New Zealand Mass Shooting

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So, by the time you guys get up itll be all over the news, 4 people arrested for shootings at 2 Mosques in Christchurch New Zealand causing 49 deaths.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.smh.com.au/world/oceania/forty-nine-killed-in-new-zealand-terror-attack-on-two-mosques-20190315-p514nn.html

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At least 49 people were killed in a terrorist attack at two mosques in Christchurch on the South Island of New Zealand, with one of the massacres live streamed on the Internet.

One of the shooters, who filmed the attack using a headcam, was Brenton Tarrant from Grafton in New South Wales. He described himself in a chilling 74-page manifesto as “just an ordinary white man, 28 years old”.

On Friday night, NZ Police Commissioner Mike Bush said the death toll had risen to 49.  One man, aged in his twenties was charged with murder and will face court on Saturday.


The vids are out there, /pol/ is absolutely ridiculous right now...Id avoid it. Pretty distressing stuff, considering how tight gun laws are there and here, the video showed him with a modified Shotgun, Pistol and an AR, how he got one is nuts...

So we're heading into some dark times, this will surely cause waves, in one form or another.

Lastly, the start of the video has the shooter say "and remember lads, subscribe to Pewdiepie". So itll be interesting to see how Felix deals with this, some pretty serious shit and the media will probably try to pin it on him and drag him through the shit, so I wont be surprised if his channels takes serious hits.

Anyway, just wish this world would stop being fucking crazy...stay safe guys.
Last Edit: March 15, 2019, 05:02:58 AM by Batch


 
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Yeah it's seriously fucked up shit

this guy deserves to hang, I rescind my beliefs on the death penalty


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Now it's a terrorist attack when it's reversed.


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Who paid you to look at this?
He deserves nothing less than the death penalty.


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Now it's a terrorist attack when it's reversed.
Well by definition its an act of terror, so anyone of any creed or religion that does this is considered a terrorist in my book


 
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Now it's a terrorist attack when it's reversed.
Well by definition its an act of terror, so anyone of any creed or religion that does this is considered a terrorist in my book
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Now it's a terrorist attack when it's reversed.
Well by definition its an act of terror, so anyone of any creed or religion that does this is considered a terrorist in my book
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Ah noted.


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this will surely cause waves, in one form or another.
This seems to have been his goal, so hopefully a majority of people won't fall for it, at least in regards to his "manifesto".


 
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whole thing was livestreamed to facebook, and circulated 8chan and reddit before anything could be done about it


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We live in a timeline where we can now watch a schizo maniac shoot up a mosque via a gopro who at the same time tells us to all subscribe to PewDiePie
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We live in a timeline where we can now watch a schizo maniac shoot up a mosque via a gopro who at the same time tells us to all subscribe to PewDiePie
I would clap if someone blew up the EU HQ.


 
 
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Pretty distressing stuff, considering how tight gun laws are there and here, the video showed him with a modified Shotgun, Pistol and an AR, how he got one is nuts...
If I'm not mistaken, gun laws in New Zealand are pretty loose compared to Australia. There's strong suspicion right now that the shooter deliberately moved to NZ for the attack because he'd have access to the guns he wanted there.


 
 
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We live in a timeline where we can now watch a schizo maniac shoot up a mosque via a gopro who at the same time tells us to all subscribe to PewDiePie
I would clap if someone blew up the EU HQ.
I know you're just a troll, but you're headed for a permaban with posts like this. Regardless of who the victim is or where the attack is aimed at, I'm not going to tolerate support for terrorist attacks on this forum. You can consider this a final warning.


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Pretty distressing stuff, considering how tight gun laws are there and here, the video showed him with a modified Shotgun, Pistol and an AR, how he got one is nuts...
If I'm not mistaken, gun laws in New Zealand are pretty loose compared to Australia. There's strong suspicion right now that the shooter deliberately moved to NZ for the attack because he'd have access to the guns he wanted there.
Id actually read this to after making this thread, people claiming its New Zealands equivalent to Port Arthur. A massacure in Australia where 35 people had to die before our gun laws got extra tight.

It seems semiautomatic rifles are permitted given they hold 7 rounds or less, in this case it seems the offender easily got his weapon legally and modified it.

(That's just speculation though, maybe he got it through the black market, we will soon see)
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Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
Obviously this was a horrible tragedy, and I can't even imagine how all the people affected are feeling right now.

Aside from that, however, something that really bothers me is that apparently this guy's ultimate goal was to exacerbate the division in the current culture war and create more division and hatred between the two sides. From what I've heard, his manifesto talked about working towards the balkanization of society, causing non-identitarians to begin taking sides with identitarian movements, ultimately leading to a race war.

Now people are pointing fingers at each other and using this tragedy as a tool to attack their political opposition (as they do with virtually any high-profile news event, terrorism or not), and they're giving the shooter the exact thing he wanted.
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Obviously this was a horrible tragedy, and I can't even imagine how all the people affected are feeling right now.

Aside from that, however, something that really bothers me is that apparently this guy's ultimate goal was to exacerbate the division in the current culture war and create more division and hatred between the two sides. From what I've heard, his manifesto talked about working towards the balkanization of society, causing non-identitarians to begin taking sides with identitarian movements, ultimately leading to a race war.

Now people are pointing fingers and each other and using this tragedy as a tool to attack their political opposition (as they do with virtually any high-profile news event, terrorism or not), and they're giving the shooter the exact thing he wanted.
Yeah theres idiots everywhere, from what Ive seen and I dont mean to be biased, is politicans, leftists and the media pointing fingers everywhere be it Guns, the white man, 4chan?, Pewdiepie or theres also a video floating around of some Twitter user confronting Chelsea Clinton letting her know that this is partly her fault or anyone mentioned in his manifesto, they arent inspiration,  theyre targets for the other side to attack.

So hes succeeded in his mission...they arent talking about the problem just everything else, to attack something else and blame someone else. Not about the lunatic or the families who lost a loved one.

Again the media will use this to oush their narrative...On the side of the right I honestly couldnt say Ive seen much beside 4chan which is widely overblown I imagine sheerly because of its anonymity.  But even if they arent saying it ironically its still worrying.  While I consider myself right I cant seem to point the finger at anyone else beside the person that did it.


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Obviously this was a horrible tragedy, and I can't even imagine how all the people affected are feeling right now.

Aside from that, however, something that really bothers me is that apparently this guy's ultimate goal was to exacerbate the division in the current culture war and create more division and hatred between the two sides. From what I've heard, his manifesto talked about working towards the balkanization of society, causing non-identitarians to begin taking sides with identitarian movements, ultimately leading to a race war.

Now people are pointing fingers and each other and using this tragedy as a tool to attack their political opposition (as they do with virtually any high-profile news event, terrorism or not), and they're giving the shooter the exact thing he wanted.
Yeah theres idiots everywhere, from what Ive seen and I dont mean to be biased, is politicans, leftists and the media pointing fingers everywhere be it Guns, the white man, 4chan?, Pewdiepie or theres also a video floating around of some Twitter user confronting Chelsea Clinton letting her know that this is partly her fault or anyone mentioned in his manifesto, they arent inspiration,  theyre targets for the other side to attack.

So hes succeeded in his mission...they arent talking about the problem just everything else, to attack something else and blame someone else. Not about the lunatic or the families who lost a loved one.

Again the media will use this to oush their narrative...On the side of the right I honestly couldnt say Ive seen much beside 4chan which is widely overblown I imagine sheerly because of its anonymity.  But even if they arent saying it ironically its still worrying.  While I consider myself right I cant seem to point the finger at anyone else beside the person that did it.
If they push for further gun legislations I tell them to fuck off.


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The angel agreed to trade a set of white wings for the head of another demon. Overjoyed, the demon killed one of his own and plucked the head right off its still-warm body.

The angel then led the demon to heaven, where he underwent centuries of the cruelest tortures imaginable. Finally, the pain was so great that he lost consciousness - at which point his dark wings turned the promised shade of white.
Media is already playing into his hand. BlUe CHecKmaRKs were already blaming Felix and and the likes for '''''radicalizing '''' people.

Im fascinated by these kinds of calculated psychos, though obviously i condone his actions. Even after getting arrested he flashed the OK sign which the media and brainlets take as the white power sign.


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Video of the bigoted politician who released that anti-Islam memo being egged.


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Media is already playing into his hand. BlUe CHecKmaRKs were already blaming Felix and and the likes for '''''radicalizing '''' people.

Im fascinated by these kinds of calculated psychos, though obviously i condone his actions. Even after getting arrested he flashed the OK sign which the media and brainlets take as the white power sign.
Doing everything he can to make memes and 'right wing' influences the cause of his attack, and typically theyre biting...

This is when the government tries to ban memes


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Video of the bigoted politician who released that anti-Islam memo being egged.
Then of course you see two fuckwits have the kid in a chokehold.


 
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We live in a timeline where we can now watch a schizo maniac shoot up a mosque via a gopro who at the same time tells us to all subscribe to PewDiePie
I would clap if someone blew up the EU HQ.
I know you're just a troll, but you're headed for a permaban with posts like this. Regardless of who the victim is or where the attack is aimed at, I'm not going to tolerate support for terrorist attacks on this forum. You can consider this a final warning.

Can't you already just do it though? What's the point if they're just going to tightrope the line between piece of shit who doesn't break the rules and dumbfuck who does?


 
 
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I get the sentiment, but neither of you are really proposing any alternatives. We can't just not explore and discuss the shooter's background or motivations and analyze what led to this happening because that's what he would've wanted. When something like this happens, we try to explain and understand it so we can prevent it from happening again. That's a normal and good thing that does require us to ask the difficult questions and at times even point fingers.

Of course, personal attacks are rarely called for but the shooter will succeed at his mission just the same if no one looks into the how and why while his manifesto gets spread around these hateful communities and the sick parts of the web. Our politics are little more than the manifestation of our values and the way we see society, and there's nothing wrong with people reacting to these events accordingly when they see flaws and problems.These events and the reasons behind them are usually very complicated. You say that the people are looking at gun laws, online influencers, forums breeding hate, subtle radicalization and such but are somehow missing the real problem? These things are very likely part of the problem and should be talked about.

You can't detach this massacre from how loose gun laws might have allowed him to get the weapons he needed to carry out the attack. It's likely that the shooter deliberately planned his attack in NZ because its permissive gun policy would allow him to get guns he couldn't get in Australia, so why should this not be part of the debate or solution?

You can't look at the recent rise of hate crimes in the West and think of it as unrelated to how some of our leaders advocate vigilantes getting tough against minorities which are mounting an "invasion" of our countries to bring in nothing but bad guys and rapists from shithole countries. Pushing such a hostile narrative that denounces these people as little more than enemies normalizes combative and aggressive attitudes, so why should that not be discussed or condemned?

You can't ignore how admins at Stormfront and people like Steve Bannon have repeatedly talked about how online influencers like Pewdiepie and the "alternative media", alt right / lite content creators and the farce that is the "intellectual dark web" of people like Tim Pool, Sargon, Peterson and that whole bunch are some of the best recruitment methods they have to draw people into rabbit holes that start with slanted and leading questions on serious topics, le epic gamer maymays and casual racist / xenophobic remarks. These people definitely play a part in normalizing conspiracies, mistrust and hostility against "the other", and they massively contribute to introducing impressionable people to an edgy counter-culture that is rife with hateful, misleading and harmful shit which pushes many towards more extreme and radical content (it's only a few easy clicks to get from Pewdiepie to his promoted channels which question the holocaust and rally against SJWs ruining everything to epic Shapiro owned compilations to Alex Jones talking about how liberals fake mass shootings to steal guns and protect brown people who rape our women). Why is this not something we can talk about as potentially part of this problem?

Instead, you dismiss this as people missing the point and just attacking each other when the "real problem" is that this was just a lunatic. A crazy man on a rampage. A problem that you might suggest we deal with just by improving our mental health care, without realizing that this man might be a loner who lives by himself, goes to his menial work and spends his free nights talking to likeminded people in the communities I just mentioned. He's not going to just go see a shrink - he doesn't think there's anything wrong with him. These thoughts he keeps having? They're justified, of course. Why can't he yell "nigger" at people? Damn SJWs, Sargon was right all along. These brown people on the street? Ugh, Trump's so right in saying this is an invasion we need to put an end to by radical means. What's the mental health system going to do for someone him? How many mentally ill people never even consider something like this? What's different about this guy?

People are very right in looking for solutions to these complicated problems. This wasn't just a mentally ill man. There's a lot that went into radicalizing him to this point. It's absolutely fair for people to question how laws, influencers, forums and narratives played a part in this massacre. And while that behavior can definitely cross a line, it's definitely not something you can dismiss as "look at the X, back at it again politicizing these things for their own narrative while ignoring what actually matters".


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I actually followed this story as it was developing.

Lots of good memes coming out of it.


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Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
What is bothering me is not that people are using this time to discuss issues. What is bothering me is that so many people are not discussing the issues with their opposition. They are receding further into their echo chambers, surrounding themselves with people that only agree with them, and arguing among themselves about how evil the other side is.

This is playing right into what the shooter wanted. It has been this way for a while and progressively it has gotten worse, but not even an event like this will make people take a step back and say, "maybe we shouldn't just continue to sow the seeds of division, especially when we're fulfilling a psychopathic terrorist's fantasy and doing exactly what he planned for us to do."

I'm not really looking to get into a discussion about how PewDiePie is a gateway to radicalization, right now. It's not something I believe at all, especially considering my perspective on what a "gateway" is. I look at what a person's core values and principles are and so long as it is obvious to me that they do not follow any particular ideology then I will not associate them with that ideology.
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What is bothering me is that so many people are not discussing the issues with their opposition.
Sure, but that's a lot easier said than done. How do you go about discussing this with the opposition? The way I see it, there's plenty of that happening already. I'm sure this gets brought up between friends, colleagues and family all the time. And because people make their opinions heard through social media or public gatherings, it gets picked up by their political representatives who then discuss it on their behalf in the government. The problem is that this is very difficult to do this with strangers online. Not that many people are interested in having those kinds of discussions since they all too often happen in bad faith or with huge biases. Good luck starting a debate with the opposition on forums, Twitter, Reddit, Facebook, Youtube... This is already some time ago and I don't really use Reddit anymore, but I got downvoted and blocked from posting because I posted a meta analysis of a myriad of studies finding positive impacts of gun control in response to someone saying that it's a proven fact that gun laws don't work in a sub about firearms. Having an honest talk with the opposition is a lot easier said than done.

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I look at what a person's core values and principles are and so long as it is obvious to me that they do not follow any particular ideology then I will not associate them with that ideology.
I mean, Pewdiepie has called someone a "fucking nigger", paid people to parade a "death to all jews" sign around, promoted a holocaust denier channel, created a super edgy community rife with racism and sexism that the man himself doesn't say a bad word about, follows Paul Joseph Watson from Infowars / Lauren Southern the alt right leader and proclaimed white supremacist / Stefan Molyneux the "white genocide" guy and many similar people, and a bunch of other stuff. Regardless of whether Pewdiepie himself subscribes to all these people's ideals, it seems pretty strange to deny that he fosters plenty of it and does little to nothing to discourage it.


 
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We live in a timeline where we can now watch a schizo maniac shoot up a mosque via a gopro who at the same time tells us to all subscribe to PewDiePie
I would clap if someone blew up the EU HQ.
I know you're just a troll, but you're headed for a permaban with posts like this. Regardless of who the victim is or where the attack is aimed at, I'm not going to tolerate support for terrorist attacks on this forum. You can consider this a final warning.

Can't you already just do it though? What's the point if they're just going to tightrope the line between piece of shit who doesn't break the rules and dumbfuck who does?
I'm not going to make that decision by myself. If enough people decide he's just a troll trying to bait people and offers no discussion value, then sure.