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28141
« on: September 15, 2014, 01:05:41 PM »
Probably dumb, but I always pronounce it "sep-seven-agon".
28142
« on: September 15, 2014, 04:56:11 AM »
Look up Sarah Chalke and thank me later. 
28143
« on: September 14, 2014, 11:01:24 PM »
Jeez, that's rough. I have a chocolate lab that's 7 now, can't imagine putting him down. My thoughts are going out to you, man.
28144
« on: September 14, 2014, 10:51:54 PM »
On a side note, I can't believe you posted this picture of yourself on plug.dj last night. It's like you want us to bully you.
28145
« on: September 14, 2014, 10:48:54 PM »
I straight up have no idea what that stands for, and I know quite a few acronyms...
EDIT: Oh. lolz. Yeah... I was actually half-thinking about changing the banned text (the red, italicized style) to display that message instead of the standard "This user has been blacklisted..."
lol do it
28146
« on: September 14, 2014, 08:53:31 PM »
people who go around spouting their political opinions as if they hold the universal truths are the biggest idiots of them all.
Oh, the irony.
28147
« on: September 14, 2014, 08:52:58 PM »
How'd you come up with your username?
28148
« on: September 14, 2014, 08:29:13 PM »
The death penalty is never justified. I don't care if we captured Hitler, there's never an excuse for government-mandated murder.
Rehab is a giant waste of money. The public shouldn't have to pay for a prisoner to live. Especially the state they get to live in. Nowadays prisoners live in pretty damn good conditions.
I'd rather waste all of our money than have our government be one step closer to complete immorality. I do agree that prisons are way too cushy, though. Give prisoners a dirt floor, bread three times a day, and water. And make them work for that.
28149
« on: September 14, 2014, 08:20:51 PM »
The death penalty is never justified. I don't care if we captured Hitler, there's never an excuse for government-mandated murder.
Say Hitler was captured.
Should taxpayers should have to pay for Hitler to be locked up for the rest of his lifetime?
Yes. Though prisoners in general shouldn't just sit around all day, they should be forced to work for their free room and board.
28150
« on: September 14, 2014, 08:17:00 PM »
Incest? Check
Essentially paying for sex? Check
Yep, pretty damn immoral.
Neither incest nor prostitution is immoral.
28151
« on: September 14, 2014, 08:14:50 PM »
The death penalty is never justified. I don't care if we captured Hitler, there's never an excuse for government-mandated murder.
28152
« on: September 14, 2014, 07:49:00 PM »
Not at all. Morality is just the emotional rules governing the relationship between sapient creatures. The thing you described isn't sapient at all.
28153
« on: September 14, 2014, 07:42:08 PM »
Right, and that's exactly why you respond the way you do.
Like the way you misgendered Noelle in plug.dj and other places. Totally not trying to stir up anger, right?
Don't make me start quoting things from this thread.
I call Noel "he" because I don't recognize transgenderism as a legitimate change of gender. Not trying to stir up anything, just standing by my beliefs.
Misgendering and knowingly using the wrong name is purposely stirring up trouble.
Hey, basic human respect anybody?
If I said that I believed I was a bear at heart, and demanded you call me "it", and that my new name was "Rrrragh", would you do that? Same exact thing.
I don't see why not. It's the internet, after all. Who the fuck cares?
Generally "it" is a bit offensive though, so I might use "they" instead.
No matter how hard I try, I can not bring myself to refer to an individual with a plural pronoun.
I've since found it much simpler to just not use pronouns for trans people at all, even if it looks a tad unnatural. Nobody gets offended and my inner grammar nazi is satisfied.
Actually the original definition of they/them/their was both singular and plural. It wasn't until recently that it was changed. Plus, say there's a mystery person whose gender you're unaware of. How would most people talk about them?
"the mysterious stranger said they were coming for a visit"
I would just use "he" in a situation like that.
28154
« on: September 14, 2014, 07:26:49 PM »
Right, and that's exactly why you respond the way you do.
Like the way you misgendered Noelle in plug.dj and other places. Totally not trying to stir up anger, right?
Don't make me start quoting things from this thread.
I call Noel "he" because I don't recognize transgenderism as a legitimate change of gender. Not trying to stir up anything, just standing by my beliefs.
Misgendering and knowingly using the wrong name is purposely stirring up trouble.
Hey, basic human respect anybody?
If I said that I believed I was a bear at heart, and demanded you call me "it", and that my new name was "Rrrragh", would you do that? Same exact thing.
28155
« on: September 14, 2014, 07:21:28 PM »
Right, and that's exactly why you respond the way you do.
Like the way you misgendered Noelle in plug.dj and other places. Totally not trying to stir up anger, right?
Don't make me start quoting things from this thread.
I call Noel "he" because I don't recognize transgenderism as a legitimate change of gender. Not trying to stir up anything, just standing by my beliefs.
28156
« on: September 14, 2014, 07:05:05 PM »
You know very well what you were trying to start here.
Calm down, man. Not every controversial OP is an attempt to stir up anger. There's a Serious board for a reason, so people can actually talk about sensitive topics like this.
28157
« on: September 14, 2014, 06:51:16 PM »
I may be wrong, but I thought "transgender" referred to people who changed their sex. See, to me, that doesn't make any sense.
A change of sex should be called transexual. Which it is.
Again, semantics. We both know what we're talking about, so why do you keep whining about the exact word used?
28158
« on: September 14, 2014, 06:48:42 PM »
One more question.
Does transgenderism cause dysphoria, or does dysphoria cause transgenderism?
I may be wrong, but I thought "transgender" referred to people who changed their sex. So the dysphoria (thinking that you're a different sex to begin with) would lead to the transgenderism.
Transgenderism is merely the identification with a gender not consistent with one's assigned sex.
So transgenderism is gender dysphoria, with that definition.
28159
« on: September 14, 2014, 06:47:32 PM »
Life = existence. Being careless with the sanctity of life means being careless with a person's very being. Therefore, I put a lot of value in it.
28160
« on: September 14, 2014, 06:44:24 PM »
One more question.
Does transgenderism cause dysphoria, or does dysphoria cause transgenderism?
I may be wrong, but I thought "transgender" referred to people who changed their sex. So the dysphoria (thinking that you're a different sex to begin with) would lead to the transgenderism.
28161
« on: September 14, 2014, 06:13:36 PM »
So then what about people that walk around in tattoos or piercings? Some people think it's wrong and disgusting, and they're clearly showing that off to the public. Soooo terrible.
That's not even on remotely the same level as the way herms look.
28162
« on: September 14, 2014, 06:06:38 PM »
For the former, because living like that is disgusting and no one will ever take you seriously.
So just because there's some bigots out there like you clearly no one is ever going to take them seriously. Right. Because your opinion of what is disgusting and what is not is totally relevant. I think your foot fetish is disgusting, but does that have any relevance?
You're using the word "bigot" wrong again. And the thing is, I don't have a giant sticker on my forehead that says "I HAVE A FOOT FETISH". Herms make it obvious that they're holding the lock and the key, just from people seeing their face. They're producing both hormones, so they look like a man and a woman, which is disgusting and weird. Again, this is an argument of should, not have to.
28163
« on: September 14, 2014, 06:03:33 PM »
lol, I love the Nostalgia Critic.
28164
« on: September 14, 2014, 06:01:52 PM »
Not really for my own convenience, more for the sake of objective truth. The discrepancies between mental and physical masculinity/femininity, being the main topic of discussion, are differentiated easily by referring to the mental as "gender" and the physical as "sex". Why would you purposely make discussion more difficult by arbitrarily creating a line of equivalence between the two words? As if the English language is the ultimate, infallible dictator of all meaning in the universe. As if words have never had their definitions changed drastically in the past.
Now you're talking about gender roles, which aren't the same thing as gender itself.
28165
« on: September 14, 2014, 06:00:38 PM »
The thing is, I'm totally with you on this argument, but to say that "gender" isn't a mere contrivance and is the same thing as sex is a sign of intellectual bankruptcy. How can we discuss this if you're going to just bend words to your own will?
Whatever, now we're just arguing semantics. We're deviating from the original question, to which the answer is yes. Gender dysphoria. the reason people are transgenders, is a certified mental disorder. That's what people seem to be ignoring.
I'd argue you're confusing causality. Transgenderism causes the dysphoria.
Transgenderism is when you change your sex. The desire to change your sex is a result of the dysphoria.
28166
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:59:50 PM »
Tell that to people who are born intersex.
People who are actually born intersex have a whole different ballpark. They're one of the few kinds of people that can actually choose what sex they'd like to be.
>implying they have to choose just to make society happy
Are you implying that intersex people should actually live their lives that way...? Please tell me you're not serious.
They should live whatever fucking way they want because it doesn't affect anyone else in any way. Get a fucking grip and stop trying to police other people's lives. It's literally the same argument for homosexuality. Does it affect you in any personal way? No? Get the fuck over it. Not your life and not for you to decide.
When did I say that herms should be forced to choose? Look back, that never happened. If they want to live their whole lives being freaks of nature, that's their prerogative. Same with transgenders. They have every right to change their sex, it's their body. I'm saying that herms should choose and transgenders shouldn't change their sex. Why? For the former, because living like that is disgusting and no one will ever take you seriously. And for the latter, because you shouldn't be enabling a mental disorder, you should be getting help.
28167
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:56:43 PM »
The thing is, I'm totally with you on this argument, but to say that "gender" isn't a mere contrivance and is the same thing as sex is a sign of intellectual bankruptcy. How can we discuss this if you're going to just bend words to your own will?
Whatever, now we're just arguing semantics. We're deviating from the original question, to which the answer is yes. Gender dysphoria, the reason people are transgenders, is a certified mental disorder. That's what people seem to be ignoring.
28168
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:54:39 PM »
Except it's not a fake concept. Take off your pants and look down. Do you have a penis or a vagina? That, and that alone, determines what your gender is. What you're doing right now, basically, is arbitrarily merging two concepts for your own convenience, which is petty and willfully ignorant.
Not really for my own convenience, more for the sake of objective truth.
28169
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:52:52 PM »
No, sex and gender are synonyms. What you'd be better of saying is this:
Gender is a fake concept. A social construct. A contrivance. Something that we made exist simply by perceptual fiat. Kinda like the "value" of gold, or our perception of who we areβit is a mark of who we are in our minds.
Except it's not a fake concept. Take off your pants and look down. Do you have a penis or a vagina? That, and that alone, determines what your gender is.
28170
« on: September 14, 2014, 05:49:28 PM »
Tell that to people who are born intersex.
People who are actually born intersex have a whole different ballpark. They're one of the few kinds of people that can actually choose what sex they'd like to be.
>implying they have to choose just to make society happy
Are you implying that intersex people should actually live their lives that way...? Please tell me you're not serious.
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