stand against the proliferation of shitty and extreme attitudes amongst their following. I think I already made a pretty strong case as to why that is.

Batch his post also said that people who are looking at guns, influencers and online platforms are ignoring the problem. My response to him deliberately ignored the Clinton part because I agree that stuff like that is pointless but gave an explanation as to why it's perfectly reasonable to consider how those other things might be part of the problem. You must've misread if you think Batch only criticized the Clinton stuff and that I defended that as genuine solutions being sought.

Just to be clear: I'm not advocating that we just ban these channels. I'm simply calling for personal responsibility. If you're a content creator who makes hyper-partisan, biased and misleading videos with the aim of riling people up, deepening the divide and validating the prejudices of a group which you rely on financially while skirting around controversy and cooperating with more extreme people? So be it. But I'm just as free to call them out for being problematic asshats who play a major part in this post-truth and highly divided society where people absolutely are introduced to radical and extreme beliefs through their content, and that they should be ashamed of themselves for doing so little to combat it because they reap the benefits.

There's quite a few things here. Bannon talking about how content creators like Milo bring in people through things like Gamergate that are turned onto Trump and more radical politics. Former actual white supremacist leaders commenting on how they infiltrate these communities to recruit people. Very detailed overviews of the "alt right playbook" on how normalizing things like racism and sexism gets impressionable people down the rabbit hole. Stormfront leaders writing about how platforms like Reddit are convenient breeding grounds to radicalize people, and so on. To me, that's at least some decent evidence that these people really do target impressionable people who have just entered these communities.

And again, I don't particularly care about Pewdiepie. His name just came up because he was literally referenced by a man just before he massacred 50 innocent people, so I gave a pretty concrete example of what he could say to his community to distance himself from any radicalization. He won't, though, because he's well aware a significant portion of his followers wouldn't be happy with it.

All I'm saying is that these people should take some more personal responsibility - not that they are directly accountable for these kinds of attacks. That influencers like Tim Pool (who definitely has more than just some right wing sympathies in his content and puts out poorly informed and charged content) should take a good look at their own community and, perhaps, realize that they really do foster some vile and extreme views among their fanbase. That they do nothing to promote tolerance or open a fair dialogue where truth and understanding are the goal, but that they just validate people's prejudice, fan the flames and cater towards a community that's just itching for any ammunition to vilify and attack "the other". That their extremely one-sided, unbalanced and often misleading content (which usually values sticking to the narrative over accuracy and fairness) is part of a much larger problem to which they directly contribute, and that people are absolutely justified in calling them out over it. And that, like it or not, the term "influencer" really does mean that they actually influence thousands of people who - often uncritically - take their word on face value and absolutely do run with the sentiment behind their videos, and that their actions do matter.
Last Edit: March 24, 2019, 04:49:21 PM by Flee


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If you're a content creator who makes hyper-partisan, biased and misleading videos with the aim of riling people up, deepening the divide and validating the prejudices of a group which you rely on financially while skirting around controversy and cooperating with more extreme people? So be it. But I'm just as free to call them out for being problematic asshats who play a major part in this post-truth and highly divided society where people absolutely are introduced to radical and extreme beliefs through their content, and that they should be ashamed of themselves for doing so little to combat it because they reap the benefits.
Fair enough.

Thank you for the third article, that was a very enlightening read.


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Mueller report: Trump did not collude with the Russians. So again who are promoting false conspiracy theories?


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I mean, Pewdiepie has called someone a "fucking nigger", paid people to parade a "death to all jews" sign around, promoted a holocaust denier channel, created a super edgy community rife with racism and sexism that the man himself doesn't say a bad word about.

Who doesnt just have the word nigger slip out? Everyone does it,
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