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The Flood / Re: Fucks sake like
« on: June 11, 2017, 04:16:26 PM »
dont understand why this toy is a meme/so popular/so hated

my little brother has one, literally just some kids toy

is this an autism thing

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The Flood / Re: Islamophobia is a good thing
« on: June 11, 2017, 04:15:05 PM »
because phobias are IRRATIONAL fears/hatreds

to irrationally hate muslims means to hate them regardless of whether they're moderate, peaceful, or violent
wrong

literally not true at all lmao, a phobia is literally just an aversion to something

example: water is lipophobic. Is the water being "irrational" lmao?

maybe think before you type

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The Flood / Islamophobia is a good thing
« on: June 11, 2017, 03:56:51 PM »
Islam is a religion of hate and oppression that has no place in this world - literally tens of times worse than christianity

why is "islamophobe" an insult? if you aren't against this fucked up "belief system", there's something wrong with you

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The Flood / Re: Craziest night of my fucking life (story time)
« on: June 11, 2017, 03:35:44 PM »
ok

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The Flood / Re: What do you think of me
« on: June 11, 2017, 05:51:26 AM »
lol we thought of the same thing in response to his post

it's true though, such a double standard

dev intent is only important sometimes I guess

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The Flood / Re: What do you think of me
« on: June 11, 2017, 05:50:16 AM »
when played offline, dark souls should have a pause featureβ€”yes or no

Spoiler
the correct answer is yes
nah

One of the components of Dark Souls is unavoidable danger (even within the locations of fires, if you haven't shaken the trail of your hazardous followera). The inability to pause meshes with that.
or you could just not pause if you really value that aspect

sometimes life happens, and i just have to go for a couple seconds, and the game shouldn't punish me for that
what about your obsession with developer intent

they obviously want you to treat it as an experience you set time aside for

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The Flood / Re: um wow bitch, excuse you
« on: June 11, 2017, 05:40:29 AM »
this looks so gay.
Try watching it on your head then, because clearly your perception is upside down.

pretty sure this shit is gay.
No, but you will be after falling in love with Agent Cooper.


literally the best person

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The Flood / Re: What do you think of me
« on: June 11, 2017, 04:18:49 AM »
pc gaming is for rich people

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The Flood / Re: What do you think of me
« on: June 11, 2017, 04:18:00 AM »
tfw a thread about yourself has devolved into a thread about the semantics of discrimination
would you rather become a militant vegan or a third wave feminist
this question has a right and wrong answer

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The Flood / Re: What do you think of me
« on: June 11, 2017, 04:13:13 AM »
then fucking clarify it

"reverse racism" doesn't.
yes it does
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Reverse from fucking what?
the conventionally understood definition of racism which has come about from the historical mistreatment of minority races by white people

not just black people, but asians and native americans and everyone else

when people hear racist, they think of that

it's not my fault
And they're wrong. Don't be wrong too.

I was wrong for thinking chauvinism was a male-focused word, that doesn't mean you need to accommodate that misconception

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The Flood / Re: What do you think of me
« on: June 11, 2017, 04:11:50 AM »
tfw a thread about yourself has devolved into a thread about the semantics of discrimination
kk back on topic

what's your favorite form of discrimination

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The Flood / Re: What do you think of me
« on: June 11, 2017, 04:11:04 AM »
in the case of chauvinist, MOST PEOPLE (even you, just now) automatically assume that the word has this strict definition, so in order to convey a different meaning, i'm forced to use a stupid word like "reverse" to get my point across
Even in that case, "chauvinism toward women" is a far better phrase than "reverse chauvinism"

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The Flood / Re: What do you think of me
« on: June 11, 2017, 04:09:55 AM »
literally implies that "normal racism" can only be against black people
it actually doesn't at all

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why not use the extra syllables in order to not be a bigot? Language is all about efficiency, and less syllables doesn't mean more efficient. You lose meaning and clarity.
the history around the word "racist" is such that the implications of white racism are nearly inseparable from the word itself, unless you clarify that white people are the ones being prejudiced against

this concept is difficult not
then fucking clarify it

"reverse racism" doesn't. Reverse from fucking what? Normal racism? In that case, you're saying that the opposite of "reverse racism" (racism against whites) is "normal racism" (racism against blacks)

use the extra fucking syllable and say "racism against whites"

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The Flood / Re: What do you think of me
« on: June 11, 2017, 04:05:11 AM »
(that literally argument for double standards was ridiculous)
what
I believe Class is referring to the discussing on women being held to a higher standard, where Class argued that women should be held to the same standard as man less it be unfair to women.
oh you mean the "discussion" where i was purposely being a foil to his own reverse chauvinism
"Reverse chauvinism"? Eh, I agree to the assertion that all people should be held to the same standard, regardless of race of sex.
there's a reason we use the word "reverse" in these contexts

if you wanted to convey that someone was being racist against white people, how would you put it

you could just say "racist" and you wouldn't be wrong, but that doesn't necessarily get the message across

"reverse racism" is three syllables less than "racism against white people," and it conveys the same message, and only pedants would dick around over the semantics or implications of it imo
or, you know, intelligent people? It's not semantics, but you're right with the implications part

literally implies that "normal racism" can only be against black people

why not use the extra syllables in order to not be a bigot? Language is all about efficiency, and less syllables doesn't mean more efficient. You lose meaning and clarity.

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The Flood / Re: What do you think of me
« on: June 11, 2017, 04:02:51 AM »


oh I guess I never knew what this word meant until now

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The Flood / when you can't find any hookups or your piece
« on: June 11, 2017, 04:00:30 AM »


send me free shit septagon

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The Flood / Re: What do you think of me
« on: June 11, 2017, 03:57:18 AM »
reverse chauvinism
this phrase makes zero sense

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The Flood / Re: What do you think of me
« on: June 11, 2017, 03:56:47 AM »
analyzing a movie means recognizing it's not real
i think recognizing that movies aren't real just means that i'm mentally healthy, frankly

frank underwoodly
mentally healthy people don't appreciate media like me

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The Flood / Re: What do you think of me
« on: June 11, 2017, 03:53:14 AM »
true immersion can never be reached
Even if that were true, it doesn't matter. The purpose of every story is to strive to reach true immersion. If yours doesn't, it means you have no integrity in your universe, either because of apathy or corruption.
the purpose of every story is to send a message, actually
That's the immediate purpose - and only of some stories. The immediate purpose of something like The Naked Gun is to make you laugh. The immediate purpose of The Notebook is to make you cry. What all of these have in common, though, is the strife towards full immersion. You can't make someone laugh if you don't believe in what you're writing, and the only way to believe in that storywriting is by believing in the universe you're trying to create.
which is STILL not impossible to do while taking a more formalist, analytical approach to the experience

maybe try it some time and you'll see
analyzing a movie means recognizing it's not real, which you shouldn't fucking do

really all that needs to be said

you might never be able to attain that true immersion, but you should still try to

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The Flood / Re: What do you think of me
« on: June 11, 2017, 03:46:13 AM »
carson wants one over me so bad omg
haha as if

I'm more trying to explain this to you, you're constantly so stubborn about nearly anything (that literally argument for double standards was ridiculous) and I'm putting my foot down

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The Flood / Re: What do you think of me
« on: June 11, 2017, 03:44:57 AM »
true immersion can never be reached
Even if that were true, it doesn't matter. The purpose of every story is to strive to reach true immersion. If yours doesn't, it means you have no integrity in your universe, either because of apathy or corruption.
the purpose of every story is to send a message, actually
That's the immediate purpose - and only of some stories. The immediate purpose of something like The Naked Gun is to make you laugh. The immediate purpose of The Notebook is to make you cry. What all of these have in common, though, is the strife towards full immersion. You can't make someone laugh if you don't believe in what you're writing, and the only way to believe in that storywriting is by believing in the universe you're trying to create.

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The Flood / Re: What do you think of me
« on: June 11, 2017, 03:37:54 AM »
true immersion can never be reached
Even if that were true, it doesn't matter. The purpose of every story is to strive to reach true immersion. If yours doesn't, it means you have no integrity in your universe, either because of apathy or corruption.

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The Flood / Re: What do you think of me
« on: June 11, 2017, 03:33:59 AM »
Literally look at the purpose of a story from the most basic, caveman standpoint.
why in god's name would i do that
Because I'm arguing what the point of every story is. The meta aspects are a perversion of the inherent purpose of the story (total immersion), just like a lie is a perversion of the inherent purpose of language (communicating thoughts).

I can't do that unless I reference a time before that perversion existed.
i can be totally immersed in a film and still be analyzing the technical aspects

sucks that you can't i guess
No you can't. If you can analyze the film, that means you're admitting it isn't real.
immersion is not "this is real"β€”that's total immersion, which is physically impossible, and something you wouldn't want to experience anyway

immersion is "this asymptotically approaches real, but i know in the back of my mind that it's not real"
Wrong. That's partial immersion. True immersion is "this is real" (which is far from impossible), you're just incorrect lol. Not much sense trying to explain the meaning of storytelling to you if you have such a flaw in your base-level thinking.

And even if it was impossible, that doesn't matter. This is about what a story strives to do.

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The Flood / Re: What do you think of me
« on: June 11, 2017, 03:29:39 AM »
Literally look at the purpose of a story from the most basic, caveman standpoint.
why in god's name would i do that
Because I'm arguing what the point of every story is. The meta aspects are a perversion of the inherent purpose of the story (total immersion), just like a lie is a perversion of the inherent purpose of language (communicating thoughts).

I can't do that unless I reference a time before that perversion existed.
i can be totally immersed in a film and still be analyzing the technical aspects

sucks that you can't i guess
No you can't. If you can analyze the film, that means you're admitting it isn't real.

That's not total immersion.

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The Flood / Re: What do you think of me
« on: June 11, 2017, 03:22:21 AM »
Literally look at the purpose of a story from the most basic, caveman standpoint.
why in god's name would i do that
Because I'm arguing what the point of every story is. The meta aspects are a perversion of the inherent purpose of the story (total immersion), just like a lie is a perversion of the inherent purpose of language (communicating thoughts).

I can't do that unless I reference a time before that perversion existed.

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The Flood / Re: What do you think of me
« on: June 11, 2017, 03:18:57 AM »
archer is dogshit
I mean, a lot of the humor is derived from the fact that Archer is a terrible person

It's a "laugh at him, not with him" situation. H. Jon Benjamin is one of my favorite VAs tho.
even if i liked the show's humor, the art style is headachingly ugly

i feel the same way about rick and morty
I actually like Archer's art style

I do agree with Rick and Morty tho, and the longer it takes for them to start S3, the more I realize the show is pretty shitty.
this is the first negative post i've seen about the show, ever

thank you
R&M has a shitty art style and is bogged down by Justin Roiland but you forget that Dan Harmon exists

that's why the show is good

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The Flood / Re: ITT: Sports that you can actually watch
« on: June 11, 2017, 03:17:36 AM »
Most? They're just a bit boring. It's like watching someone play an old 80s video game. I like narratives.

The most entertaining is probably football though

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The Flood / Re: What do you think of me
« on: June 11, 2017, 03:14:44 AM »
What did everyone think of 13 reasons why?
Retarded concept executed in a retarded way

You can't have a show based around a dead girl with a victim complex

I mean, you can - it just sucks

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The Flood / Re: What do you think of me
« on: June 11, 2017, 03:12:22 AM »
Maybe, but that's not something you recognize when you view the film. There are no actors. Harrison Ford isn't in a studio running from a prop, Indiana Jones is desperately sprinting away from a giant boulder that's about to crush him. The actor doesn't exist, and neither do any meta aspects like film quality or writing mechanics. It might be enjoyable to list off the tropes you can see, but it detracts from the nature of a story itself, not to mention viewing pleasure.
so i mulled this post over and i've determined that absolutely none of this is true
It feels so nice being right.

Literally look at the purpose of a story from the most basic, caveman standpoint. Whether the immediate intention is to make the audience laugh, cry, gasp, whatever - the larger intention is to draw the audience into the universe of the story. Otherwise, there's literally no point in even telling it. Things like reviews, the recognition of common tropes, and any other meta stuff like that came long after, and were the result of the audience trying to gain greater appreciation of stories. But ironically, all of those meta aspects just take you out of the immersion you're supposed to feel as you view or listen.

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The Flood / Re: What do you think of me
« on: June 11, 2017, 03:07:21 AM »
archer is dogshit
It's just like that old gypsy lady said!

Spoiler
seriously though it's like you go out of your way to have backwards tastes

archer is dogshit
I mean, a lot of the humor is derived from the fact that Archer is a terrible person

It's a "laugh at him, not with him" situation. H. Jon Benjamin is one of my favorite VAs tho.
For me, most of the humor is just in the really sharp writing and characterizations. The episodes that hold true to that (like Skytanic, literally my favorite) are the ones I love, but there are some episodes, really prevalent in vice, where the humor is just shock/risqueness.

I love the thing they do where someone will ask a question as a scene ends, and then the question will be answered coincidentally in the beginning of the next scene. Hard to word it, but you know what I mean

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