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22261
« on: April 08, 2015, 03:26:51 PM »
I know you both play Pokemon, get in here.
I suck at competitive battling, but what the hell. Sign me up.
22262
« on: April 07, 2015, 08:55:53 PM »
Explanation since Zesty is terrible: Spoiler  To get your edit profile menu to drop down you have to hover over your avatar on the navbar. But there's that little gap in between the navbar and the menu that causes the menu to disappear if you don't move your cursor quick enough. It's not really a problem for me, though.
22263
« on: April 07, 2015, 08:28:42 PM »
Anyone who uses the terms "irregardless," "a whole 'nother'" or "all of the sudden".
22264
« on: April 07, 2015, 06:53:44 PM »
Catch them how I'd they're about to blow themselves up?
And you'd rather increased surveillance instead of discouraging hate speech? Come on.
It doesn't take a genius to know that there are steps and preparations you have to make to even get a homemade explosive. The FBI foils hundreds of threats a year based on that alone.
And yes, even hate speech should be a protected tenet of any modern society. It's not a great aspect of humanity, but it would be even worse to physically arrest someone just for using words to express their opinions. I never said it shouldn't be discouraged. Freedom of expression is so much more important than complete privacy from the government.
Well that's how you discourage. By not small wing them in mosques and the streets. They can do it on their garages if they want.
Eh. I actually kind of agree with this in a way, in the sense that yelling hatred at people who are just trying to get to work is akin to public nudity or soliciting. But at the same time, it's just a viewpoint that gets people inflamed, and people who protest in front of abortion clinics don't get arrested.
If they're part of a group that bombs abortion clinics they should be removed.
If not, leave them to their whining.
Again... Attacking =/= supporting attacking
22265
« on: April 07, 2015, 06:51:07 PM »
Catch them how I'd they're about to blow themselves up?
And you'd rather increased surveillance instead of discouraging hate speech? Come on.
It doesn't take a genius to know that there are steps and preparations you have to make to even get a homemade explosive. The FBI foils hundreds of threats a year based on that alone.
And yes, even hate speech should be a protected tenet of any modern society. It's not a great aspect of humanity, but it would be even worse to physically arrest someone just for using words to express their opinions. I never said it shouldn't be discouraged. Freedom of expression is so much more important than complete privacy from the government.
Well that's how you discourage. By not small wing them in mosques and the streets. They can do it on their garages if they want.
Eh. I actually kind of agree with this in a way, in the sense that yelling hatred at people who are just trying to get to work is akin to public nudity or soliciting. But at the same time, it's just a viewpoint that gets people inflamed, and people who protest in front of abortion clinics don't get arrested. And if people are doing it in a reasonable manner, not actually impeding or antagonizing anyone with anything but words, you can't treat it any differently than any other organized protest.
22266
« on: April 07, 2015, 06:40:07 PM »
Catch them how I'd they're about to blow themselves up?
And you'd rather increased surveillance instead of discouraging hate speech? Come on.
It doesn't take a genius to know that there are steps and preparations you have to make to even get a homemade explosive. The FBI foils hundreds of threats a year based on that alone. And yes, even hate speech should be a protected tenet of any modern society. It's not a great aspect of humanity, but it would be even worse to physically arrest someone just for using words to express their opinions. I never said it shouldn't be discouraged. Freedom of expression is so much more important than complete privacy from the government.
22267
« on: April 07, 2015, 06:33:37 PM »
As opposed to handcuffing people who've committed no crime? Sure.
So? Using your words to say that you support a terrorist group isn't the same thing as being a part of it. I've literally reiterated that to you three times in this thread so far.
And I'm saying we should stop them before they do something.
...I'm also saying that. Did you miss this? The smart thing to do is to put heavy government surveillance around the ISIS apologists, catch them doing, you know, a crime...not arresting them simply for expressing their misguided view for a group.
obviously people like that should be put on some kind of watchlist and monitored closely
There are reasons we have agencies like the FBI and the NSA. They're a necessary evil, which is why I don't mind the government listening in on my phone calls. It's because of that that we're ensured freedom of speech. You can spout whatever monstrous hatred you want, sure, but you better not try to follow through on it, because you're likely being monitored extensively. We just fundamentally disagree and aren't going to get anywhere with this.
Now this I agree with.
22268
« on: April 07, 2015, 06:23:57 PM »
Ugh, splitting my post up like that is so annoying, just type like a normal person. If I can go through the trouble of cutting down posts and organizing them on mobile you shouldn't be complaining.
And anyway, if you seriously think that ISIS actually has the potential to be an international threat, you're buying into the story more than I thought. At this point, they're more than capable of taking over the Middle East, but the second they step into Russian, European, American, or pretty much any other territory, they're done. Your life is literally in no danger.
Why the FUCK are you talking about ISIS as if they're the only group, or as if they're going to perform some sort of land invasion?
Dude, the problem is some radicalized kid can blow himself up in a train. That's the danger.
Yeah, which is an actual crime. Protesting isn't. Showing support for ISIS isn't.
Again, what're we supposed to do? Handcuff bits and pieces of his body together after he commits an atrocity?
Like I said to Comms, obviously people like that should be put on some kind of watchlist and monitored closely, but to make the act of showing support for a group in and of itself illegal undermines the point of even having a country.
Except they're part of a terrorist group. They're terrorists.
As opposed to handcuffing people who've committed no crime? Sure. So? Using your words to say that you support a terrorist group isn't the same thing as being a part of it. I've literally reiterated that to you three times in this thread so far.
22269
« on: April 07, 2015, 06:21:24 PM »
The problem with the people ITT is that they're turning an issue of morality into an issue of politics. You act as if they're mutually exclusive.
This isn't even about ISIS, No, it isn't. Not sure why you assumed the guys were part of ISIS.
it's about the ideal of freedom of expression. The mere act of showing support for a group or idea, no matter how terrible that group or idea may be, is protected under the human code. Principles mean nothing if you're not willing to stand by them when it's inconvenient for you.
Dying is a pretty big inconvenience.
Ugh, splitting my post up like that is so annoying, just type like a normal person. And anyway, if you seriously think that ISIS actually has the potential to be an international threat, you're buying into the story more than I thought. At this point, they're more than capable of taking over the Middle East, but the second they step into Russian, European, American, or pretty much any other territory, they're done. Your life is literally in no danger.
Uh.
What?
IS has no capability whatsoever to take over the Middle East. Have you even been following recent events involving them?
And IS is becoming an international thread because as their actual ability to take, hold, and govern land declines, they are putting more and more of their resources into foreign attacks. So they could be a very big international threat in the future.
Yeah, which is why we should be putting our resources into that, not into blindly arresting peaceful protestors. The smart thing to do is to put heavy government surveillance around the ISIS apologists, catch them doing, you know, a crime...not arresting them simply for expressing their misguided view for a group.
That's what they already do FFS. The only times they've been arresting them is if they are actually caught at the airport trying to join IS or trying to provide support to the group.
I know, but you're talking about heavier restriction than that. What they already do now is perfect.
No I'm not. I'm talking about heavier restrictions on people preaching for death. They provide indirect support to the group. Peaceful protesters don't aid the group in any way, and they just make themselves look like asses.
Preaching for death is peaceful protesting. Saying something should be done isn't the same thing as doing it.
22270
« on: April 07, 2015, 06:18:38 PM »
The problem with the people ITT is that they're turning an issue of morality into an issue of politics. You act as if they're mutually exclusive.
This isn't even about ISIS, No, it isn't. Not sure why you assumed the guys were part of ISIS.
it's about the ideal of freedom of expression. The mere act of showing support for a group or idea, no matter how terrible that group or idea may be, is protected under the human code. Principles mean nothing if you're not willing to stand by them when it's inconvenient for you.
Dying is a pretty big inconvenience.
Ugh, splitting my post up like that is so annoying, just type like a normal person. And anyway, if you seriously think that ISIS actually has the potential to be an international threat, you're buying into the story more than I thought. At this point, they're more than capable of taking over the Middle East, but the second they step into Russian, European, American, or pretty much any other territory, they're done. Your life is literally in no danger.
Uh.
What?
IS has no capability whatsoever to take over the Middle East. Have you even been following recent events involving them?
And IS is becoming an international thread because as their actual ability to take, hold, and govern land declines, they are putting more and more of their resources into foreign attacks. So they could be a very big international threat in the future.
Yeah, which is why we should be putting our resources into that, not into blindly arresting peaceful protestors. The smart thing to do is to put heavy government surveillance around the ISIS apologists, catch them doing, you know, a crime...not arresting them simply for expressing their misguided view for a group.
That's what they already do FFS. The only times they've been arresting them is if they are actually caught at the airport trying to join IS or trying to provide support to the group.
I know, but you're talking about heavier restriction than that. What they already do now is perfect.
22271
« on: April 07, 2015, 06:16:33 PM »
Ugh, splitting my post up like that is so annoying, just type like a normal person. If I can go through the trouble of cutting down posts and organizing them on mobile you shouldn't be complaining.
And anyway, if you seriously think that ISIS actually has the potential to be an international threat, you're buying into the story more than I thought. At this point, they're more than capable of taking over the Middle East, but the second they step into Russian, European, American, or pretty much any other territory, they're done. Your life is literally in no danger.
Why the FUCK are you talking about ISIS as if they're the only group, or as if they're going to perform some sort of land invasion?
Dude, the problem is some radicalized kid can blow himself up in a train. That's the danger.
Yeah, which is an actual crime. Protesting isn't. Showing support for ISIS isn't. Like I said to Comms, obviously people like that should be put on some kind of watchlist and monitored closely, but to make the act of showing support for a group in and of itself illegal undermines the point of even having a country.
22272
« on: April 07, 2015, 06:14:13 PM »
The problem with the people ITT is that they're turning an issue of morality into an issue of politics. You act as if they're mutually exclusive.
This isn't even about ISIS, No, it isn't. Not sure why you assumed the guys were part of ISIS.
it's about the ideal of freedom of expression. The mere act of showing support for a group or idea, no matter how terrible that group or idea may be, is protected under the human code. Principles mean nothing if you're not willing to stand by them when it's inconvenient for you.
Dying is a pretty big inconvenience.
Ugh, splitting my post up like that is so annoying, just type like a normal person. And anyway, if you seriously think that ISIS actually has the potential to be an international threat, you're buying into the story more than I thought. At this point, they're more than capable of taking over the Middle East, but the second they step into Russian, European, American, or pretty much any other territory, they're done. Your life is literally in no danger.
Uh.
What?
IS has no capability whatsoever to take over the Middle East. Have you even been following recent events involving them?
And IS is becoming an international thread because as their actual ability to take, hold, and govern land declines, they are putting more and more of their resources into foreign attacks. So they could be a very big international threat in the future.
Yeah, which is why we should be putting our resources into that, not into blindly arresting peaceful protestors. The smart thing to do is to put heavy government surveillance around the ISIS apologists, catch them doing, you know, a crime...not arresting them simply for expressing their misguided view for a group.
22273
« on: April 07, 2015, 06:08:59 PM »
The problem with the people ITT is that they're turning an issue of morality into an issue of politics. You act as if they're mutually exclusive.
This isn't even about ISIS, No, it isn't. Not sure why you assumed the guys were part of ISIS.
it's about the ideal of freedom of expression. The mere act of showing support for a group or idea, no matter how terrible that group or idea may be, is protected under the human code. Principles mean nothing if you're not willing to stand by them when it's inconvenient for you.
Dying is a pretty big inconvenience.
Ugh, splitting my post up like that is so annoying, just type like a normal person. And anyway, if you seriously think that ISIS actually has the potential to be an international threat, you're buying into the story more than I thought. At this point, they're more than capable of taking over the Middle East, but the second they step into Russian, European, American, or pretty much any other territory, they're done. Your life is literally in no danger.
22274
« on: April 07, 2015, 06:00:07 PM »
The problem with the people ITT is that they're turning an issue of morality into an issue of politics. This isn't even about ISIS, it's about the ideal of freedom of expression. The mere act of showing support for a group or idea, no matter how terrible that group or idea may be, is protected under the human code. Principles mean nothing if you're not willing to stand by them when it's inconvenient for you.
"Human code"
The fuck sort of shit you talking about?
The basic moral laws that civilizations (good ones, at least) strive for. Most of it was established in culturally advanced societies like Rome and England. Pretty standard concept, don't really see what you're not picking up on.
22275
« on: April 07, 2015, 05:52:22 PM »
The problem with the people ITT is that they're turning an issue of morality into an issue of politics. This isn't even about ISIS, it's about the ideal of freedom of expression. The mere act of showing support for a group or idea, no matter how terrible that group or idea may be, is protected under the human code. Principles mean nothing if you're not willing to stand by them when it's inconvenient for you.
22276
« on: April 07, 2015, 05:06:10 PM »
Challenger has shit opinions, so Meta.
You're just mad that you're getting rekt by him on that thread in Serious.
People who like (most of) Meta's opinions just masturbate to muh free market.
If you consider that getting wrecked, I don't want to know how you react to actual forum rape.
And no, it mainly stems from the drug/consent arguments I've had with him in the past. He makes Verbatim's social beliefs look brilliant.
What are his opinions on those?
Before he starts telling some bullshit story, I don't have any problem with people using drugs.
But his view of "my body beings damaged or me dying doesn't affect anybody else" is bullshit plain and simple.
He'd say something stupid like "I have the right to drink bleach if I want to" then act like it won't have an effect on his family, the economy, and so on.
No, I just said that you have a right to do whatever the hell you want to your own body. It's the one thing you indisputably own.
22277
« on: April 07, 2015, 05:04:08 PM »
How about we arrest them for being criminals.
Nonviolently expressing your opinion isn't a criminal act. You have this childish mindset of "OMG EVERY SINGLE PERSON EVER WHO SUPPORTS ISIS WILL UNDOUBTEDLY MURDER SOME1". It's dumb. Sure, 50% of those protesters are probably murderers, but that's a completely different crime. You're treating expression and protesting in and of itself as breaking the law.
Nobody is saying that every single supporter of X will kill somebody except for you. And you clearly haven't even read either of our posts, or else you wouldn't immediately be posting your ideological crap.
The point is that freedom of expression is the absolute pinnacle of a society's goals. Stripping it down just to catch more members of a group that will be gone in ten years anyway is a travesty.
Oh of course, a group that's been around for decades and is doing extremely well will be gone in 10 years. We should just wait it out like a bunch of pussy hippies. Fuck saving innocent lives.
No, we should fucking steamroll the Middle East with some kind of collective force of 500,000 soldiers, wipe out ISIS, and leave. The problem with the Iraq War was that we stuck around to "rebuild" the country. I've been saying this for years. We just need to eliminate the majority of the group and get out of there, not impose restrictions to freedom of speech for no reason.
22278
« on: April 07, 2015, 04:59:31 PM »
How about we arrest them for being criminals.
Nonviolently expressing your opinion isn't a criminal act. You have this childish mindset of "OMG EVERY SINGLE PERSON EVER WHO SUPPORTS ISIS WILL UNDOUBTEDLY MURDER SOME1". It's dumb. Sure, 50% of those protesters are probably murderers, but that's a completely different crime. You're treating expression and protesting in and of itself as breaking the law.
Nobody is saying that every single supporter of X will kill somebody except for you. And you clearly haven't even read either of our posts, or else you wouldn't immediately be posting your ideological crap.
The point is that freedom of expression is the absolute pinnacle of any society's goals. Stripping it down just to catch more members of a group that will be gone in ten years anyway is a travesty.
22279
« on: April 07, 2015, 04:56:54 PM »
Challenger has shit opinions, so Meta.
You're just mad that you're getting rekt by him on that thread in Serious.
People who like (most of) Meta's opinions just masturbate to muh free market.
If you consider that getting wrecked, I don't want to know how you react to actual forum rape. And no, it mainly stems from the drug/consent arguments I've had with him in the past. He makes Verbatim's social beliefs look brilliant.
22280
« on: April 07, 2015, 04:54:47 PM »
How about we arrest them for being criminals.
Nonviolently expressing your opinion isn't a criminal act. You have this childish mindset of "OMG EVERY SINGLE PERSON EVER WHO SUPPORTS ISIS WILL UNDOUBTEDLY MURDER SOME1". It's dumb. Sure, 50% of those protesters are probably murderers, but that's a completely different crime. You're treating expression and protesting in and of itself as breaking the law.
22281
« on: April 07, 2015, 04:51:35 PM »
Free speech isn't fucking free speech if certain opinions aren't allowed. To say that you're not allowed to believe in ISIS's cause is ridiculous. Acting on it is completely different.
If I want to walk down main street wearing a KKK uniform and holding up a sign that advocates murdering black people, I should have every legal right to do so. Just as you'd have every right to yell and berate me for it.
Certain opinions (vocalizing) aren't allowed already.
And the KKK should have no legal right to preach hatred. Shit like that just inflames the already tense interracial relations in the US.
Maybe in the backwards ass UK, but not here.
And yes, they should have every legal right to preach whatever they want. Acting on them is completely different.
They do act on them.
So every single member of the KKK assaults black people?
22282
« on: April 07, 2015, 04:50:27 PM »
Challenger has shit opinions, so Meta.
22283
« on: April 07, 2015, 04:48:53 PM »
Free speech isn't fucking free speech if certain opinions aren't allowed. To say that you're not allowed to believe in ISIS's cause is ridiculous. Acting on it is completely different.
If I want to walk down main street wearing a KKK uniform and holding up a sign that advocates murdering black people, I should have every legal right to do so. Just as you'd have every right to yell and berate me for it.
Certain opinions (vocalizing) aren't allowed already.
And the KKK should have no legal right to preach hatred. Shit like that just inflames the already tense interracial relations in the US.
Maybe in the backwards ass UK, but not here. And yes, they should have every legal right to preach whatever they want. Acting on them is completely different.
22284
« on: April 07, 2015, 04:48:01 PM »
Free speech isn't fucking free speech if certain opinions aren't allowed. To say that you're not allowed to believe in ISIS's cause is ridiculous. Acting on it is completely different.
If I want to walk down main street wearing a KKK uniform and holding up a sign that advocates murdering black people, I should have every legal right to do so. Just as you'd have every right to yell and berate me for it.
Are we at war with the KKK? (No, but we should be)
We're at war with Muslim terrorists. Get with the fucking times. You can believe whatever you want. The second you start killing people is the second you lose the right to parade around under the guise of free speech.
Uh, no. Free expression of your beliefs is a right. If I, an individual who has killed no one and never will, wanted to support ISIS's cause and publicly show it, I have a right to do so. Nothing you say can change that. Is it morally right to do so? Of course not. But it's still something that's always, always, protected. If you don't like the ISIS protesters, start another one across from them.
22285
« on: April 07, 2015, 04:27:33 PM »
RIP CIS
22286
« on: April 07, 2015, 04:24:31 PM »
Free speech isn't fucking free speech if certain opinions aren't allowed. To say that you're not allowed to believe in ISIS's cause is ridiculous. Acting on it is completely different.
If I want to walk down main street wearing a KKK uniform and holding up a sign that advocates murdering black people, I should have every legal right to do so. Just as you'd have every right to yell and berate me for it.
22287
« on: April 07, 2015, 04:18:36 PM »
22288
« on: April 07, 2015, 10:57:37 AM »
Go for it.
22289
« on: April 06, 2015, 08:32:15 PM »
Zuko, Iroh, Toph or Sokka.
Can't decide.
pick toph
Azula is literally millions of times better than toph
22290
« on: April 06, 2015, 05:21:38 PM »
Not as good as Gravity Falls
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