I participated in a drug deal. I could have said no, but I was driving my friend's friend home and it was on the way. It would have been quick, so I did it.

Not even a big deal

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Who's alt are you, loser?

And no, I'm not being dramatic. You're just interpreting what I'm saying as dramatic so that you can shrug it off as an excuse to say that drinking at a young age is fine and dandy and that being a functioning alcoholic is actually some magical condition where alcohol no longer affects you and that you can pull a successful life out of your fucking ass because of it.

I never said that. Alcohol dependence is of course still terrible, but functional alcoholics can still be considered successful by financial and career standards. I also wouldn't say it's the point of no return. This of course is anecdotal, but my old friend's dad was a functional alcoholic all throughout my childhood, but started going to AA four or so years ago and stopped drinking. They may not be extremely prevalent, but cases like that are far from uncommon.

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 09:33:29 PM

Drinking alcohol is not an inherently bad act. There's this thing called a functional alcoholic, you know.

Which is literally just a symptom of having been drinking for so long that their body actually needs alcohol to function properly. I wouldn't be surprised if it actually comes from BIG FUCKING SPOILER ALERT: Kids drinking at a young age.

I want you to think of the logic behind this Class.

A human being is born without having ever been exposed to alcohol.

And they need alcohol to function better. Does that make any fucking shred of sense?

Because that's an excuse people use to validate their condition at that point when they don't realize that their body is so dependent on alcohol that it can no longer function properly without it. That's like the last damn stage of heavy addiction. Because if they tried to quit at that point it would hurt them or kill them.

My point was that even people addicted to alcohol can be successful, which you really can't deny. And further than that, drinking alcohol occasionally doesn't neccesitate getting addicted to it, anyway.

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there was a time where i did

What?! Really?

Color me surprised.

Anyway, no one can read your mind, but the vast majority of people don't want to be lectured. And I'd argue that if you're so weak you need someone else to stop you from doing something, that's your problem.

then i guess everyone is weak, because everyone who drinks alcohol needs someone to tell them to stop

So either the entire world is weak or your opinion is wrong. Guess which is more likely.

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 09:08:54 PM

No one drinking alcohol wants you to stop them from doing so or give them a lecture, though.

i would have

You wouldn't drink in the first place.

This has been going on since the media covered murderers. How exactly are we going to break the cycle? By just not telling anyone that some lunatic went on a rampage and killed a dozen people?

Exactly. And you know as well as I do that the media is a business. It sensationalizes things. Chris Mercer is already a national pariah, known by all. And yet the stories continue because people keep watching. It's a narrative that strings people along and milks advertisers as long as the story can continue. You can inform the public there was a shooting without taking it this far. And let's be honest - this is an enormous country. Terrible things happen every day. There are probably no less than 500 active serial killers in the country right now, and dozens of people get murdered on a daily basis. The only reason we blow up stories like this to the national level is that they're visceral and attention-grabbing.

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Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 08:18:43 PM

I wish we would stop validating these people by lathering them with attention

Eggman's dead, though. And we can't just ignore a school shooting.

Future shooters are still alive, and making everyone who shoots up a school a national celebrity isn't dissuading any of them.

They aren't exactly looked kindly upon.

Do you really think this matters? People will do almost anything for fame, and psychopaths who want to murder anyway will only be encouraged knowing that their name will be broadcast nationwide.

He's dead though. It doesn't matter. Even if a word wasn't said about him it would still be the same.

Are you just not understanding what I'm saying? This has nothing to do with the shooter who killed himself. As you said, he's gone. This has everything to do with the social environment we're cultivating in America. Do you think that when this asshole set out to do what he did, he was just oblivious to the inevitable outcome of mass media attention on it? The precedent of fame given to people like Elliot Rodger and James Holmes only encourages shooters, and the fame given to Chris Mercer this week is just encouraging it further. We need to break this cycle.

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Quote from: Luis👌 on October 02, 2015, 08:36:24 PM

I have a friend that smokes weed and gets high like every weekend.

I used to get high every day. A week between sessions is pretty moderate.

"sessions"

lmao

Uh, yeah? That's the word...

I have a friend that smokes weed and gets high like every weekend.

I used to get high every day. A week between sessions is pretty moderate.

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 08:18:43 PM

I wish we would stop validating these people by lathering them with attention

Eggman's dead, though. And we can't just ignore a school shooting.

Future shooters are still alive, and making everyone who shoots up a school a national celebrity isn't dissuading any of them.

Whatever. I did everything you're saying and I turned out fine. Had plenty of friends who did, too. You can post statistics all you want, but don't try to say this is an undoubtable constant for everyone.

attempting to generalize political beliefs in one simple quote is a terrible idea.

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 08:03:07 PM

I'm perfectly happy with the choices I've made. Any discontent with myself is about things that are beyond my control.

Personally, I don't think so. But I'll take your word for it on it.

Do you honestly think that having the time of my life when I was a teenager has made me unhappy? You could at least argue for less intelligent, but I have an academic record to refute that. Like I said, anything I dislike about myself isn't anything that I can change, much less that would be changed by not drinking when I was younger.

You can talk from your personal experiences, but they're just that. You have no real argument here, just a geographical observation.

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 07:26:34 PM

Wow. I wish people would stop assuming that drinking at an early age means you're destined for failure. Way to be ignorant and judgmental.

 And if you haven't noticed, Sand, we're not even talking about the specific example in the OP at this point, but underage drinking in general.

Well, lemme see here. How about personal examples?

Let's see. There's my class. All the early birds to drinking and drugs turned out to be total fucking losers. Let's see, I've got a friend who was in a class ahead of me, a friend who was in a class behind me, and all the kids in those classes who started out with drugs or alcohol are total fucking losers.

That makes three classes of about 24-28 kids each, having approximately half of their number turn out to be total fucking losers.

I'm not assuming anything here class. I like to study people. And the consistent pattern I see in young and old people without fail, is that drinking or drugs from a young age, in almost 100% of instances, makes for poor people when growing up and being tossed out into the real world.

What starts out as something cool at a young age leads to addiction or just a habit. And once people go through with aging, those addictions and habits are cemented like fucking concrete. It's all they know, and all they're capable of.

Oh ya, I just thought of another group of kids a few grades down who had the same thing happen to them.

It's practically a fact, Class. Drinking or drugs from an early age, without quitting?

The kid's fucked.

Ridiculous. I started drinking and smoking when I was 14 and I got fantastic test scores and now in a great college. Assuming that "100%" of people are going to turn out to be losers is a dumb generalization to make.