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« on: November 21, 2017, 07:08:02 PM »
i wonder why the US doesn't take e-gambling as seriously
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« on: November 21, 2017, 07:01:35 PM »
wow hasn't this argument going on for days
like, one day the conversation started the day before, but became a problem the day after
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« on: November 21, 2017, 05:49:30 PM »
So games that you can spam combos lack depth, got it.
no
games that offer no incentive to do anything else but spam combos lack depth, other than "c'mon it's FUN!!!!" which isn't an incentive at all unless you think of games as stupid entertainment instead of art
What's wrong with entertainment?
we have enough of it pure entertainment is piss-useless, and it's probably toxic for the brain it's better to inject it with something that can actually be used in life, and HnS games have always been notoriously bad at that
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« on: November 21, 2017, 05:36:44 PM »
So games that you can spam combos lack depth, got it.
no games that offer no incentive to do anything else but spam combos lack depth, other than "c'mon it's FUN!!!!" which isn't an incentive at all unless you think of games as stupid entertainment instead of art
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« on: November 21, 2017, 05:35:06 PM »
Name one action game that punishes you instantly for reusing the same 3 combos. Just one??
Super Smash Bros. has a system in place called "stale moves" which reduces the power of attacks when you use the same ones over and over again. This is an anti-spam measure.
Boom.
Fuck dude, anything other than Smash.
how do i know that you're not just gonna keep saying "o-oh, except for that one!!"
can't we just admit that i'm right and move on
but okay, Dark Souls
trying doing the same moves in dark souls over and over and see how that works out for you
dark souls is the same move over and over again, but it requires timing
AAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
that's how i played it
i guess dark souls is shallow too
i wonder how retarded you actually have to be to twist my logic around like that
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« on: November 21, 2017, 05:32:10 PM »
Name one action game that punishes you instantly for reusing the same 3 combos. Just one??
Super Smash Bros. has a system in place called "stale moves" which reduces the power of attacks when you use the same ones over and over again. This is an anti-spam measure.
Boom.
Fuck dude, anything other than Smash.
how do i know that you're not just gonna keep saying "o-oh, except for that one!!"
can't we just admit that i'm right and move on
but okay, Dark Souls
trying doing the same moves in dark souls over and over and see how that works out for you
dark souls is the same move over and over again, but it requires timing
AAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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« on: November 21, 2017, 05:21:40 PM »
Name one action game that punishes you instantly for reusing the same 3 combos. Just one??
Super Smash Bros. has a system in place called "stale moves" which reduces the power of attacks when you use the same ones over and over again. This is an anti-spam measure.
Boom.
Fuck dude, anything other than Smash.
how do i know that you're not just gonna keep saying "o-oh, except for that one!!" can't we just admit that i'm right and move on but okay, Dark Souls trying doing the same moves in dark souls over and over and see how that works out for you
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« on: November 21, 2017, 05:15:51 PM »
Name one action game that punishes you instantly for reusing the same 3 combos. Just one?? Super Smash Bros. has a system in place called "stale moves" which reduces the power of attacks when you use the same ones over and over again. This is an anti-spam measure. Boom.
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« on: November 21, 2017, 05:12:55 PM »
Fighting games only have depth in combat. The only place where depth matters (the main purpose of the game). Hack and slash games only have depth in combat.
Nope, not when you can mash and win.
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« on: November 21, 2017, 05:03:59 PM »
I believe you're confusing difficulty with depth. Also, in what game are you instantly punished for spamming a shit combo? Literally any well-designed game. Also, just because the fighting mechanics in games like DMC and Bayonetta have depth doesn't mean the game itself has depth. that's what i've been saying this entire time they lack depth in every facet that actually matters Fighting games don't have depth.
Fighting games have more depth than any other game genre. It is Depth: The Genre.
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« on: November 21, 2017, 04:55:20 PM »
a game with depth wouldn't allow you to just comfortably spam anything, and will instantly punish you for even trying
Yes. inb4 you post a street fighter video where the players are throwing fireballs repeatedly, which would be a complete failure to understand the difference between spamming and zoning
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« on: November 21, 2017, 04:50:29 PM »
If anything, Wind Waker's opening could've been a tad slower.
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« on: November 21, 2017, 03:03:13 PM »
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« on: November 21, 2017, 02:31:00 PM »
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« on: November 21, 2017, 02:29:27 PM »
how cute are my makuhita and i  
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« on: November 21, 2017, 01:00:09 PM »
So essentially, it boils down to a game must require the mechanics you speak of in order to beat it. That's depth that matters. (The difficulty you play on factors into this somewhere but I'm not sure how we'd go about solving that. What difficulty do you normally play on?) always "normal," because it's a word that suggests to me that this is how the game is "normally" meant to be played, unless otherwise specified I find this problematic though as the ability to complete a game is hardly an objective process. When someone mashes buttons are they lucking into combos or are they picking up certain combos as they play? If they begin to utilize these combos in a controlled manner it's not really button mashing anymore is it? At that point it just seems like fast paced gameplay which isn't inherently a problem. if, through button mashing, you discover an efficient/"cheap" combo that you can spam over and over and carry yourself through the entire game with it (or 2, or 3) then yeah, that's exactly the kind of shit that i'm talking about that's not deep a game with depth wouldn't allow you to just comfortably spam anything, and will instantly punish you for even trying My point is that you almost need to look at it on a case by case basis in order to judge depth. So what exactly are you basing your assertion that a game like DMC has no depth on? Do you know for a fact it's able to be beaten just by punching your controller?
i've done it, ages go i didn't button mash the entire time, but i was practically on autopilot i didn't have to think about anything that i was doing it's an autopilot game, that's what HnS is
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« on: November 21, 2017, 12:39:30 PM »
Look, Wind Waker captured me from the beginning as well, but there is simply no way to justify that it's the fault of the person for "not getting it". Again, I would ask what makes your interpretation better than the next person but there's no point. I already know your answer and it's tiring to hear you repeat that you're correct because it's you. disliking a game's opening 90% of the time comes down to a player's expectations
if you disliked the first couple hours of wind waker, you were probably expecting a different kind of game for w/e reason
how the fuck is that anyone else's problem but the player's
Ah great.
requiring skill and timing is below standard, that's every game ever, that's not deep
HnS games tend to be below that
you need to go way above that in order for your gameplay to be considered "deep"
The problem is that I don't think there's a fault here. No one did anything wrong per say... more that it's just a matter of taste.
Look, all I'm saying is your definition of HnS games seems to be different from mine or Snake's. The key point was saying that if a game has depth, it's not HnS. No amount of debate will convince either of us if we're on different pages regarding the definition.
regardless of whether DMC, bayonetta, or hyrule warriors can be considered HnS games, they have no depth i really don't care what they are at the end of the day, but they have zero depth any depth that the games COULD have, through their respective combo systems or what have you, is rendered null and void, because those are not necessary skills that you HAVE to learn in order to beat those games it's just for flash and stylishness, style over substance a game that prioritizes style over substance is the fucking antithesis of "DEEP"
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« on: November 21, 2017, 12:06:35 AM »
I still need to beat Spirit Tracks
tried doing Skyward Sword just because I DO wanna beat them all, but since it didn't work I might just have to settle for a darn YouTube movie of it. Even if it's bad, it's Zelda and I need to experience it in some form.
honestly, i'd just play it yourself if you still have it there still are people who think it's the best one, and there are plenty of aspects that i loved about it but in terms of what i look for in zelda, it just missed the boat completely i'm not really sure what you look for in zelda
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« on: November 20, 2017, 11:24:11 PM »
do you think bayonetta would be a better franchise if the games had any depth
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« on: November 20, 2017, 11:15:09 PM »
if the game doesn't make it clear what kind of game it is from the get go, that's the game's fault.
but it does, you fucking retard
nope
really the only zelda game that does it well is botw tbh
botw probably does it the worst
you don't understand anything about this series
yeah, botw probably does it the best
you are an unbelievable pushover
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« on: November 20, 2017, 10:58:24 PM »
if the game doesn't make it clear what kind of game it is from the get go, that's the game's fault.
but it does, you fucking retard
nope
really the only zelda game that does it well is botw tbh
botw probably does it the worst you don't understand anything about this series
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« on: November 20, 2017, 10:55:53 PM »
if the game doesn't make it clear what kind of game it is from the get go, that's the game's fault.
but it does, you fucking retard
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« on: November 20, 2017, 10:55:28 PM »
Look, Wind Waker captured me from the beginning as well, but there is simply no way to justify that it's the fault of the person for "not getting it". Again, I would ask what makes your interpretation better than the next person but there's no point. I already know your answer and it's tiring to hear you repeat that you're correct because it's you. disliking a game's opening 90% of the time comes down to a player's expectations if you disliked the first couple hours of wind waker, you were probably expecting a different kind of game for w/e reason how the fuck is that anyone else's problem but the player's Ah great.
requiring skill and timing is below standard, that's every game ever, that's not deep HnS games tend to be below that you need to go way above that in order for your gameplay to be considered "deep"
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« on: November 20, 2017, 10:46:32 PM »
"if someone doesnt like this game its their fault, not the game's"
what a convenient way to shut down your opponent
yeah it's almost like i even typed numerous paragraphs heavily substantiating that very position you dense cunt
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« on: November 20, 2017, 10:45:34 PM »
This seems rather self-centered no? No And you define depth as needing to do more than mash buttons right? Skill and timing.
you need WAY more than that
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« on: November 20, 2017, 10:40:31 PM »
Sure you can win fighting games by button mashing. maybe if your opponent is fucking garbage
the difference is that the button masher is going to lose against a player who knows what he's doing
the way hack 'n' slashes are designed, if they had pvp, the button masher is gonna win
If I play a fighting game and play the story mode I guarantee I can mash buttons to complete it. Give me one game where that would be impossible.
Regardless of everything else, please enlighten me on this one.
it's not a good comparison, because fighting games aren't really made for single player anyway
that said, if you play any fighting game's arcade mode on the hardest difficulty, you're not just going to be able to mash and win
I agree, it's not a great comparison. That being said, if I play Bayonetta on the hardest difficulty I highly doubt I'd be able to mash and win.
maybe you can't
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« on: November 20, 2017, 10:38:20 PM »
Sure you can win fighting games by button mashing. maybe if your opponent is fucking garbage
the difference is that the button masher is going to lose against a player who knows what he's doing
the way hack 'n' slashes are designed, if they had pvp, the button masher is gonna win
If I play a fighting game and play the story mode I guarantee I can mash buttons to complete it. Give me one game where that would be impossible.
Regardless of everything else, please enlighten me on this one.
it's not a good comparison, because fighting games aren't really made for single player anyway that said, if you play any fighting game's arcade mode on the hardest difficulty, you're not just going to be able to mash and win
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« on: November 20, 2017, 10:34:28 PM »
What's your response to someone who doesn't INSTANTLY get sucked into Wind Waker? "You're bad at playing video games" or "You're playing video games the WRONG way" if wind waker doesn't instantly suck you in, then i'd say it's a failure on the player's part to recognize what the game is trying to do at the beginning it's a big game, and big games usually start slow and quiet, because that's how a balanced and well-paced story works the slow start on outset island gives the player a chance to wrap themselves up in the game's story, absorb the cheerful, calm-before-storm atmosphere (while you still can), and emotionally connect with the tightly-knit denizens of the island before setting out on your long epic journey link's quiet, simple homelife is relatable and provides an extreme contrast to the perils he experiences during the rest of the game it's definitely something you appreciate more on subsequent playthroughs, but not something that CAN'T be enjoyed on your first, if you have an understanding of how adventure games like zelda tend to work So do they not have depth or are they not hack n slash?
whatever they are, they're bad and they don't have an ounce of depth, or at least the kind that actually matters
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« on: November 20, 2017, 10:15:51 PM »
Defining a game genre through the quality of the game is entirely arbitrary.
cool is anybody doing that in this thread? i don't think so
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