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24451
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:32:31 PM »
It's just immoral.
I'm not going to get into a debate with you but you have a strange definition of morality.
I'd consider it pretty immoral to let a sufferer of a disease believe that he's healthy instead of actually trying to help him.
Alright alright fine.
What exactly is unhealthy about it if they're normal functioning people that blend in to normal society and are happy?
They're living a lie. They're pretending to be something they're not. If someone truly believed that they were King Richard III, would you encourage him to live out that life? Or would you recommend him a therapist? Probably the latter.
But there's a difference between thinking you're an already existing person and living as the opposite sex, isn't there? Seems like a silly comparison, especially considering how in utero we all had a 50/50 chance of ending up either male to female. Or...on the off chance, something different.
i.e. XXX, X, XXY, XYY, etc
Because you know, they exist.
Not only that, but it's medically proven that in rare cases there is the possibility of mind and body from a gender standpoint being out of alignment because they form separately and on rare occasions during fetal development receive different amounts of sex hormones.
It's rare but it's a natural occurrence. Call it a defect or whatever, but these people aren't diseased or delusional.
If you're born as a man, that's what you are. No matter how much you whine about it on the Internet, you will never be a woman. And if you go to the lengths to get reassignment surgery, you're still not a woman. You're an idiot who tried to fuck with nature and change what can't be changed. It's disgusting, inhumane, and generally unpleasant. Of course, you should be able to do whatever the hell you want with your body, but that doesn't make it smart to do so.
Come on, you're not even trying.
Trying to do what? Express my opinion? I'm sorry for believing that you are what you are, and that feeding delusions is bad. I don't care what nonsense you've heard, a TG woman is not an actual woman.
You didn't even try to debunk anything I said, which is what I'm trying to say.
You didn't really say anything. I know that there's different types of birth defects, but most TGs do see themselves as the opposite sex. Or, at least, they strive to be. Both of which are equally bad.
24452
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:28:10 PM »
It's just immoral.
I'm not going to get into a debate with you but you have a strange definition of morality.
I'd consider it pretty immoral to let a sufferer of a disease believe that he's healthy instead of actually trying to help him.
Alright alright fine.
What exactly is unhealthy about it if they're normal functioning people that blend in to normal society and are happy?
They're living a lie. They're pretending to be something they're not. If someone truly believed that they were King Richard III, would you encourage him to live out that life? Or would you recommend him a therapist? Probably the latter.
But there's a difference between thinking you're an already existing person and living as the opposite sex, isn't there? Seems like a silly comparison, especially considering how in utero we all had a 50/50 chance of ending up either male to female. Or...on the off chance, something different.
i.e. XXX, X, XXY, XYY, etc
Because you know, they exist.
Not only that, but it's medically proven that in rare cases there is the possibility of mind and body from a gender standpoint being out of alignment because they form separately and on rare occasions during fetal development receive different amounts of sex hormones.
It's rare but it's a natural occurrence. Call it a defect or whatever, but these people aren't diseased or delusional.
If you're born as a man, that's what you are. No matter how much you whine about it on the Internet, you will never be a woman. And if you go to the lengths to get reassignment surgery, you're still not a woman. You're an idiot who tried to fuck with nature and change what can't be changed. It's disgusting, inhumane, and generally unpleasant. Of course, you should be able to do whatever the hell you want with your body, but that doesn't make it smart to do so.
Come on, you're not even trying.
Trying to do what? Express my opinion? I'm sorry for believing that you are what you are, and that feeding delusions is bad. I don't care what nonsense you've heard, a TG woman is not an actual woman.
24453
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:21:19 PM »
What the fuck? Of course not.
24454
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:19:43 PM »
Pro tip: do not discuss trans* issues on the internet unless you're someplace that wont shit all over you. Sep7agon, Bungie, and the like are no such places.
Any place where transgenderism is seen as a social movement is a place that shouldn't exist.
24455
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:18:44 PM »
It's just immoral.
I'm not going to get into a debate with you but you have a strange definition of morality.
I'd consider it pretty immoral to let a sufferer of a disease believe that he's healthy instead of actually trying to help him.
Alright alright fine.
What exactly is unhealthy about it if they're normal functioning people that blend in to normal society and are happy?
They're living a lie. They're pretending to be something they're not. If someone truly believed that they were King Richard III, would you encourage him to live out that life? Or would you recommend him a therapist? Probably the latter.
But there's a difference between thinking you're an already existing person and living as the opposite sex, isn't there? Seems like a silly comparison, especially considering how in utero we all had a 50/50 chance of ending up either male to female. Or...on the off chance, something different.
i.e. XXX, X, XXY, XYY, etc
Because you know, they exist.
Not only that, but it's medically proven that in rare cases there is the possibility of mind and body from a gender standpoint being out of alignment because they form separately and on rare occasions during fetal development receive different amounts of sex hormones.
It's rare but it's a natural occurrence. Call it a defect or whatever, but these people aren't diseased or delusional.
If you're born as a man, that's what you are. No matter how much you whine about it on the Internet, you will never be a woman. And if you go to the lengths to get reassignment surgery, you're still not a woman. You're an idiot who tried to fuck with nature and change what can't be changed. It's disgusting, inhumane, and generally unpleasant. Of course, you should be able to do whatever the hell you want with your body, but that doesn't make it smart to do so.
24456
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:13:49 PM »
All transgenderism does is make you think you're the opposite gender. Big deal. Homosexuality makes you think that you're sexually attracted to something that you objectively shouldn't be. That's a mental disorder, caused by a birth defect.
It is.
24457
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:10:07 PM »
oh god yes.
Anyone who would ever have sex with a tranny is a freak.
24458
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:09:17 PM »
Homosexuality isn't a birth defect, transgenderism is. Sagacious knowledge from the eighteen-year-old pothead layman.
Oh, sorry, that's ad hominem. How rude of me.
I would love to see your evidence for that highly quantifiable and demonstrable statement.
Use logic. All homosexuality does is make you attracted to the other sex. Big deal. Transgenderism makes you believe that you're something you're objectively not. That's a mental disorder, caused by a birth defect.
24459
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:07:34 PM »
It's gonna be fun.
24460
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:07:05 PM »
Okay, I'll try.
Some people are born with mental disorders.
A subset of mental disorders is delusional disorders.
It's unethical to stand idly by and allow someone affected by a mental disorder to live out their delusions. You should do something to help.
While TGs undoubtedly have every right to change their gender, that doesn't make it an intelligent or good choice. You could make the same argument for homosexuality. You sound like a Christian fundy right now.
Transgenderism and homosexuality are two completely different things, that require completely different responses. Cmon, even you can understand this.
24461
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:05:51 PM »
It's just immoral.
I'm not going to get into a debate with you but you have a strange definition of morality.
I'd consider it pretty immoral to let a sufferer of a disease believe that he's healthy instead of actually trying to help him.
Alright alright fine.
What exactly is unhealthy about it if they're normal functioning people that blend in to normal society and are happy?
They're living a lie. They're pretending to be something they're not. If someone truly believed that they were King Richard III, would you encourage him to live out that life? Or would you recommend him a therapist? Probably the latter.
24462
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:03:48 PM »
Mental ward =/= brainwashing camp You're literally doing the same thing, though.
Homosexuality isn't a birth defect, transgenderism is. There's a big difference between religious dogma and medical help.
24463
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:02:42 PM »
I've explained to you literally four times exactly why that is, but I guess you just can't grasp it. Not my fault. I'm apparently autistic for not wanting to be either gender, so, I guess that means I literally can't grasp it. Explain it to me like I actually am younger than you, then.
Okay, I'll try. Some people are born with mental disorders. A subset of mental disorders is delusional disorders. It's unethical to stand idly by and allow someone affected by a mental disorder to live out their delusions. You should do something to help. While TGs undoubtedly have every right to change their gender, that doesn't make it an intelligent or good choice.
24464
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:59:52 PM »
otherwise embrace their delusion instead of trying to heal it Reminds me of those Christian camps that are supposed to heal homosexuality.
That's a perfect comparison, actually. Because it's literally the exact same kind of thing.
Mental ward =/= brainwashing camp
24465
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:57:33 PM »
If you're a man who wants to be a woman, that's bad in and of itself. You have failed conclusively to demonstrate precisely why that may be. I summarily discard your proposition with contempt.
I've explained to you literally four times exactly why that is, but I guess you just can't grasp it. Not my fault.
24466
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:56:48 PM »
If you think that trying to fuck up your body with senseless surgery is as damaging as smoking weed, there's not much left to argue about. You're too far gone. AWESOME, because that's not the fucking subject. It's transgenderism, not transexualism.
The title of the thread refers to traps, yo. That's slang for tranny. Tranny = changed your gender.
More for crossdressers than transfolk...
Ah, whatever. They're pretty much in the same ballpark, anyway.
No, definitely not.
Yes, definitely so. They're both GID sufferers who are choosing to embrace their delusion rather than attempt to heal themselves. Either way, idiots.
A crossdresser is just someone who wears the opposite sex's clothes. That's all.
I know what a crossdresser is. And yeah, you need to either have GID or some other disorder to actually go through with that.
24467
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:53:52 PM »
If you think that trying to fuck up your body with senseless surgery is as damaging as smoking weed, there's not much left to argue about. You're too far gone. AWESOME, because that's not the fucking subject. It's transgenderism, not transexualism.
The title of the thread refers to traps, yo. That's slang for tranny. Tranny = changed your gender.
More for crossdressers than transfolk...
Ah, whatever. They're pretty much in the same ballpark, anyway.
No, definitely not.
Yes, definitely so. They're both GID sufferers who are choosing to embrace their delusion rather than attempt to heal themselves. Either way, idiots.
24468
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:53:12 PM »
otherwise embrace their delusion instead of trying to heal it This blows my GODDAMN mind.
Men who are comfortable with being women should learn to like being men. Because: Reasons.
Reminds me of those Christian camps that are supposed to heal homosexuality.
If you're a man who wants to be a woman, that's bad in and of itself.
24469
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:52:13 PM »
...and hormone injections are all great ways to intelligently deal with the disorder, if you have it
Unintentionally says something not completely retarded. GG
Just to be clear, I'm talking about hormone injections to correct your disorder and get you back to the gender you were born as.
24470
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:51:25 PM »
If you think that trying to fuck up your body with senseless surgery is as damaging as smoking weed, there's not much left to argue about. You're too far gone. AWESOME, because that's not the fucking subject. It's transgenderism, not transexualism.
The title of the thread refers to traps, yo. That's slang for tranny. Tranny = changed your gender.
More for crossdressers than transfolk...
Ah, whatever. They're pretty much in the same ballpark, anyway.
24471
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:49:25 PM »
Then it appears that this is more a misunderstanding. You aren't disagreeing with transgendered persons taking steps to fix the issue by undergoing hormone therapy or SRS, you are talking about Tumblrfag special snowflakes.
I'm talking about those who: a) undergo gender reassignment surgery b) otherwise embrace their delusion instead of trying to heal it If you have GID, but are trying to overcome it, I have nothing but respect for you.
24472
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:46:36 PM »
If you think that trying to fuck up your body with senseless surgery is as damaging as smoking weed, there's not much left to argue about. You're too far gone. AWESOME, because that's not the fucking subject. It's transgenderism, not transexualism.
The title of the thread refers to traps, yo. That's slang for tranny. Tranny = changed your gender.
24473
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:45:54 PM »
It's just immoral.
I'm not going to get into a debate with you but you have a strange definition of morality.
I'd consider it pretty immoral to let a sufferer of a disease believe that he's healthy instead of actually trying to help him.
24474
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:44:16 PM »
What do you all think of intersex people?
Any gender identification outside male and female is laughable and shouldn't be taken seriously.
Intersex isn't a gender identification, Class.
Oh, I thought you were talking about something else. What you're talking about is just a birth defect, plain and simple. No need to have a whole social movement around it.
Transgenderism is also a birth defect (as far as we currently know). The "movement" is to attempt to remove misconceptions and de-stigmatize people who suffer from it. Like someone who is intersex, they are limited in options of fixing their problem. I'm quite certain that if there were an actual, reliable way to remove or alleviate the problem outside of SRS then most transgendered persons would opt for it. But there isn't outside of doing nothing, and doing nothing isn't a solution. It's ignoring the problem.
I know it is, that's what I've been talking to Verb about. And while destigmatizing people who suffer from these disorders is nice, it's not addressing the real root of the problem. Because of the whole social movement on behalf of TGs, and the fact that it's "bigotry" to see it as a disease, no real progress can be made on finding a medical solution. I know that there are currently other options, though, than fucking up your body in a vain and gross attempt to change what you can't.
I'd just like you to consider that Tumblr is an extremist view of the subject. And what other options are there? If you mean psychoanalysis, that's required to begin the hormone therapy in the first place. That way people who are just seeking a form of escapism don't commit rash and permanent changes to themselves.
Psychoanalysis, therapy, and hormone injections are all great ways to intelligently deal with the disorder, if you have it. People who go that route have my respect. Not those who foolishly indulge a serious delusion.
24475
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:42:50 PM »
I'm talking about damage to the individual. You fucking hypocrite.
You fucking pot-smoking goddamn fucking hypocrite.
If you think that trying to fuck up your body with senseless surgery is as damaging as smoking weed, there's not much left to argue about. You're too far gone.
24476
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:39:04 PM »
First off all, if you're even remotely capable of getting mad over people on the Internet, you need to reevaluate your life. Speak for yourself. Like I said, you're the only bigot I know who actually gets so livid over this shit. The only reason I'm angry now is because you're just basically just lying and putting words in my mouth--which is a completely rational thing to get pissed off over, because you're using intellectually dishonest means to do two things.
1. Sell your snake oil.
2. Act like I'm selling snake oil.
Instead of actually having a fair, rational discussion, as we were having.
And then you fucked the pooch. I don't know why I expected to be able to discuss thing at all with you.
If you think I get upset over this topic, much less "livid", than you have a strange interpretation of my posts. And I'm not putting words in your mouth, I'm just trying to talk about this subject. You're the one who seems to have a problem with the conversation. I have no idea what you're talking about with all this "snake oil" nonsense, by the way. As far as I can tell, we were having a fine discussion before you interrupted it with this whining. Letting a TG sufferer indulge in his delusion is no different than letting a schizophrenic indulge in his delusion. Demonstrate how. Don't just say, "they're both defects."
One is a harmful defect.
The other is not.
I'm not talking about damage to others, I'm talking about damage to the individual. It's not ethical to let someone with an immense delusion live in that delusion their whole lives. At some point, actual medical care is needed.
24477
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:34:31 PM »
What do you all think of intersex people?
Any gender identification outside male and female is laughable and shouldn't be taken seriously.
Intersex isn't a gender identification, Class.
Oh, I thought you were talking about something else. What you're talking about is just a birth defect, plain and simple. No need to have a whole social movement around it.
Transgenderism is also a birth defect (as far as we currently know). The "movement" is to attempt to remove misconceptions and de-stigmatize people who suffer from it. Like someone who is intersex, they are limited in options of fixing their problem. I'm quite certain that if there were an actual, reliable way to remove or alleviate the problem outside of SRS then most transgendered persons would opt for it. But there isn't outside of doing nothing, and doing nothing isn't a solution. It's ignoring the problem.
I know it is, that's what I've been talking to Verb about. And while destigmatizing people who suffer from these disorders is nice, it's not addressing the real root of the problem. Because of the whole social movement on behalf of TGs, and the fact that it's "bigotry" to see it as a disease, no real progress can be made on finding a medical solution. I know that there are currently other options, though, than fucking up your body in a vain and gross attempt to change what you can't.
24478
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:30:51 PM »
What do you all think of intersex people?
Any gender identification outside male and female is laughable and shouldn't be taken seriously.
Male and female aren't genders
They're the only genders. Are you dense?
Are you?
They're sexes, not genders.
Man/Woman = gender
Gender and sex are synonyms.
Man and male person are synonyms.
Woman and female person are synonyms.
Except that's not true.
Gender and sex aren't one and the same.
Jesus, when did this site turn into tumblr?
24479
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:29:31 PM »
If we let everyone with a mental disorder embrace it with pride, our society would crumble. You shouldn't encourage people's delusions. Who the fuck said we'd let everyone with a mental disorder embrace it? You stupid fuck? Now I'm just mad.
First off all, if you're even remotely capable of getting mad over people on the Internet, you need to reevaluate your life. Secondly, I was using the example to make a point. Letting a TG sufferer indulge in his delusion is no different than letting a schizophrenic indulge in his delusion. It's just immoral.
24480
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:26:57 PM »
What do you all think of intersex people?
Any gender identification outside male and female is laughable and shouldn't be taken seriously.
Male and female aren't genders
They're the only genders. Are you dense?
Are you?
They're sexes, not genders.
Man/Woman = gender
Gender and sex are synonyms. Man and male person are synonyms. Woman and female person are synonyms.
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