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5071
« on: November 20, 2017, 10:15:00 PM »
10 bucks he comes back with something about how thats a dumb definition of hack n slash or some other bs
wrong
it's not a dumb definition, because it's not even a definition in the first place
it's literally just the first line of a wikipedia article, cut and pasted, with absolutely no detail or nuance
"3D third-person, weapon-based, melee action games" would have to include things like dark souls and breath of the wild
way to stick up for your butt buddy though, very cute
If that's the general idea of what a hack n slash is then that's what it is. If we're going to throw around what a hack n slash really is then what's the point?
what's the point? i don't know having a coherent discussion about what they are, maybe?
5072
« on: November 20, 2017, 10:13:48 PM »
hell, fucking SUPER SMASH BROS falls under that definition
You're being stubborn if you can't understand the type of game it's referring to.
that's not the fucking point of a definition tblocks they're not meant to be so vague that you can barely glean any important details out of them trying to define genres is stupid anyway, but if you're gonna try, you're gonna have to do better than "3D game with weapons"
5073
« on: November 20, 2017, 10:06:46 PM »
hell, fucking SUPER SMASH BROS falls under that definition
5074
« on: November 20, 2017, 10:06:06 PM »
10 bucks he comes back with something about how thats a dumb definition of hack n slash or some other bs
wrong it's not a dumb definition, because it's not even a definition in the first place it's literally just the first line of a wikipedia article, cut and pasted, with absolutely no detail or nuance "3D third-person, weapon-based, melee action games" would have to include things like dark souls and breath of the wild way to stick up for your butt buddy though, very cute
5075
« on: November 20, 2017, 09:24:50 PM »
"yeah i guess you could say they have D.E.P.T.H.
D - not
E - meaningful
P -in any
T - possible
H - way"
i'll take that as a victory
5076
« on: November 20, 2017, 09:10:01 PM »
many hack n slash games reward skilled play by making enemies take more damage from higher/more varied combos, making it the most efficient method possible unfortunately, that's not actually how any of them work and even if it was, it's still cheap satisfaction under the guise of deep rewarding gameplay which isn't real depth, but anti-depth it's potato chips i dont even play that many hack n slash games and the ones i do i dont enjoy for gameplay reasons. dmc and bayonetta are mechanically deep games. end of story. you keep repeating this like an autistic chimp, yet i've never said anything to contradict it the games have depth anti-depth but i'm not interested in anti-depth, i'm interested in real depth
5077
« on: November 20, 2017, 09:01:22 PM »
your fighting game comparison doesnt work because you can button mash in that game too. but you are less likely to succeed in DMC, bayonetta, and hyrule warriors, you are guaranteed to succeed if you mash maybe not if that's literally the only thing that you do, but mashing with a little bit of whatever else mixed in is not deep gameplay, and there's no point in mastering the rest of the game's moves, because they're overall less efficient despite being "satisfying" in an extremely superficial way ("wow that move gives me a nice view of her ass i'm gonna do that a lot" SUCH DEPTH) there's nothing deep about cheap satisfaction, so depth in achieving that cheap satisfaction should probably be considered anti-depth
5078
« on: November 20, 2017, 08:54:28 PM »
Ninja Gaiden is a hack n slash game but you need to know the combos and be damn good at dodging and blocking to live
if a game actually requires skill and timing and shit to win, it's not really a hack n slash, it's just an action game
the whole point of hack n slash is that they're mindless entertainment for 12 year olds who don't like thinking that much
I thought hack n slash games were games where you use a sword and combos a lot or something.
The combat in Nier for example is less complex than NG, for example, but I wouldn't go so far as to say you can button mash your way through it.
yeah nier isn't a hack 'n' slash at all it's not just about complexity, it's about being able to defeat a shitload of enemies at once with a few button presses and flashy animations, because it makes little boys' dicks hard (especially when a female character does it)
5079
« on: November 20, 2017, 08:52:56 PM »
"oh no ive talked out of my ass again and backed myself into a corner, better move the goalposts and pretend i know what im talking about"
for all the arguing you do you'd think you actually be good at it
you just described three things that i did not do you're the one in the corner, and you're the one who doesn't know what he's talking about actually think about what you're saying right now you're saying that hack 'n' slash games HAVE DEPTH are you fucking insane
5080
« on: November 20, 2017, 08:48:34 PM »
Ninja Gaiden is a hack n slash game but you need to know the combos and be damn good at dodging and blocking to live
if a game actually requires skill and timing and shit to win, it's not really a hack n slash, it's just an action game
the whole point of hack n slash is that they're mindless entertainment for 12 year olds who don't like thinking that much
dmc and bayonetta and mgr arent hack n slash then
and they still manage to be garbage
okay! cool! awesome!
literally irrelevant. theyre full of depth. you lose, i win. papa bless.
everything about it was relevant they have 0 depth that matters, therefore they're garbage, and no intelligent person would play them
5081
« on: November 20, 2017, 08:47:16 PM »
not if youre button mashing
just because you can mash buttons to win doesn't mean it's the only thing you're doing that doesn't make it any less brainless
5082
« on: November 20, 2017, 08:43:41 PM »
Ninja Gaiden is a hack n slash game but you need to know the combos and be damn good at dodging and blocking to live
if a game actually requires skill and timing and shit to win, it's not really a hack n slash, it's just an action game
the whole point of hack n slash is that they're mindless entertainment for 12 year olds who don't like thinking that much
dmc and bayonetta and mgr arent hack n slash then
and they still manage to be garbage and just to bring this back on topic, hyrule warriors easily among the worst of all, and is a complete insult to the franchise
5083
« on: November 20, 2017, 08:43:07 PM »
depth is objective. you can calculate it. fundamental controls options x number of varied button inputs + NPC ability. but none of it matters if the game isn't fun to START with if the game isn't fun to start with, none of it matters you shouldn't want to make games fun, and fun in general shouldn't be what you want from a game anyway it takes about 3 or 4 hours to really enjoy it
yknow, after youve learnt the game's mechanics and how to do things more effectively it's instantly magnificent the moment you start playing the game, it immediately sucks you in from the very first island what is countering
something that i can easily bait
5084
« on: November 20, 2017, 08:36:42 PM »
Ninja Gaiden is a hack n slash game but you need to know the combos and be damn good at dodging and blocking to live
if a game actually requires skill and timing and shit to win, it's not really a hack n slash, it's just an action game the whole point of hack n slash is that they're mindless entertainment for 12 year olds who don't like thinking that much
5085
« on: November 20, 2017, 08:31:03 PM »
the way hack 'n' slashes are designed, if they had pvp, the button masher is gonna win
nope
yeah, pretty much guaranteed
5086
« on: November 20, 2017, 08:30:47 PM »
the argument stemmed from you laughing at the fact that Bayonetta and DMC have depth. It's indisputable that they do no matter how you slice it. i win. i assumed that by "depth" you meant "depth that matters" bayonetta has depth in ways that don't matter, sure, you win, thanks for admitting it's a shit game wind waker isn't fun to start with
wind waker is fucking amazing to start with
5087
« on: November 20, 2017, 08:26:19 PM »
Sure you can win fighting games by button mashing. maybe if your opponent is fucking garbage the difference is that the button masher is going to lose against a player who knows what he's doing the way hack 'n' slashes are designed, if they had pvp, the button masher is gonna win
5088
« on: November 20, 2017, 08:20:20 PM »
the incentive is enjoyment.
its fine if its not your bag but you cant really sit there and tell me the games i listed dont have depth. my analogy works.
they have depth in the least meaningful way
cmon bro
if it's not fun to play, i could not give a singular fuck how much depth it has you're telling me i have to make a game fun--why why is it not just fun to start with
5089
« on: November 20, 2017, 08:15:27 PM »
the incentive is enjoyment.
its fine if its not your bag but you cant really sit there and tell me the games i listed dont have depth. my analogy works.
they have depth in the least meaningful way
5090
« on: November 20, 2017, 08:07:19 PM »
- if you're in a pool trying to swim, it's easier to actually swim when you can't touch the floor, because you won't be touching the floor
- if you're in a pool trying to swim, it's easier to have fun when you're actually swimming (which you're not doing when you're just walking around the shallow end
if you're playing a hack and slash, and you're looking to enjoy yourself (swim), you wont be able to have much fun by smashing the same buttons over and over again (staying in the shallow end). you have to learn the combos (swim in the deep end) to make the game both more fun (because you're fully realising and master the game's mechanics) and easier (if you know the correct combos for the right enemy, its easier to defeat than if you just mash square)
kapeesh
i don't think i should have to make games fun they should just be fun the reason i love fighting games is because you can't just mash to win, which in itself provides the player an incentive to practice and get better there's no incentive to get better when you're already a master of the game by doing this 
5091
« on: November 20, 2017, 07:58:16 PM »
What's wrong with Hyrule Warriors
It's a musou game so if you don't like how Dynasty Warriors plays at all, you wouldn't like this.
what's a musou game
dynasty warriors as a franchise
i know but what kind of genre is it
i could look it up i guess
just dumb mindless hack n slash garbage
i think you enjoyed mgr for some reason though, and over-the-top macho shit in general it seems, so you don't have much reason to dislike hyrule warriors
yeah maybe i'll check it out
does the gameplay have any depth at all
i think the idea behind hack n slash is that there is no depth
dmc and bayonetta have lots of depth
lol
how do they not though
because you can beat the whole game just by mashing buttons
they're not exactly known for intelligent or methodical gameplay, that's the whole genre
is a pool only 4 feet deep if you stay in the shallow area?
effectively yes, when there's literally no reason to venture outside of the shallow area
- its easier to actually "swim" when you cant stand up
- its more fun
i don't see how if i'm styling on an enemy, but it turns out all i needed to do was shoot them in the face, that's going to be more annoying than anything
5092
« on: November 20, 2017, 07:52:15 PM »
One of the few good things to come out with Link Between Worlds. This legitimately has to be one of my favorite Zelda tracks ever.
yeah, that's a pretty good song though, i don't really share the distaste some of you seem to have for ALBW
5093
« on: November 20, 2017, 07:49:18 PM »
What's wrong with Hyrule Warriors
It's a musou game so if you don't like how Dynasty Warriors plays at all, you wouldn't like this.
what's a musou game
dynasty warriors as a franchise
i know but what kind of genre is it
i could look it up i guess
just dumb mindless hack n slash garbage
i think you enjoyed mgr for some reason though, and over-the-top macho shit in general it seems, so you don't have much reason to dislike hyrule warriors
yeah maybe i'll check it out
does the gameplay have any depth at all
i think the idea behind hack n slash is that there is no depth
dmc and bayonetta have lots of depth
lol
how do they not though
because you can beat the whole game just by mashing buttons
they're not exactly known for intelligent or methodical gameplay, that's the whole genre
is a pool only 4 feet deep if you stay in the shallow area?
effectively yes, when there's literally no reason to venture outside of the shallow area
5094
« on: November 20, 2017, 07:18:16 PM »
What's wrong with Hyrule Warriors
It's a musou game so if you don't like how Dynasty Warriors plays at all, you wouldn't like this.
what's a musou game
dynasty warriors as a franchise
i know but what kind of genre is it
i could look it up i guess
just dumb mindless hack n slash garbage
i think you enjoyed mgr for some reason though, and over-the-top macho shit in general it seems, so you don't have much reason to dislike hyrule warriors
yeah maybe i'll check it out
does the gameplay have any depth at all
i think the idea behind hack n slash is that there is no depth
dmc and bayonetta have lots of depth
lol
how do they not though
because you can beat the whole game just by mashing buttons they're not exactly known for intelligent or methodical gameplay, that's the whole genre
5095
« on: November 20, 2017, 04:58:17 PM »
i wish shit didn't matter
5096
« on: November 20, 2017, 04:36:05 PM »
i fucking adored moon, favorite game in a long time easily, so i'm cool with playing it again with some extra new added stuff
though i AM disappointed that it's just another rehash, and as a consumer i feel like my balls are in a vice
5097
« on: November 20, 2017, 04:25:20 PM »
Man these soundcloud rapper junkies are so weird
Is soundcloud rapper a thing?
Ya it's basically a sub-genre of trap that's become a mutated cancerous genre in and of itself. They might delineate slightly or dip their toes into other genres but they pretty much all rap about the same shit, like popping Xans, feeling sad and being 'aesthetically edgy'.
XXXTentacion is like the prime example. Listen to him once and you never need to hear another artist again because he basically encapsulates the entire """genre"".
X is sick
DUDE HITTING PREGNANT WOMEN LMAO
i didn't say he was a good person
How clan you listen to a guy who hits pregnant women, though?
i don't really think about it. an artist's personal life doesn't really come into my opinion of their work. and he may be a bad person but at least he's an actual artist, creating for the sake of creating and not giving a shit about the money. it's not like i'm supporting him monetarily or anything like that.
I can't listen to an artist if I dislike him/her as a person
i wouldn't be able to listen to anyone literally anyone i'm sure if you looked into the lives of whoever you do listen to, you wouldn't be able to listen to anyone either
5098
« on: November 20, 2017, 04:20:51 PM »
After playing Showdown and getting fucked in circles repeatedly by RNG I can't bring myself to buy anymore of these games. Crits feel like they have been amped up to 11, and 90% - 95% accuracy moves miss far more than they hit anything.
Also, someone explain how a non-crit Low kick on a Timid Greninja one-shots Kyurem Black?
a super effective 180 power move (120 factoring in kyurem's weight + STAB after protean)? that's a dead kyurem crits are also not even that bad anymore; they used to deal double damage, and now they only deal 50% more
5099
« on: November 20, 2017, 01:54:43 PM »
so is it good or should I pass?
I thought sumo were garbage, so had no intention of getting this.
if you didn't like sumo, you wouldn't like this probably unless your reasons for not liking it were "there's not enough pokemon" or "the story wasn't crazy enough"
5100
« on: November 20, 2017, 12:03:15 AM »
RIP
better human being than trump
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