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24451
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:59:42 PM »
Your argument could have benefited without that addition, it really doesn't help put your stance in a positive or non-bigoted light of the subject.
It's important to note, as it does actually affect others.
24452
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:56:10 PM »
I don't want diseased people to be able to walk around, untreated, living their life as a delusion. The second, more vain reason, is that TGs are just repulsive. I should be able to walk up to the store without feeling the need to lose my lunch every time I see a tranny.
Ladies and gentlemen, the definition of transphobia.
I love how you ignore my main reason and immediately jump to the admittedly more trivial one.
24453
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:52:07 PM »
If SecondClass had to pick between being born transgendered or born with harlequin ichthyosis, which would he choose? Or would they both be equally horrible? What the fuck? Obviously transgender, I just wouldn't be an idiot and try to embrace my disease, I'd get it cured.
Don't act all offended; it was more of a rhetorical question. Obviously you would rather be transgendered. Point being, how do you quantify how "bad" a defect is? I'm not even arguing with you, I'm just gathering information right now. I'd like to try to understand the perspective of what I consider to be... toxic bigotry.
The more it affects you, the worse it is. Transgenderism's eventual result (if followed through completely) is the surgical changing of your sex. That's pretty affecting.
Actually, it isn't, but you wouldn't know that.
Many trans people opt to not have the surgery.
Like I said in the other thread, I have nothing but respect for TGs who don't feed the delusion and get a gender change. If they're actually trying to help themselves, they're dealing with their condition correctly.
Don't lie. You literally have no respect for any trans people considering how you've been posting about them.
I'm not lying. You're born the way you're born. Whether you're black, gay, autistic, or transgender, you can't help what cards you're dealt. What you can do is work to better yourself. And submitting to your mental disorder isn't bettering yourself, it's making the situation worse. If you're unlucky enough to be born as a TG, I have nothing but sympathy for you until you decide to be an idiot and worsen your condition.
Nobody wants your sympathy trust me.
Why are you in Serious? Are you here to have a discussion or make fun of me?
24454
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:50:39 PM »
Like I said in the other thread, I have nothing but respect for TGs who don't feed the delusion and get a gender change. If they're actually trying to help themselves, they're dealing with their condition correctly. What if they ignore it entirely? They're not getting surgery or trying to "heal" it.
As long as you're not embracing the disease (cross-dressing, gender reassignment, referring to yourself as "her"), then you're not being an idiot about it.
24455
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:48:42 PM »
If SecondClass had to pick between being born transgendered or born with harlequin ichthyosis, which would he choose? Or would they both be equally horrible? What the fuck? Obviously transgender, I just wouldn't be an idiot and try to embrace my disease, I'd get it cured.
Don't act all offended; it was more of a rhetorical question. Obviously you would rather be transgendered. Point being, how do you quantify how "bad" a defect is? I'm not even arguing with you, I'm just gathering information right now. I'd like to try to understand the perspective of what I consider to be... toxic bigotry.
The more it affects you, the worse it is. Transgenderism's eventual result (if followed through completely) is the surgical changing of your sex. That's pretty affecting.
Actually, it isn't, but you wouldn't know that.
Many trans people opt to not have the surgery.
Like I said in the other thread, I have nothing but respect for TGs who don't feed the delusion and get a gender change. If they're actually trying to help themselves, they're dealing with their condition correctly.
Don't lie. You literally have no respect for any trans people considering how you've been posting about them.
I'm not lying. You're born the way you're born. Whether you're black, gay, autistic, or transgender, you can't help what cards you're dealt. What you can do is work to better yourself. And submitting to your mental disorder isn't bettering yourself, it's making the situation worse. If you're unlucky enough to be born as a TG, I have nothing but sympathy for you until you decide to be an idiot and worsen your condition.
24456
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:46:21 PM »
irony.
I love how half this site doesn't know how to use that word correctly.
24457
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:44:51 PM »
If SecondClass had to pick between being born transgendered or born with harlequin ichthyosis, which would he choose? Or would they both be equally horrible? What the fuck? Obviously transgender, I just wouldn't be an idiot and try to embrace my disease, I'd get it cured.
Don't act all offended; it was more of a rhetorical question. Obviously you would rather be transgendered. Point being, how do you quantify how "bad" a defect is? I'm not even arguing with you, I'm just gathering information right now. I'd like to try to understand the perspective of what I consider to be... toxic bigotry.
The more it affects you, the worse it is. Transgenderism's eventual result (if followed through completely) is the surgical changing of your sex. That's pretty affecting.
Actually, it isn't, but you wouldn't know that.
Many trans people opt to not have the surgery.
Like I said in the other thread, I have nothing but respect for TGs who don't feed the delusion and get a gender change. If they're actually trying to help themselves, they're dealing with their condition correctly.
24458
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:43:50 PM »
It's really obvious who does and does not understand transgenderism and related trans issues.
If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally a good idea not to debate about it.
This isn't a debate, it's a discussion. Transgenders who embrace the disorder are sick. They have no place in a civilized society.
And how does someone being transgender negatively affect anybody else?
Something doesn't have to affect others to be sick or idiotic. Transgenders have a disorder, simple as that, and it should be treated, not embraced.
If it doesn't affect you in any way, why do you care? What possible purpose would it serve other than wasting society's time?
You can keep posting childish pictures all you want, but it doesn't help your argument. And why do I care? The main reason is that I'm a somewhat ethical person. I don't want diseased people to be able to walk around, untreated, living their life as a delusion. The second, more vain reason, is that TGs are just repulsive. I should be able to walk up to the store without feeling the need to lose my lunch every time I see a tranny.
24459
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:41:14 PM »
If SecondClass had to pick between being born transgendered or born with harlequin ichthyosis, which would he choose? Or would they both be equally horrible? What the fuck? Obviously transgender, I just wouldn't be an idiot and try to embrace my disease, I'd get it cured.
Don't act all offended; it was more of a rhetorical question. Obviously you would rather be transgendered. Point being, how do you quantify how "bad" a defect is? I'm not even arguing with you, I'm just gathering information right now. I'd like to try to understand the perspective of what I consider to be... toxic bigotry.
The more it affects you, the worse it is. Transgenderism's eventual result (if followed through completely) is the surgical changing of your sex. That's pretty affecting.
24460
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:38:36 PM »
It's really obvious who does and does not understand transgenderism and related trans issues.
If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally a good idea not to debate about it.
This isn't a debate, it's a discussion. Transgenders who embrace the disorder are sick. They have no place in a civilized society.
And how does someone being transgender negatively affect anybody else?
Something doesn't have to affect others to be sick or idiotic. Transgenders have a disorder, simple as that, and it should be treated, not embraced.
24461
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:37:34 PM »
If SecondClass had to pick between being born transgendered or born with harlequin ichthyosis, which would he choose? Or would they both be equally horrible?
What the fuck? Obviously transgender, I just wouldn't be an idiot and try to embrace my disease, I'd get it cured.
24462
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:36:14 PM »
I guess it would be redundant to remind you that God doesn't exist.
24463
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:33:21 PM »
It's really obvious who does and does not understand transgenderism and related trans issues.
If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally a good idea not to debate about it.
This isn't a debate, it's a discussion. Transgenders who embrace the disorder are sick. They have no place in a civilized society.
24464
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:32:31 PM »
It's just immoral.
I'm not going to get into a debate with you but you have a strange definition of morality.
I'd consider it pretty immoral to let a sufferer of a disease believe that he's healthy instead of actually trying to help him.
Alright alright fine.
What exactly is unhealthy about it if they're normal functioning people that blend in to normal society and are happy?
They're living a lie. They're pretending to be something they're not. If someone truly believed that they were King Richard III, would you encourage him to live out that life? Or would you recommend him a therapist? Probably the latter.
But there's a difference between thinking you're an already existing person and living as the opposite sex, isn't there? Seems like a silly comparison, especially considering how in utero we all had a 50/50 chance of ending up either male to female. Or...on the off chance, something different.
i.e. XXX, X, XXY, XYY, etc
Because you know, they exist.
Not only that, but it's medically proven that in rare cases there is the possibility of mind and body from a gender standpoint being out of alignment because they form separately and on rare occasions during fetal development receive different amounts of sex hormones.
It's rare but it's a natural occurrence. Call it a defect or whatever, but these people aren't diseased or delusional.
If you're born as a man, that's what you are. No matter how much you whine about it on the Internet, you will never be a woman. And if you go to the lengths to get reassignment surgery, you're still not a woman. You're an idiot who tried to fuck with nature and change what can't be changed. It's disgusting, inhumane, and generally unpleasant. Of course, you should be able to do whatever the hell you want with your body, but that doesn't make it smart to do so.
Come on, you're not even trying.
Trying to do what? Express my opinion? I'm sorry for believing that you are what you are, and that feeding delusions is bad. I don't care what nonsense you've heard, a TG woman is not an actual woman.
You didn't even try to debunk anything I said, which is what I'm trying to say.
You didn't really say anything. I know that there's different types of birth defects, but most TGs do see themselves as the opposite sex. Or, at least, they strive to be. Both of which are equally bad.
24465
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:28:10 PM »
It's just immoral.
I'm not going to get into a debate with you but you have a strange definition of morality.
I'd consider it pretty immoral to let a sufferer of a disease believe that he's healthy instead of actually trying to help him.
Alright alright fine.
What exactly is unhealthy about it if they're normal functioning people that blend in to normal society and are happy?
They're living a lie. They're pretending to be something they're not. If someone truly believed that they were King Richard III, would you encourage him to live out that life? Or would you recommend him a therapist? Probably the latter.
But there's a difference between thinking you're an already existing person and living as the opposite sex, isn't there? Seems like a silly comparison, especially considering how in utero we all had a 50/50 chance of ending up either male to female. Or...on the off chance, something different.
i.e. XXX, X, XXY, XYY, etc
Because you know, they exist.
Not only that, but it's medically proven that in rare cases there is the possibility of mind and body from a gender standpoint being out of alignment because they form separately and on rare occasions during fetal development receive different amounts of sex hormones.
It's rare but it's a natural occurrence. Call it a defect or whatever, but these people aren't diseased or delusional.
If you're born as a man, that's what you are. No matter how much you whine about it on the Internet, you will never be a woman. And if you go to the lengths to get reassignment surgery, you're still not a woman. You're an idiot who tried to fuck with nature and change what can't be changed. It's disgusting, inhumane, and generally unpleasant. Of course, you should be able to do whatever the hell you want with your body, but that doesn't make it smart to do so.
Come on, you're not even trying.
Trying to do what? Express my opinion? I'm sorry for believing that you are what you are, and that feeding delusions is bad. I don't care what nonsense you've heard, a TG woman is not an actual woman.
24466
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:21:19 PM »
What the fuck? Of course not.
24467
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:19:43 PM »
Pro tip: do not discuss trans* issues on the internet unless you're someplace that wont shit all over you. Sep7agon, Bungie, and the like are no such places.
Any place where transgenderism is seen as a social movement is a place that shouldn't exist.
24468
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:18:44 PM »
It's just immoral.
I'm not going to get into a debate with you but you have a strange definition of morality.
I'd consider it pretty immoral to let a sufferer of a disease believe that he's healthy instead of actually trying to help him.
Alright alright fine.
What exactly is unhealthy about it if they're normal functioning people that blend in to normal society and are happy?
They're living a lie. They're pretending to be something they're not. If someone truly believed that they were King Richard III, would you encourage him to live out that life? Or would you recommend him a therapist? Probably the latter.
But there's a difference between thinking you're an already existing person and living as the opposite sex, isn't there? Seems like a silly comparison, especially considering how in utero we all had a 50/50 chance of ending up either male to female. Or...on the off chance, something different.
i.e. XXX, X, XXY, XYY, etc
Because you know, they exist.
Not only that, but it's medically proven that in rare cases there is the possibility of mind and body from a gender standpoint being out of alignment because they form separately and on rare occasions during fetal development receive different amounts of sex hormones.
It's rare but it's a natural occurrence. Call it a defect or whatever, but these people aren't diseased or delusional.
If you're born as a man, that's what you are. No matter how much you whine about it on the Internet, you will never be a woman. And if you go to the lengths to get reassignment surgery, you're still not a woman. You're an idiot who tried to fuck with nature and change what can't be changed. It's disgusting, inhumane, and generally unpleasant. Of course, you should be able to do whatever the hell you want with your body, but that doesn't make it smart to do so.
24469
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:13:49 PM »
All transgenderism does is make you think you're the opposite gender. Big deal. Homosexuality makes you think that you're sexually attracted to something that you objectively shouldn't be. That's a mental disorder, caused by a birth defect.
It is.
24470
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:10:07 PM »
oh god yes.
Anyone who would ever have sex with a tranny is a freak.
24471
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:09:17 PM »
Homosexuality isn't a birth defect, transgenderism is. Sagacious knowledge from the eighteen-year-old pothead layman.
Oh, sorry, that's ad hominem. How rude of me.
I would love to see your evidence for that highly quantifiable and demonstrable statement.
Use logic. All homosexuality does is make you attracted to the other sex. Big deal. Transgenderism makes you believe that you're something you're objectively not. That's a mental disorder, caused by a birth defect.
24472
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:07:34 PM »
It's gonna be fun.
24473
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:07:05 PM »
Okay, I'll try.
Some people are born with mental disorders.
A subset of mental disorders is delusional disorders.
It's unethical to stand idly by and allow someone affected by a mental disorder to live out their delusions. You should do something to help.
While TGs undoubtedly have every right to change their gender, that doesn't make it an intelligent or good choice. You could make the same argument for homosexuality. You sound like a Christian fundy right now.
Transgenderism and homosexuality are two completely different things, that require completely different responses. Cmon, even you can understand this.
24474
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:05:51 PM »
It's just immoral.
I'm not going to get into a debate with you but you have a strange definition of morality.
I'd consider it pretty immoral to let a sufferer of a disease believe that he's healthy instead of actually trying to help him.
Alright alright fine.
What exactly is unhealthy about it if they're normal functioning people that blend in to normal society and are happy?
They're living a lie. They're pretending to be something they're not. If someone truly believed that they were King Richard III, would you encourage him to live out that life? Or would you recommend him a therapist? Probably the latter.
24475
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:03:48 PM »
Mental ward =/= brainwashing camp You're literally doing the same thing, though.
Homosexuality isn't a birth defect, transgenderism is. There's a big difference between religious dogma and medical help.
24476
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:02:42 PM »
I've explained to you literally four times exactly why that is, but I guess you just can't grasp it. Not my fault. I'm apparently autistic for not wanting to be either gender, so, I guess that means I literally can't grasp it. Explain it to me like I actually am younger than you, then.
Okay, I'll try. Some people are born with mental disorders. A subset of mental disorders is delusional disorders. It's unethical to stand idly by and allow someone affected by a mental disorder to live out their delusions. You should do something to help. While TGs undoubtedly have every right to change their gender, that doesn't make it an intelligent or good choice.
24477
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:59:52 PM »
otherwise embrace their delusion instead of trying to heal it Reminds me of those Christian camps that are supposed to heal homosexuality.
That's a perfect comparison, actually. Because it's literally the exact same kind of thing.
Mental ward =/= brainwashing camp
24478
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:57:33 PM »
If you're a man who wants to be a woman, that's bad in and of itself. You have failed conclusively to demonstrate precisely why that may be. I summarily discard your proposition with contempt.
I've explained to you literally four times exactly why that is, but I guess you just can't grasp it. Not my fault.
24479
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:56:48 PM »
If you think that trying to fuck up your body with senseless surgery is as damaging as smoking weed, there's not much left to argue about. You're too far gone. AWESOME, because that's not the fucking subject. It's transgenderism, not transexualism.
The title of the thread refers to traps, yo. That's slang for tranny. Tranny = changed your gender.
More for crossdressers than transfolk...
Ah, whatever. They're pretty much in the same ballpark, anyway.
No, definitely not.
Yes, definitely so. They're both GID sufferers who are choosing to embrace their delusion rather than attempt to heal themselves. Either way, idiots.
A crossdresser is just someone who wears the opposite sex's clothes. That's all.
I know what a crossdresser is. And yeah, you need to either have GID or some other disorder to actually go through with that.
24480
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:53:52 PM »
If you think that trying to fuck up your body with senseless surgery is as damaging as smoking weed, there's not much left to argue about. You're too far gone. AWESOME, because that's not the fucking subject. It's transgenderism, not transexualism.
The title of the thread refers to traps, yo. That's slang for tranny. Tranny = changed your gender.
More for crossdressers than transfolk...
Ah, whatever. They're pretty much in the same ballpark, anyway.
No, definitely not.
Yes, definitely so. They're both GID sufferers who are choosing to embrace their delusion rather than attempt to heal themselves. Either way, idiots.
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