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Gaming / Re: specs don't matter you silly bitch LMAO
« on: April 27, 2017, 04:01:02 PM »
tbh Chally I don't even know why you're arguing whether every single person should enjoy higher graphical quality. There will obviously be contrarians or true art aficionados such as Verb that will disagree, because enjoyment and art truly are subjective.
I don't care if you enjoy it or like it or not.

Just admit it's superior, because it objectively is. Nier looks better on PC than it does on PS4 or Xbox.
Not how it works.

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Gaming / Re: specs don't matter you silly bitch LMAO
« on: April 27, 2017, 03:15:57 PM »
"looking cool" is art bro. Art can be anything, you said it yourself.
Art CAN be anything, but that doesn't mean every single car is a work of art.

Even if you were right, what's the point? It doesn't change anything else that I'm saying.

Old technology can still be used to greater artistic effect than modern technology.

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No you haven't.
Yes I have. Games have literal teams of artists working on them.

Cars don't.

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le hipster meme
Okay?

I'd still do that for the sake of authenticity.

If I want to make an NES game, I'm working with NES technology. FUCK new technology.

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Gaming / Re: specs don't matter you silly bitch LMAO
« on: April 27, 2017, 02:38:05 PM »
Why?
Because there is nothing artful about a car. If anything, some of them are just designed to look "cool." Art goes far beyond simply looking cool.

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Videogames aren't art. I don't have to explain why, either.
They are art, and I have explained why.

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Why?
Authenticity.

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Gaming / Re: specs don't matter you silly bitch LMAO
« on: April 27, 2017, 02:15:53 PM »
People buy NES games all the time, by the way.

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Gaming / Re: specs don't matter you silly bitch LMAO
« on: April 27, 2017, 02:11:19 PM »
No it isn't. They're just a business making a product for money.
There's no reason why they can't be both.

There's every reason why a car manufacturer can't be both.
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Nobody's gonna buy a game on the NES. There are newer and, dare I say, better consoles.
Why should I give a single cunt what people are going to buy? That's not what art is about. I would make it for myself.

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But you'd still be using modern technology.
If I had the option to downgrade, I would.

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You sure?
Positive.

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The Flood / Re: Kek, this verbatim guy is still here
« on: April 27, 2017, 01:55:12 PM »
three threads begging me for attention over the course of a year

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Gaming / Re: specs don't matter you silly bitch LMAO
« on: April 27, 2017, 01:51:52 PM »
In that case games aren't art either because developers design games because they're a business and that's it.
Yet they have writers, illustrators, and musicians all working together to create it. It's art.

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Except we live in the real world where Nintendo makes games on the Wii U and Switch.
And?

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Also, you wouldn't make games with NES hardware, you'd make it on a computer and adapt it to play on a NES. Either way you'd be using improved modern technology.
In order to adapt it to play on an NES, I obviously have to limit myself severely with 30+ year old technology.

They absolutely contradict each other. Making cars is absolutely art. You sound just like the people who say video games aren't art.
Making cars isn't art in any way unless the manufacturer genuinely believes that it is, which they don't.

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Gaming / Re: specs don't matter you silly bitch LMAO
« on: April 27, 2017, 01:43:39 PM »
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Create something and declare it to be art. It is now art.
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That's not what I said at all
Which one is it Slurbatim?
Both, because they don't contradict each other at all.

No car manufacturer would say that car manufacturing is an art form, and if they would, they're bullshitting.

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Gaming / Re: specs don't matter you silly bitch LMAO
« on: April 27, 2017, 01:42:06 PM »
It's exactly what you said. You're the one playing word games by refusing to use the word better because you backed yourself into a corner and you realize that oh shit, there is such a thing as better and lesser hardware.
Nope. What I said is that it's possible for cars to be art, but no major car manufacturer produces cars for artistic purposes. They design them because they're a business and that's it.

I'm not saying it's not art because I said so. I'm saying it's not art because it's not art.
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Really? How so?
If I want to make an NES game, I need to work with NES hardware.

Therefore, NES hardware is BETTER for that specific job. Modern hardware is worse.

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Gaming / Re: specs don't matter you silly bitch LMAO
« on: April 27, 2017, 01:35:21 PM »
>anything can be art
>except cars fuck the people who design exotic looking cars there's no art involved there at all
Again, not what I said. I'm not gonna have an actual conversation with somebody who twists my words as badly as you do.

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It literally always is. A GTX 1070 is better than a 970.
Nope, not always.

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The Flood / Re: Favorite character ever
« on: April 27, 2017, 01:13:14 PM »
Tough question without showing my weeaboo card, Heath Joker and Bronson probably.

I need to see Bronson

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Gaming / Re: specs don't matter you silly bitch LMAO
« on: April 27, 2017, 12:45:11 PM »
No, it wasn't a result of the technology at the time. You yourself said they pushed "realism" in TP which utilised the same hardware.

The visual style and graphical simplicity of WW was an artistic choice made by the development team to a) allow the team to make Link more emotive, and b) allow their story to stand the test of time. Wind Waker has aged like a fine wine because of that choice. Far better than any other Zelda game has or will.

Of course, they sort of botched that message with WWHD, which compromised some of the original artistic merit that style had in favour of "graphical fidelity" or whatever other technical buzzwords nerds use now. But that's neither here nor there.
That's not what I'm saying. I'm not saying artstyle = technology they're limited by. I was ask, didn't they use the hardware to the best they could at the time they made WW, but obviously went with an artistic visual effect with it. The technology being the things allowed with the engine and handling of it, such as stable frames, pixels, etc.

I guess to make it sound simplier. I'm saying didn't they make WW look the way it did because they wanted to express it differently, not because they were limited. And while also expressing it differently, they still utilized the power of what the gamecube offered.

It's sort of hard to explain.
Yeah, sorry, you're going to have to explain yourself better. I don't really understand your argument here.
I think she's just trying to argue that Wind Waker, despite having a distinct style that doesn't seem very graphically demanding, still utilizes much of the GameCube's processing power in other aspects, such as animation or what have you. Less realistic graphics does not necessarily mean less demanding when the game is taken as a whole.

This whole point was brought up because I suggested that I could make a game with shitty/dated graphics just to prove the point that not all developers are interested in state-of-the-art technology.

Wind Waker is kind of a fuzzy example because the game is likely demanding in other ways beyond just the visuals. That's what I gathered from Luci's post.

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Gaming / Re: specs don't matter you silly bitch LMAO
« on: April 27, 2017, 12:11:13 PM »
"anything can be art except for these things that I tell you are not art"
That's not what I said at all, good job! :D

That's not even what I said earlier. You misread two posts.

You misread ALL of my posts, but you butchered those last two pretty brutally.
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I can think of how better hardware is better than older outdated inferior hardware
It can be, but not always.

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Gaming / Re: specs don't matter you silly bitch LMAO
« on: April 27, 2017, 12:01:16 PM »
Exactly
That pretty much rules out the motor industry.

You might find some yuppie faggot in the industry who thinks that automobiles are a form of art, but he's just a posturing yuppie dumbass. He doesn't genuinely believe that.
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You're a big guy

Stronger is better than weaker graphics cards ;^)
If that's what you prefer.

I can think of several artistic purposes for weaker graphics.

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Gaming / Re: specs don't matter you silly bitch LMAO
« on: April 27, 2017, 11:51:06 AM »
Says who? What is art to you?
Art is whatever an artist says it is. Create something and declare it to be art. It is now art.

That's the bare minimum requirement. No one has to like your art for it to be art. It's merely an expression of yourself.
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stronger
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Stronger doesn't mean better. Stronger means stronger.

If "stronger" is what you're looking for, then sure, it's better. For you. Not for everyone. For you.

For most people--for 99.99% of healthy, sane individuals, you could even say. But still not everybody.

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Gaming / Re: specs don't matter you silly bitch LMAO
« on: April 27, 2017, 11:35:17 AM »
>This fucking thread

I still like art.
I don't see what's so "this fucking thread" about it.

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Gaming / Re: specs don't matter you silly bitch LMAO
« on: April 27, 2017, 11:13:22 AM »
I understand art a hell of a lot better than you do if you think cars can't be considered art. You're retarded.
Nah. You've thoroughly demonstrated that you don't understand art at all.

And I never said that cars "can't" be considered art. In that very post, I conceded that some cars ARE made for artistic purposes. It's just that the vast, VAST majority of them aren't made for artistic purposes at all and thus cannot be reasonably considered art.
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Do you know why they're higher?
Because some people prefer that. Some people prefer realistic graphics, and realistic graphics demand stronger processing units and shit. That is their preference.

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Good argument.

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Ok kiyo
Okay, XSEAN

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Gaming / Re: specs don't matter you silly bitch LMAO
« on: April 27, 2017, 11:11:09 AM »
Most games are designed for commercial purposes.
I would argue that they're largely made for the dual purpose. Writers, illustrators, graphic designers, musicians, and directors--artists--all have a hand in the creation of this commercial product.

Cars simply aren't made with the same caliber of artisticism.
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Most art is also made to be consumed, even if freely (though I'd go so far as to say that most artists demand compensation for the consumption of their work, and that doesn't diminish artistic quality at all). You've got this very condescending view of art, as if you understand it better than anyone.
I mean... is it wrong for me to believe so?

A lot of you seem to be struggling with basic concepts like "artistic freedom," which not only brings into question how well you understand the subject, but has me believing that I have a better grasp of it.

If I didn't think I had a better grasp of it, I wouldn't be trying to persuade people into my thinking.

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Gaming / Re: specs don't matter you silly bitch LMAO
« on: April 27, 2017, 11:05:41 AM »
Hahaha what? There's designers part of the design team of the vehicle who are there solely for their artistic value. All cars are made to look nice.
I like how your understanding of art apparently doesn't extend beyond "looking nice."

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You specifically said the specs or graphics are "higher" not better.
Yes, because that's what it is. Underlining the words "higher quality" doesn't mean the same thing as "higher" in a numerical sense (ie. 1070 is higher than 980 or whatever the fuck numbers you used earlier).

When it comes to art, hardware is a matter of bigger and smaller numbers. Not better and worse technologies.
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Ok Camnator
Okay Dustin

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Gaming / Re: specs don't matter you silly bitch LMAO
« on: April 27, 2017, 10:53:32 AM »
Though if there's one thing that WWHD did right, it was the ability to take selfies with the pictograph.

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Gaming / Re: specs don't matter you silly bitch LMAO
« on: April 27, 2017, 10:51:33 AM »
Well I can admit when I'm wrong, or that if I came about it the wrong way, so it shouldn't be too surprising.

As for what you just said, I think I finally understand what you mean. The immediate example that cropped up in my head was "dude, you haven't experienced the true bro trip until you've *insert some shitty thing happening to you*". Because it's not really anything positive or even productive, but people would consider it part of the complete experience.

If I'm going about that right. And no, I don't forget, shut up.
Remember that time I brought up that game concept that utilizes intentional frame drops for artistic effect? I think it had to do with a virtual world where the antagonist is trying to assume control of it. As he grows more powerful, the VR simulation becomes more unstable, which starts affecting things like the frame rate and graphics and stuff. And it would be done in a way that isn't annoying to play.

I think if you had remembered that example, this conversation would've gone a bit smoother.

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Gaming / Re: specs don't matter you silly bitch LMAO
« on: April 27, 2017, 10:42:49 AM »
Says who? Cars are definitely art. Hahaha, you can't even be consistent on your own bullshit.
Cars aren't art unless you design a car for an artistic purpose.

Few cars are made for artistic purposes. Like, less than 0.0001%.

Most cars are designed for commercial purposes exclusively. That's anti-art.

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ad·vanced
ədˈvanst/
adjective
far on or ahead in development or progress.
"negotiations are at an advanced stage"
synonyms:   state-of-the-art, new, modern, developed, cutting-edge, leading-edge, up-to-date, up-to-the-minute, the newest, the latest; More
new and not yet generally accepted.
"his advanced views made him unpopular"

bet·ter1
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adjective
1.
of a more excellent or effective type or quality.
"hoping for better weather"
synonyms:   superior, finer, of higher quality; More
2.
partly or fully recovered from illness, injury, or mental stress; less unwell.
"she's much better today"
synonyms:   healthier, fitter, stronger; More
Thanks for proving me right?

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It doesn't matter what I think. My preferences are irrelevant.
Your preferences are all there is.

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Ok Deci
Okay Loaf

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what the fuck did you just call me

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Gaming / Re: specs don't matter you silly bitch LMAO
« on: April 27, 2017, 10:22:28 AM »
After reviewing some of the stuff posted, I suppose I can concede my argument if we're talking about it from an artistic perspective. From the technological and capable perspective, I still hold fast that what I say is correct.

But I guess art and technology and its progress are just two separate things entirely since one is only going on one trend, where as art is simply all over the place and diverse as hell.

That being said, I sure as hell won't sit here and believe Miyazaki intended for Blighttown to be 10 fps because it fit his artistic vision. It didn't. I'm going on what the creator intends, not what the consumer perceives.
That wasn't really what I was trying to argue with the Blighttown thing. I'm not saying Miyazaki intended for Blighttown to run shitty--just that it's notorious for running shitty, and some might argue it's an essential part of the experience despite not being intended. If someone were to experience a lagless Blighttown, a Dark Souls purist might say that he didn't get the "true" experience. I'm not gonna lie--I might even be one of those people, if only ironically. It's just a thing.

And I'm glad you can concede my point from an artistic perspective, and that's the only perspective I intended to argue from.

Now I can't wait for this subject to crop up three or so months from now, only for you to forget we've ever come to this agreement. ::)

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Gaming / Re: specs don't matter you silly bitch LMAO
« on: April 27, 2017, 10:12:58 AM »
Art has nothing to do with it. This is hardware. A car is better than a wagon.
Art has EVERYTHING to do with it. It's the entire point of the conversation. Video games are art. Hardware is irrelevant.

Cars and wagons aren't art.

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Open up a thesaurus once in a while.
Thesauruses aren't for finding words with identical meanings. They're for finding synonyms.

Synonyms aren't two words that have the same meaning. They're two words with similar meanings.

That means they're slightly different. You stupid fuck. Never talk about words again.

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I prefer the dreamcast version. Like you said yourself, I can prefer something inferior. The character models are different on the GameCube and it just doesn't look as nice.

That has nothing to do with knowing the graphics are better on GameCube and PC. Just like Skyrim on PC looks better than on console.
If you prefer the Dreamcast version, there is no point in saying that it's inferior. Because to you, it's clearly not.

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It isn't, look it up.
I know that it isn't, but it doesn't sound like it, so I just think it's a stupid thing to say.

It sounds like you're saying I'm more mentally fit than you. My brain is capable of doing aerobics and shit. What is your brain capable of? Sucking on dog turds?

Wow, the mental dogturd-sucking is pretty strong, hahaha XD

This is retarded.

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Gaming / Re: specs don't matter you silly bitch LMAO
« on: April 27, 2017, 10:01:45 AM »
Hardware isn't subjective.
Yes. But whether certain hardware is "better" than other hardware is completely subjective when it comes to art.

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Advanced = improved = better

Come on English scholar
The fact that I'm an English scholar gives me the right to draw distinctions between terms like "advanced" and "better."

Because they're different words that are used for different things. "Advanced" in no way shape or form means the same thing as "improved."

Stupid people who aren't good with words will use them interchangeably, but that doesn't make it correct to do so.

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No it means I prefer the Dreamcast like I literally just told you. But the GameCube version and playing it on PC it has better graphics.
You don't even understand your own opinions, that's pretty funny.

You don't prefer the Dreamcast version if you think something is superior to it. Or maybe you don't think the improved graphics (in your eyes) outweigh other aspects of the original version. Either way, you PREFER the graphics on the GameCube and PC editions. You think the Dreamcast version looks worse. That means you don't prefer it.

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The mental gymnastics you're pulling here lmao
"Mental gymnastics" sounds more like a compliment. Thank you.

It's not even mental gymnastics. I'm just doing mental pull-ups. You can't even do a single pull-up.

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Gaming / Re: specs don't matter you silly bitch LMAO
« on: April 27, 2017, 09:32:08 AM »
Yes. That's what I'm talking about. What are you talking about?
How art is subjective and that you're wrong and likely stupid for thinking otherwise and taking this long to understand my point.

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A GTX 1070 is better than a GTX 970. Fact.
Nope. It's more advanced, but it's not better.
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This will produce a better looking game. Fact. Cartoony graphics or not, it'll look better on PC.
It'll produce a better-looking game if that's your opinion.
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Personally I like how Sonic Adventure looks on the Dreamcast even though it's better on GameCube and PC.
Then that means you prefer the GameCube and PC versions. Nothing wrong with that.

But that doesn't make the Dreamcast version objectively worse.

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You can't "prefer" superior hardware. It's just superior, it doesn't care if you prefer it or not.
I don't care that it doesn't care. You CAN prefer it, because it's not superior. It's just hardware that is capable of different things. Not better things.

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Gaming / Re: specs don't matter you silly bitch LMAO
« on: April 27, 2017, 09:11:56 AM »
Definition =/= specs
XDDDD

GOT ME

I don't care. Do you think that's the point?

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I don't give a shit about anybody's preferences. That's completely irrelevant to the subject.
They're relevant to the subject in the sense that everything you're talking about it is a matter of opinion. Whether you like """good""" graphics that utilize state-of-the-art technology is up to you, but it's possible to dislike it and favor dated graphics instead.

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The hardware on a gaming PC is better than a console. That's a fact. Get over it.
Nope, it's not a fact in any way whatsoever, unless you're the kind of person who prefers PC hardware.

Not everybody does.

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Gaming / Re: specs don't matter you silly bitch LMAO
« on: April 27, 2017, 08:44:07 AM »
Do you have a set of objective truths? Or is everything subjective for you?
When it comes to art, everything is subjective.

Things are only objective if you set parameters, like "I like realistic graphics." If you only like realistic graphics, if that's what you're looking for, then there are going to be better games for you than Wolfenstein 3D.

But what you end up liking is, obviously, all subjective. There's nothing in the universe that every single human being is going to agree on 100%, and if there isn't, they just haven't been born yet. And even if we could find something, that doesn't necessarily make it an objective fact either. That's not how facts work.

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