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« on: April 03, 2016, 11:06:04 PM »
I couldn't care less about the prosperity of our society define "prosperity"
The tangible progression and advancement of our country. How big our cities are, how big our military is, how bug our GDP is, etc. I guess "couldn't care less" is an exaggeration, but it's still not nearly as important as the morality of our society.
13142
« on: April 03, 2016, 11:04:01 PM »
RIP where were you when you heard the news
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« on: April 03, 2016, 11:00:18 PM »
Then that's obviously not equality, and your title is wrong. That was the joke.
The focus of the outrage is that, even without this, even with regular admissions tests, women who do just as well or better than men aren't allowed to do the same things they're doing.
We've been over the reasons for this, but that's not really the point of this thread.
I don't give a fuck what the point of this shitty thread is, and your "reasons" are nothing more than justifcations of sexism. If you're going to bitch that women are getting some kind of preferential treatment here, you're even more of a misogynist than I thought.
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« on: April 03, 2016, 10:56:18 PM »
Literally no one said that. The issue is that a woman who passes every single thing that the man sitting next to her does isn't allowed the same assignments he is.
Did you read the article? The standards were lowered to ensure women could get in, because women cannot reliably meet the same standards men can. That's the focus of the outrage, here.
Then that's obviously not equality, and your title is wrong. The focus of the outrage is that, even without this, even with regular admissions tests, women who do just as well or better than men aren't allowed to do the same things they're doing.
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« on: April 03, 2016, 10:46:48 PM »
And yes, if a mentally retarded person passed every test and requirement that's required to enlist, it would be wrong to deny him that.
But it's unfair to expect the mentally ill to meet the standards of the healthy. We have to lower them to make sure they can get in.
Literally no one said that. The issue is that a woman who passes every single thing that the man sitting next to her does isn't allowed the same assignments he is.
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« on: April 03, 2016, 10:44:13 PM »
So coveting thy neighbors wife doesn't mean that you get stoned or anything, I guess. That's not in there whatsoever.
Say what you want about this "well WE dont INTERPRET ours like they do theirs", there's just as much messed up crap in the Bible as there is in the Qur'an.
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« on: April 03, 2016, 10:43:04 PM »
Women have a right to enlist in the military
They do. And they do.
Women aren't allowed on the frontlines.
There's valid biological reasons for that.
I don't give a shit. If they pass every test and fulfill every requirement that men serving on the front lines had to, then they deserve to be there.
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« on: April 03, 2016, 10:41:35 PM »
Discrimination is immoral because we don't choose the way we're born. We have the duty to ensure that anyone born in our country has the same rights, priveleges, and treatment under the law that anyone else born in our country does. Women have a right to enlist in the military because men have a right to enlist in the military.
This isn't that hard.
So, by this logic, we should allow the mentally retarded to serve on the font lines?
After all, they didn't choose to be born that way.
Birth defect =/= demographic And yes, if a mentally retarded person passed every test and requirement that's required to enlist, it would be wrong to deny him that.
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« on: April 03, 2016, 10:22:40 PM »
Women have a right to enlist in the military
They do. And they do.
Women aren't allowed on the frontlines.
13150
« on: April 03, 2016, 10:19:41 PM »
So you put the tangible, short-term "good" of your society over doing the objectively morally correct thing. Aren't you a lefty? I thought the "good" of society was your whole deal.
What makes discrimination so inherently immoral? On what basis do women have a right to serve in the military?
How shortsighted and childish.
I am rubber, you are glue.
I couldn't care less about the prosperity of our society, why the hell do you think that's my whole deal? I care about the morality of our society. Discrimination is immoral because we don't choose the way we're born. We have the duty to ensure that anyone born in our country has the same rights, priveleges, and treatment under the law that anyone else born in our country does. Women have a right to enlist in the military because men have a right to enlist in the military. This isn't that hard.
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« on: April 03, 2016, 10:14:44 PM »
muh "unit cohesion"
That makes some sense to me. I haven't seen the data, so I can't say for sure, but I can definitely see that being a factor.
Morality is more important than a strong military. We use our troops for shit reasons in the first place; our military doesn't need to be 1/3 the size it is.
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« on: April 03, 2016, 10:11:43 PM »
Exactly, so disdain the people. Don't say one religion is more extreme than the other because of the way people in third world countries are using it to take over an area. The religions themselves are pretty close when it comes to what they preach, how impoverished people in the Middle East interpret it has no bearing on that.
Islam is quite obviously more inclined to violence than Christianity is. I'm sorry that's such an offensive notion, but it's true.
Islam's most revered figure is a merchant-turned-warlord. Every significant male figure in Islam was a warlord or conqueror of some kind. I mean, fuck, they were at each other's throats almost the minute the prophet died. It's early success came not from proselytization, but from military conquest using it as a unifying force to turn Arabia from a backwater into a (temporarily) unified and influential nation. The history of bloodshed is there.
To compare this propensity for violence to the historical violent applications of Christianity or Judaism demonstrates a blatant lack of knowledge of both Judeo-Christian AND Islamic history and theology.
If Christians interpreted the Bible as strictly as Muslim terrorists interpret the Qur'an, ISIS would be the least of our problems. There's just as much fucked up shit in both books. You can use as many big words as you want, that doesn't change that fact.
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« on: April 03, 2016, 10:08:29 PM »
Were women not previously allowed to be on the front lines, or did they have to meet the male standards of physical ability or something?
Even if a woman did everything a male could do and more, she's not allowed in. muh "unit cohesion"
13154
« on: April 03, 2016, 10:06:55 PM »
"I support discrimination because it makes our military stronger"
Literally fuck off.
"Discrimination is bad, even when it is objectively beneficial"
Please stop baiting.
So you put the tangible, short-term "good" of your society over doing the objectively morally correct thing.
How shortsighted and childish. You're trying way too hard to be cool and edgy with these new political opinions, Door.
The morally correct thing is to discriminate. Our doctrine means that a squad is only as strong as the weakest member, and for every soldier wounded, three are out of the fight.
When lives are at stake gender politics take a back seat to real standards and physical prowess.
Absolutely not. If we have to discriminate to have a good military, we don't deserve one.
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« on: April 03, 2016, 10:06:04 PM »
The study found: 'We know that women are built differently to men β higher fat mass, less muscle mass, less cardio output, which leads to greater/quicker energy deficit than men and they have to work harder to achieve the same output.'
So in other words "Maybe the average woman shouldn't be in a combat arms position
If a study came out tomorrow that said black men are only half as effective in combat as white men, would you prohibit African-Americans from enlisting in the military? A boost in combat effectiveness doesn't matter if you have to discriminate against certain demographics to get it.
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« on: April 03, 2016, 10:03:31 PM »
"I support discrimination because it makes our military stronger"
Literally fuck off.
"Discrimination is bad, even when it is objectively beneficial"
Please stop baiting.
So you put the tangible, short-term "good" of your society over doing the objectively morally correct thing. How shortsighted and childish. You're trying way too hard to be cool and edgy with these new political opinions, Door.
13157
« on: April 03, 2016, 09:57:06 PM »
"I support discrimination because it makes our military stronger"
Literally fuck off.
13158
« on: April 03, 2016, 09:27:58 PM »
That's religion for you. Islam is just as bad as Christianity.
LMAO
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Christianity promotes hatred and discrimination, Islam promotes hatred and discrimination. I'm not saying all the followers of each religion are hateful, but the base texts of both certainly encourage it.
Sure, but who cares?
The Old Testament is probably worse than the Qur'an, but why should that matter? We don't have a problem with Jewish militancy on the same level we have one with Islamic militancy. What matters is the way people act.
Exactly, so disdain the people. Don't say one religion is more extreme than the other because of the way people in third world countries are using it to take over an area. The religions themselves are pretty close when it comes to what they preach, how impoverished people in the Middle East interpret it has no bearing on that.
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« on: April 03, 2016, 08:54:47 PM »
Man, I love a country that treats innocent people as criminals. Seriously, the only thing these people did wrong was being born. No one controls who they're related to. This is fucking ridiculous.
And before you say "lol but look it gets results!!", a lot of evil and immoral shit gets results. Doesn't mean we should do that blatantly evil and immoral shit.
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« on: April 03, 2016, 07:59:00 PM »
That's religion for you. Islam is just as bad as Christianity.
LMAO
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Christianity promotes hatred and discrimination, Islam promotes hatred and discrimination. I'm not saying all the followers of each religion are hateful, but the base texts of both certainly encourage it.
>hippie propaganda
If I was the typical leftist character this forum likes to invent, I wouldn't criticize Islam in the slightest.
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« on: April 03, 2016, 07:34:25 PM »
I don't like old comedies, most of the bits that were original in their time are cliche and overdone now.
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« on: April 03, 2016, 06:52:07 PM »
That's religion for you. Islam is just as bad as Christianity.
LMAO
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Christianity promotes hatred and discrimination, Islam promotes hatred and discrimination. I'm not saying all the followers of each religion are hateful, but the base texts of both certainly encourage it.
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« on: April 03, 2016, 05:51:08 PM »
"As little as possible..."
13164
« on: April 03, 2016, 04:20:47 AM »
That's religion for you. Islam is just as bad as Christianity.
13165
« on: April 03, 2016, 04:17:09 AM »
I'm serious.
13166
« on: April 03, 2016, 12:05:21 AM »
I mean nothing he says is really that wrong
But he's also a fucking weirdo
and pprobably suffers from aspergers
Just parroting shit established on 4chan months or years ago.
OH GOD AND THEN HE HAD TO START IN ON MUH INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM MUH ECONOMIC PROSPERITY MUH TECHNOLOGICAL PROGRESS MUH TOLERANCE fucking spare me
As if tolerance and individual rights aren't some of the most important traits to foster in a society...
It's actually economic prosperity, scientific advancement, feats of engineering, military might, and patronship of the arts. Your civilization can be the most tolerant in the world, but that still means fuck all when said civilization leaves no legacy to it's name.
When the US dies, do you think we're going to remembered for our tolerance of minorities? Fuck no. We're going to be remembered for our cultural contributions and the fact we put a man on the Moon.
Legacy doesn't mean shit. People remember your society? Big fucking deal. Morality is more important than legacy, any day.
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« on: April 02, 2016, 08:03:54 PM »
this is so transparent Cheat
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« on: April 02, 2016, 06:14:24 PM »
He didn't bring back kinder lmao
you guys are so guillable
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« on: April 02, 2016, 06:01:57 PM »
Dogs for sure
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