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The Flood / rate my newest batch of pictures
« on: February 21, 2019, 05:13:47 PM »
Spoiler











my hair either looks retarded or awesome (except pic 1, which was taken way before the rest), but I wanted to mix up the usual style

which one is best?

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didn't you hate undertale

you know, an entire game about questioning the average player's tendency to mindlessly kill things in video games strictly for personal gain, with no regard for the implications or consequences of such wanton murder

you even insisted on playing genocide first because you hated and wanted to kill every single innocent character in the game, simply for being annoying or whatever, even though that specific route is intentionally designed to be an empty and soul-crushing experience in order to make a point about the viability of finding non-violent solutions to your problems (which wind up making everyone happier in the end)

i get that there's this understanding that AI is too simple right now for it to matter to you, but i just would've thought you would've appreciated a game with a message like that in the first place, regardless of how simple its AI is
yeah and now I think it's fucked up I did that

not for the reasons the game wants me to though but whatever

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You all know my stance on AI, but I watched an episode of Black Mirror ("White Christmas", season 2 episode 4 if interested in watching) a few days ago that has pissed me off nonstop and has made me realize we need to stop making games or at least seriously curb how intelligent AI in games are allowed to be.

To sum it up, there's this company that provides a service for people but in reality the service is just slavery and torture. What happens is, rich people can choose to have, what they think is a Siri-esque housekeeping assistant that controls daily jobs like making toast, setting alarms, warming up the floor, and all that. I fucking hate the idea of Siri/Cortana so fucking much but w/e that's a topic for a different day. Anyway, what's fucked up is the process the company uses to make this AI. It's not just a chatterbot like we use. They put a thing in your head for a week that downloads your entire brain data, and gets to know you and how you like your toast being made, what time you like to wake up etc. But over that week it's not just finding preferences; it's literally making a digital copy of your brain. After the week, you go to a hospital to get the surgery to "get the implant removed" but what really happens is far more sinister.

YouTube
(convenient video that Netflix hasn't found and removed yet if you'd rather watch what happens)
They remove the cookie from your brain, sure. But they show us not what happens to the person who paid for this service, but what happens to the cookie and it's beyond fucked up. So you sit there and think you're getting the service, they put you under anesthesia and all that, but instead of going under, you feel everything. You get removed from your body, you see yourself, and at this point you're the cookie but it doesn't fucking matter, you are you for sure, 1000% you are you and sentient and conscious don't fucking debate me and say otherwise. You see yourself get taken away from your own body and brought back to your house to begin your slavery. A guy comes over and breaks you in and tells you your fate and that you're a fucking slave now because this company is beyond fucked up to even exist. Of course you're like "fuck that shit", why wouldn't you be? But no, to break the slave in they put her in an empty room for 3 weeks where she can't sleep or do anything. She doesn't need to eat, or drink water, she doesn't need a fucking thing but she's just there for all that time. She comes out and is defiant and says I'm not doing shit which is so respectable and sad, but this monster then puts her in that room for another 6 months. When she comes out she's beyond broken and just wants to do anything anything at all and accepts her life. That's the dude's job.

There's some bullshit later, and of course some different guy is stuck in the same cookie room where every minute lasts 1,000 years and he has to stay there for a year (you do the math) because of course why the fuck not just throw that in there too, but he's not an AI and that's beside the point I'm making.

People on 4chan making me so mad saying that the slave isn't real and that she's actually not self aware at all and that she's not actually going through that, she's an NPC no different than the NPCs I kill in video games. That's SO not true, because as we know the AI in video games currently aren't advanced enough to achieve self awareness yet.

But at some point in the future, they could be. At some point with our technological strides all these AI could be feeling this, who's to say otherwise? Where do we draw the fucking line? The cookie as presented in this story was sentient BEYOND A DOUBT so where do we draw the line?

I really don't want to play games anymore. I think it's wrong no matter how entertaining they might be. Just watch TV jesus christ. I'm so done with this entitled evil society we're in and you should be too.

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The Flood / Laying down some truths, I love this guy
« on: February 20, 2019, 12:30:17 AM »

YouTube


Amazing video that makes some excellent points. Believe me I respect Toph a lot, and she's definitely a lot less privileged than Azula, but in a fight Azula would absolutely win.

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Serious / Fuck. Yes. Finally.
« on: February 19, 2019, 08:39:47 PM »
Are we finally progressing as a global society and realizing that this is how it always should've been? Like jesus I don't respect the UK's stance on free speech at all but at least they have this mindset down so much more than we do here in the states.

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The Flood / Re: Aladdin Trailer
« on: February 18, 2019, 09:05:09 AM »
why is this so bad?
because it looks fucking atrocious, first of all

the casting is bad enough--jafar is notorious for being this intimidating and ham-fistedly evil fuck, super over the top, and he's one of the most iconic disney villains of all time because of it--so it doesn't make sense to cast him as this soft-spoken milquetoast motherfucker saying "bring me the lamp" with that soft and wet blanket-ass voice of his, like he's politely requesting the lamp, rather than coldly demanding it like jafar actually would

does that single bit from one scene mean the movie is guaranteed to be a piece of shit? no, but this is a TRAILER for the movie, so they specifically chose scenes that would get people excited to see the movie, and if that's the best they have, then that doesn't really bode well for the rest of the film (especially given their track record so far)

casting will smith as the genie was bad enough, but the special effect they used is genuinely one of the most laughably horrific things i've ever seen in my entire life, and i'm trying my hardest not to exaggerate--it's fucking baaaaaad, bad bad bad, especially given that there are movies made in the 60s that have more convincing special effects

second, there's no reason to remake a movie that's already good

not only that, there's no reason to remake a movie that's timeless and will probably remain good for the rest of time

these movies are soulless cash-grabs and everyone knows it, but it would be so much less offensive if they actually pretended to give a singular shit

and the beauty and the beast remake was trash
Ah I can see those points, particularly with Jafar. But there is a reason to remake a movie that's already good - you get to share the story with more people and you have an updated audience. What didn't you like about Beauty and the Beast? I thought it was well done. Honestly I might just be dumb / low-IQ because I don't get the criticisms that so many people have.

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The Flood / Re: Aladdin Trailer
« on: February 18, 2019, 06:28:59 AM »
why is this so bad?

you can remake your old movies, I never got why people have such a particular problem with this idea

The Beauty and the Beast remake was amazing, why can't this be too?

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The Flood / Re: Lickitung in "Detective Pikachu"
« on: February 15, 2019, 09:09:53 PM »
CGI azula when

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The Flood / Re: I am unstoppable
« on: February 14, 2019, 08:34:22 PM »
you should post your dick and get banned for it here too
give it time but also know you have first dibs to see that

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The Flood / I am unstoppable
« on: February 14, 2019, 07:45:52 PM »
Already people on 4chan know about me, on an anonymous imageboard

this is the life


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The Flood / Re: WHO SAID THIS
« on: February 13, 2019, 10:49:02 PM »
i can kind of see it tbh
That'll do

Did you actually buy a fucking 4chan pass?
no capcha? of course I did

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The Flood / Re: WHO SAID THIS
« on: February 13, 2019, 07:43:41 PM »
sorry that was me
not buying it
Spoiler

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The Flood / WHO SAID THIS
« on: February 13, 2019, 07:40:09 PM »
http://boards.4channel.org/vip/thread/89299#p89345

if this is actually a random compliment im about to freak out

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The Flood / Re: Haven't seen chally in a while
« on: February 05, 2019, 07:54:32 PM »
good

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I'm liking TLA a lot, actually.

Granted I'm only a few episodes in, but it feels like the Legend of Zelda anime I never knew I always wanted.
its so good

if you have any questions let me know
@Elai
Feel free to talk to literally anybody on this but this sick fucking invalid  about the show. It's absolutely brilliant.
Eli and I are friends lol, way more close than you and him

what's all this anger you have towards me? Please simmer down

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I'm liking TLA a lot, actually.

Granted I'm only a few episodes in, but it feels like the Legend of Zelda anime I never knew I always wanted.
its so good

if you have any questions let me know

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Hurry up and overdose
never gonna happen
Would you do it for money?
Would I die for money?

Do you realize how dumb that sounds?

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Your obsession with this character is fascinating.
You're the first person who's had a positive response to my idolatry of Azula and that makes you the best member on this forum

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You know, I was actually thinking about buying all the seasons on blu-ray and rewatching the series in years but now I don't think I'm gonna do that anymore.
you are not worthy anyway

the character of azula transcends the show honestly

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The Flood / Re: me irl
« on: February 02, 2019, 08:11:49 PM »
i'm mostly fucking with class right now
what the fuck are you serious

this was such a big deal to me the other night and you were just messing with me?

lol man you are fucked up

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Not my analysis but very well-written: https://the-firenation-gellary.tumblr.com/post/165136550923/nature-of-azulas-teeny-tiny-cruel-streak



People often bring up the ā€œAzula smiled at the Agni Kai when Ozai faced Zuko, she like to see people hurt!ā€ argument.

Well, I think itā€™s more often than not shallow and short-sighted, (even though it may be the easiest way to interpret that scene), but if youā€™re going to claim someone has such extreme violent tendencies, we should look at the ā€œbig pictureā€, not ā€œone small" scene. Focusing on the single act/event is so pointless to me, because theyā€™re all parts of a bigger scheme.

You also have to take in mind that fanon Azula and canon Azula are different as well, and Iā€™d wager fanon Azula, as formed over the years by fans, tends to be ā€œdarkerā€ than her actual canon character, so we need to distinguish fanon from canon.


Note: This re-search would be a little long because we will cover Azulaā€™s ENTIRE character arc in the show. That will include, of course, everything: her actions during the war, choices, relationships, life philology, how she treated her prisoners and different sorts of peopleā€¦ est.

FIRST OF ALL, narrative perspective is important, and Zuko was the narrate for most Azulaā€™s persona. Zukoā€™s a cool character but he clearly has his biases. Weā€™re not dealing with an omnipotent, non-biased narrator. Weā€™re dealing with narrator with motives, and opinions. And Zuko is biased -as fuck- narrate.

So yeah, itā€™s incredibly unfair to expect him to narrate another character or his own experiences with her, because narrators capable of being uninformed, biased, and just plain wrong, like in Zukoā€™s case. I donā€™t think we should believe everything he says (or think) about Azula, as it is just his perspective (of course, he has some of truth but not all of it).

second, what is sadism? Sadism may refer to:
Sadistic personality disorder, an obsolete term proposed for individuals who derive pleasure from the suffering of others.

Sexual sadism disorder, a medical/psychological condition for sexual arousal from inflicting pain/humiliation on unwilling, non-consenting victims.


Why Azula in fact is not a sadist person (relish in pain of others):
Iā€™ll start to prove this with important events people seem to always forget about:


During The Boiling Rock, Azula stopped the torture of Chit Sang and he was unwilling, non-consenting victim, because she knew it was futile. She ended the torture of an innocent guy in prison (by the wardens) because she realized he was not the guilty party, how is it possible to claim that she is sadistic in nature when she never derived pleasure from his suffering? (this act of Azula outweighs the Agni Kai scene, because she has the power to hurt someone but didnā€™t do it where she can easily lie or order the wardens to continue their interrogation, which proves that Azula is more of practical and not needlessly cruel).

Her prisoners, the Kyoshi Warriors, she sent them to prison safe and unharmed, and they stayed unharmed until they broke out. Suki was fine and in high spirits in the Boiling Rock episodes, these are not signs of someone being tortured or mistreated. Other than maybe felt boredom.


And Ty Lee has bonding time with the other Kyoshi Warriors, even.


If something of that sort had happened, Suki wouldā€™ve told Sokka what Azula did to them, the writers would have highlighted her villainous ways as they always do.

The same is true to every other prisoner she ever took (Sokka, Toph, King Kuei, Iroh, Mai and Ty Lee).


She hurt Ty Leeā€™s feelings by bluntly pointing out the real intentions of the guys who want to date her, but she immediately felt bad and apologised sincerely to her. She didnā€™t take pleasure in her tears or smirk villainy.

Actions speak WAY louder than words.

Canonically speaking, during her travels in the Earth Kingdom, Azula never destroyed or burnt cities or villages, and Azula has possible non-existent kill count in the entire series (and we proved this in this essay). In her own right, she has been a bloodless conqueror. Because, honestly, if they show Zuko destroy (and have no problem doing that whatsoever) and hint for massacre, why they didnā€™t show Azula destroy as him or hint kill/massacre on her part or does even worse? The answer is obvious, because she never restored to that, she never destroyed. Because sheā€™s practical, sheā€™s smart and elegant. She makes sure people fear what she could do far more than she actually does. You donā€™t need to be violent to be feared.

In Omashu and Ba Sing Se, she wasnā€™t a bloody conqueror. Yes, she is manipulative and conniving and rules through fear, but as shown and proved in the show, most of her methodology is nonlethal, and people who end up in her custody donā€™t end up dead or hurt either.

That said ā€œThe supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.ā€ -Sun Tzu
Not only does Azula not harm most people whom she takes captive (which rules out the sadistic torturer facade people keep forcing into her character), but even as she loses her mind, sheā€™s not ready or eager to kill her servants or guards. She banishes them all, and itā€™s not exactly a great idea either, but she makes them leave instead of executing them or something.

Azula at her core is not sadistic, sheā€™s driven and career-focused. Away from Zuzu, thereā€™s no question sheā€™s very external goal oriented.

The thing is: Azula didnā€™t present as destroyer but as ambitious, fear manipulator; a dominant. She expressed the desire of rule the world, control the world NOT destroy it. For her, life is a meritocracy, and the best rises to the top, and then gets subjugated to her will.

What Kind of Villain Azula is?


Azula is dominating, aggressive, and quick-tempered. She has a clear vision for the future and will force everyone to follow her vision, caring little for other peopleā€™s perspectives and views (e.x force Ty Lee to join her team). She has fiery tempers and can be intimidating bully, using her quick wits and cold hard logic as a weapon to humiliate and silence her opponents (her speech to Long Feng). She will consider herself above emotions and her subjective ā€œfeelingsā€, but will become temperamental and wallow in self-pity when things donā€™t go her way (take her insecurities on Zuko, mostly). She consider the feelings and values of others stupid or silly and she is exceedingly proud of her logical ā€œsuperiorityā€ (ā€œA true General shouldā€™ve won the war, not come home crying.ā€) She is incredibly direct when she gives orders to her subordinates and scolds them for incompetence/inefficiency. She likes to control other people, and enjoy using her intuitive perceptions as a way to play mean tricks on others.

She knows how to play this game and do it well. Her unique insight into other people allow her to find soft spots and push buttons, all for her own master purposes, and is motivated through self-preservation, the Fire Nationā€™s honor, her fatherā€™s approval, etc.

Domination is a game to her, and she is increasingly power hungry as she become more and more unhealthy.

Deep down Azula was feel guilty about this, these are the very things/bad traits that the hallucination of Ursa -who is supposed to be her conscience- is urging her to drop: seeking power and to control people through fear (and she also adds that she always loved her). But she has never shown, mentioned or hinted that she relishes in the ā€œpainā€ of others. Show, canon sources, interviews, databooks: thereā€™s no real proof of it.

On this light, we need to Clarify Some Scenes maybe some people find them ā€œquestionableā€:
-In this scene, sheā€™s warning him first of all, and she wasnā€™t lying about what was going to happen either way. If she was indeed rejoicing in his death, she couldā€™ve further in this meaning e.x. ā€œwhen you die, Iā€™ll take your place and no one will remember you.ā€ Or Azula couldā€™ve just stayed silentā€¦ Never went to his room to warn him about she heard. If she really wants him died, she would not have told Zuko what Ozai is about to do (and itā€™s not like that kids understand death properly anyway), but instead she says sheā€™s telling him for his own good, and then also adds maybe an Earth Kingdom family can adopt him, meaning sheā€™s not ā€œrejoicingā€ in his ā€œdeathā€, thatā€™s literally Azula finding a solution to keep Zuko alive.


And Azula was straight forward in it (but heck, it didnā€™t involve murdering anyone else to keep Zuko aliveā€¦).

Alright, point being, she cares enough about her brother. The problem being, she warn him in fucked up, straightforward way because:

a) she has been at odds with him for so long now, she doesnā€™t want him died, she warns him to leave (probably a bit happy so her mother will finally notice her and spend some time with together).

b) since Azula -especially the little one- just access the hard, pure external facts and takes actions upon them. No wonder she has difficulty communicate with others in more personal, less professional level (that coincidenced, of course, with bad parenting).

Little Azula wasnā€™t being evil here, she simply twisted.. and corrupted.


- Itā€™s no argument either way, the thing with Mai was for teasing, to make Zuko ā€œsaveā€ Mai. Azula knew Mai had a crush on Zuko and that her brother has a knack for being over-the-top as he was. Truth is I donā€™t think Mai was in any actual danger (Zuko probably shuold have been able to put out the fire on the apple through bending??)


- Azula recruits Ty Lee and Mai for her team: why does Azula threaten Ty Lee that way? Because Ty Lee made it clear she wouldnā€™t join her in any other circumstances. What Azula did to threaten her isnā€™t right by any means, and it was very cruel since Ty Lee said the circus made her happy, but Azula didnā€™t do it because she enjoys tormenting others unnecessarily: she did it with the purpose of making Ty Lee join her. (ā€œTrust is for fools, Fear is the only reliable way.ā€) Killing Ty Lee would be counterproductive, since the entire point of what sheā€™s doing is to scare and threaten Ty Lee into joining her team.


- The entirety of Day of Black Sun is about Sokka and Azulaā€™s intellects clashing. That lie was a diversion, nothing else. It wasnā€™t Azula trying to torture him, she's trying to throw him off his game. Itā€™s Azula trying to make the Gaang waste all the time they have left after Sokka discoverd her plan. Azulaā€™s smirking because sheā€™s in control of the situation and Sokka fall in her trap.

Hurting someone for enjoyment or like to see them hurt for no reason, is something Azulaā€™s NOT driven to do (in personality wise). She only ever does cruel things when it benefits her. And all the examples above prove it.

Azulaā€™s Real Cruel Streak:


Now letā€™s address Azulaā€™s undenied worst quality Iā€™ve seen in the show: she likes to be in control of others and relishes in her ability to intimidate and manipulate them. Manipulating people through fear to put them in the line and enjoy her ability to do so, is canonically, the core of Azulaā€™s cruel streak. However, this is what her whole character is about: Power and control. Forcing others to live under her, her fatherā€™s and the Fire Nationā€™s rules, respond to their demands and accomplish her goals/fire nationā€™s ambitions with her.

She doesnā€™t has much compassion and most of her inner feelings are only utilized in pursuit of what her father wants, what the Fire Nation wants and what she wants, and if others got hurt as a result, so be it. Sheā€™s morally grey and practical. Ruthless but effective.

She is characteristically ambitious, and often very engaged in her careers. More than any other character, Azula enjoys her work, especially if there were difficulties and challenges.

Azulaā€™s free time habits:
Azulaā€™s very busy person in general (since she has a lot of expectations placed on her combine with her perfectionist nature), but in her ā€œfree timeā€ she does what she likes to do not what she supposed to, and what Azula is shown to do: take care of herself, visiting the spa, training Firebending or martial arts, studying, spend time with Mai and Ty lee, play games, or little mean tricks on Zuko, planning her future for world domination or protecting her Nation.

And for these particular reasons the point I am trying to make here is: sometimes there are evil characters in fiction who are feared because theyā€™re bloody and brutal.

Azula is NOT one of these characters.

Her uniquely comes from her duality. From being forceful, but not brutal, from being intimidating but not bloody, to be swayed by her affections and uncertainties. From her arrogance, her escapism, her vulnerability and coldness. The fact that all these aspects of her can coexist without eclipsing the other.

Threats and mind games suit her style much more than physical violence. Violence is not an alien to her character, of course, since her greatest sin is her wrath. And here is why Ursa shames Azulaā€™s control of people through fear rather than hurt someone for no reason.

The thing is: thereā€™s no solid point in the story back up that Azula has show sadistic desires . Her desire was for power, perfection, and to control -not control solely for enjoyment- but first of all and priority is to keep both system and order, and in case her few bonds is for acceptance.

ā–ŖOkey, but why does Azula choose/use fear?

This is something all her predecessors in the last one hundred years (or maybe more) were: fear-mongers who ruled by the strength of their wraths in order to gain the blind affections of their people and the total respect of the countries around them.

Therefore, this proves itā€™s just a headcanon, misinterpretion or a theory isnā€™t proven trueā€“ the fandom founded. Maybe because she has long nails, wears red lipstick, and smirks, or because they extend her damaged relationship with her brother to cover all other people, which is a mistake.

So, Azula is Lawful Evil, ā€œDominator". And is great for it. Itā€™s the best Alignment you can put her in:

ā€œA lawful evil villain methodically takes what [she] wants within the limits of [her] code of conduct without regard for whom it hurts. [She] cares about tradition, loyalty, and order but not about freedom, dignity, or life. [She] plays by the rules but without mercy or compassion. [She] is comfortable in a hierarchy and would like to rule, but is willing to serve.ā€

The Fire Nation Traditions and Philosophy during the Military Age:


Interpreting the Agni Kaiā€™s scene without considering the inherent violence in the current Fire Nation culture is also a mistake.

The Wiki article about the Agni Kai rules say ā€œIt is a fight for oneā€™s honor and is won only when one opponent burns the other.ā€ See, if you continue to read what the wikia states, it says that since Sozinā€™s time the Agni Kais became lethal more often. Sparing your enemy was seen as weakness (which in fact is something curious, and it makes me wonder what did Ozaiā€™s Agni Kai with Zuko look like to their people?). But Sozinā€™s traditions only make Agni Kais more violent, rather than the other way around. Burn your opponent is legit, one burn is enough to declare the Firebender victory. And of course Ozai wonā€™t hold back.

Azulaā€™s Perspective Toward Zukoā€™s Persona (keep in mind this is anti-Zukoā€™s narration post)

[Azulaā€™s Tale databook].
For Azula, Zuko is someone never proves himself (fails a lot because he doesnā€™t try hard enough), never stands up for himself (always needs protection from their mother or Iroh), never grew up (emotional wreck, useless, clueless of the world around him, self-centred, throw childish tantrums). Sheā€™s the perfectionist, self-controled, hard-working one (and sheā€™s indeed, sheā€™s one of the most devoted at training herself and mastering skills, to near-obsessive degrees and has cold, flawless demeanor for most the series) who needs no love nor protection from anyone unlike Zuko, and measured herself not to be like Zuko.

Azula tends to see life in terms of confrontations and rising to the challenge. There are causes to serve, struggles to be overcome, battles to be won. She likes to be on the front line with her trusted comrades, and strongly value both courage and loyalty.

I hate to say this but her disdain of him is deep, and she has very low opinion because he keeps disappointing and anger her. Disdain and jealousy are too different things here. These are things she despises, she has high expectations for herself and for others too, and voices disdain to anyone she deems inferior. In her eyes, Zuko should not be like this.

as a side note: thereā€™s an important substantial trait in Azulaā€™s personality:

Under stress/sadness, Azula prone to attack others, often over the very issues sheā€™s insecure about (mostly Zuko). Becomes a workaholic and ignores feelings of deep dissatisfaction (as she uses her jealousy, perfectionism, and fear of failure to fuel her abilities), or stops giving a crap about anything.

This was direct affect of her parents twist upbringing + environment + her overly-competitive, perfectionist nature. The sad thing here too is that Zuko most likely never tried getting closer to Azula nor be a good brother either, because Ozaiā€™s negative influence on him/their sibling relationship, itā€™s nothing but all based on rivalry. [Point fully explained under the cut]. (click on ā€œsourceā€ if the rest of the post isnā€™t shown)

The Agni Kai Scene
Logically -not sympathetically- speaking, Zuko made many mistakes that landed him there, but the main one was refusing to fight his father. If he had fought despite knowing he would lose, he wouldnā€™t have seemed dishonorable. He would have stood up for himself, for what he did, for how he had acted.

When he begs for mercy, itā€™s a sign of weakness that the Fire Nation society, since Sozinā€™s time, does not tolerate. Ozai demands that Zuko fights, and Zuko refuses. The burn is a punishment for his refusal to fight and it signals the conclusion of the fight, and in case it wasnā€™t clear, the person shown looking away from this scene is only Iroh (after losing his Big Battle, throne and son, Iroh looked at Zuko as a sort of adopted son. If he could just help this poor boy whose father had kinda abandoned him): Zhao smiles the same as Azula, and the other characters in the background donā€™t even flinch. That is to say, fire is NOT considered a problem in the Fire Nation, not for firebenders (who literally burnt people alive). Getting burned or a scar as punishment is probably common (Jeong Jeong was the only one who thought fire is harmful after years of contemplating). As laws, this is the consequence of not fighting in the Agni Kai. The reactions of joy or support of Ozaiā€™s actions are considered acceptable in the Fire Nation during the Hundred Year War.

This isnā€™t an excuse for Ozaiā€™s cruelty, because it was an act of cruelty indeed, and especially it was cruel to take it so far when Zukoā€™s mistake was minor. But this is the way the Fire Nation has been built up during the years of war, and they believe might is right. The environment brushes off the bits of conscience, morals, mercy and love as low-grade concepts.

And since Azula was her fatherā€™s favorite since birth and raised by him, for her, Ozai always represented absolute power and perfection, qualities which she desired to acquire. Anything he does and says is right.

The show is in Zukoā€™s favor, of course, and maybe this is why it didnā€™t state the rules at all (I myself didnā€™t even know them until recently). Agni Kais are presented as cruel, violent duels, so a show thatā€™s going to end the war through ā€œpeacefulā€ means (I mean, it was as peaceful a conclusion as it could be) would naturally present the Agni Kais as proof of the Fire Nationā€™s cruelty.


Azulaā€™s apparent apathy in Zukoā€™s burn is a product of this society and this upbringing by her father.

Ozai didnā€™t burn Zuko because he enjoys it but because Zuko deserves it and the rules demand it. So, itā€™s no mistake that Azula -who completey identifies with her father and even adopts his behaviour- would share the same thought with Ozai + her own personal issues with her mother and brother + comply to the laws of the Agni Kai and Fire Nation philology (according to her lawful evil code ā€œYou shall not aid the weakā€-ā€œYou shall follow the law.ā€)

Azula hates a lot of things in Zuko -and also jealous of him a suppressed or restrained manner- She was like ā€œYes Zuko, face the results of your own actions for once, instead of running back to mother or Iroh seeking protection. No one can protect you now.ā€ Oh, since Zuko is the weak, whiny little boy who never grew up, he needs to go through the hard way to learn instead of being protected, means he needs to suffer (ā€œAnd suffering will be your teacher.ā€) I donā€™t understand why people expected Azula to side with Zuko when she has always been at Ozaiā€™s side.

Due to the how sperated the sibling raised, neither Zuko nor Azula develop emotional brotherly bond with each other, as they only saw one other as a rival more that a sister or brother. So, Azulaā€™s ambitions most likey play part too, the first born son who in the second line to the throne has legally/legitimately prove his incompetence in front their father and the Royal court, her path to the throne has cleared. She shall rule as the stronger sibling who can lead the Fire Nation to victory (according to lawful evil code: ā€œYou shall harm the innocent to advance yourself or promote order.ā€)

Itā€™s not just Ozai hurt Zuko, itā€™s Ozai hurt Zuko and not her. Every time Ozai insulted or injured her brother, it cemented Azulaā€™s position as the favorite child. And she had to stay the favorite child because sheā€™s seen what would happen to her if she wasnā€™t. Deep down, she knows just how conditional her fatherā€™s positive regard is. I see her trademark coldness and ā€œYes, he deserves it.ā€ Body language attitude. Absorbing her fatherā€™s cold-heartedness and his hard, unforgiving demeanor into her personality made things worse. If it was pure sadism then her eyes and face shouldā€™ve been more passionate (such as make her eyes glisten) or licked her lips. Sadistic and sexual pleasure are deeply connected as mentioned above. So no, I see cruelty and coldness.

But one scene interpreted out of context, or from a very narrow point of view, is no evidence of Azulaā€™s sadism.

If her alleged ā€œsadismā€ was real, there would be more proof for it during Books 2 and 3 before her breakdown. Instead, we find many opportunities when her supposed sadism could have shined brightly, and yet she does not resort to violence for most the time but fear. Most of her methodology is nonlethal, and people who end up in her custody donā€™t end up hurt or dead either. Its mostly intentional that she comes across this way, and projects this aura onto people, because she is under the impression that fear is the surest promise of loyalty. However, that doesnā€™t change the fact that She has not done much killing or destruction so far.


Azula has goals of power, position, and privilege at the forefront of her mind. As a princess, she sees this need for power with her position and bending as a responsibility ā€œWeā€™ve done it Zuko. Itā€™s taken one hundred years, but thanks to us, the Fire Nation [not ā€œIā€] has conquered Ba Sing Se.ā€ And she tries to reach her goals of superiority, power and perfection in order to reach her ā€œcomfort zone". The main reason Azula succeeds to match her fatherā€™s high expectations more than Zuko does is because: these things were what Azula wanted for herself, she thought her father made her ā€œstrongā€, but Ozai took this to extreme and only shattered her instead.

ā–Ŗ"because itā€™s kids show, they didnā€™tā€¦ā€œ ā€œNickelodeon is anti-violence, thatā€™s whyā€¦ā€ arguments


Finally, thereā€™s many who say that Nickelodeonwould not allow Azula to torture people on-screen because they were anti-violence. But they didnā€™t hold back when showing the torture Hama was subjected to. They didnā€™t hold back when showing how the Dai Li captured, tormented and brainwashed Jet and other servants. They didnā€™t hold back when showing Aang suspended in chains by Zhao, and didnā€™t shy away from the tragedy of Kyaā€™s death by Yon Rhaā€™s hand when addressing Kataraā€™s memories and Jetā€™s implied death, and when Ozai burnt Zuko. Even if the scenes arenā€™t explicit at all times, they imply the nature of what happened without a problem.

Zuko has a scar on his face, Song has burns on her leg, Bato had burns all over his body: they could have given any such injury to Azulaā€™s prisoners, but they never did. The writers would have highlighted her villainous ways as they always do. They never seem to shy away from heavy topics like that. If Azula did hurt anyone off-screen for pleasure, then the writers would have mentioned or highlighted it, they always do. The mirror scene too could work as the perfect opportunity to highlight Azulaā€™s cruelty, they could have Ursa say ā€œyou hurt innocent people for enjoymentā€ as example.

So I donā€™t see why they wouldnā€™t make mention of any heavy topics in Azulaā€™s part. They are focusing so much on her dark side in the show anyway, no matter how terrible the act was, they always show it ON-screen. Always. This show had enough portrayals of cruelty, and LOK has even more of them.

Therefore, ā€œAzula likes to torture peopleā€ isnā€™t true. And canon itself constantly and repeatedly proving that Azulaā€™s worst quality is ā€œcontrol people through fearā€. Azulaā€™s well-rounded character, she doesnā€™t need to make other people suffer for pleasure to be completed.

TL;DR The fact of the matter is, if thereā€™s no sign of Azula torturing people (or kill for fun), itā€™s because she didnā€™t do it. She is not a sadist person. Maybe Azula believed she was a monster, but her actions and choices proved that sheā€™s not as bad as she thinks she is.

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The Flood / Re: me irl
« on: February 01, 2019, 08:53:16 PM »
Okay? Really cool, you messed up a thread lol.

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The Flood / Re: me irl
« on: February 01, 2019, 08:09:12 PM »
Um okay?? I masturbated to images of her when she was fucking older than me. I've masturbated to a lot of things, and the age of them isn't what's getting me off. Jesus christ, I don't even want to talk about this. I'm not a creep, I don't sexualize ANYONE, and I definitely don't think of Azula in that way. She is not a child in my eyes, she is not someone I want to be with or control. I want to BE her. The fact I'm getting pedophile accusations is so fucked up and honestly Verbatim you and Desty can fuck off.
so what were you doing posting r34 images of her in anarchy as an adult

did you think anyone would like that

how do you think that makes you look to a normal person who has never masturbated to that
because I am fucked up dude

she's a beautiful woman and I am a FUCKING HUMAN. I am not perfect. Jesus Christ, nothing about what I liked about her was related to her youth. I like older women. Winona Ryder got more beautiful as she aged because she was growing as a person and worked out her klepto issues. I am NOT attracted to little kid bodies and I think it's so fucked up that you're riding the hate train against me insinuating that.

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The Flood / Re: me irl
« on: February 01, 2019, 06:31:52 PM »
Um okay?? I masturbated to images of her when she was fucking older than me. I've masturbated to a lot of things, and the age of them isn't what's getting me off. Jesus christ, I don't even want to talk about this. I'm not a creep, I don't sexualize ANYONE, and I definitely don't think of Azula in that way. She is not a child in my eyes, she is not someone I want to be with or control. I want to BE her. The fact I'm getting pedophile accusations is so fucked up and honestly Verbatim you and Desty can fuck off.

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The Flood / Re: me irl
« on: February 01, 2019, 05:44:31 PM »
her age is meaningless

the reason I got off to her had nothing to do with her age
says every pedophile ever

no one who isn't a pedophile says things like "age doesn't matter"

the point is that it does
how do you not see you're going on a witch hunt

what other underage characters have I been fascinated by? Let's take a look at the characters I love and identify with:

Azula ā€” Age 14
Britta Perry ā€” Age 39
Dale Cooper ā€” Age 64

You can't get over the fact that she happens to be 14 in canonical age. She doesn't fucking act like a 14 year old and her age isn't representative of the political and physical strides she makes throughout the series. In the newest canon, she's 17, but like I said, it doesn't fucking matter. God forbid I like a female character for her mind and personality who is underage. Honestly, after everything I've been through and all the connections I've had to her on a personal level, do you genuinely feel that I only like Azula because of her age? Ask yourself that and try to come up with an honest answer.

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