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4651
« on: December 25, 2017, 10:33:57 PM »
i'd say hyperspace being an instant jail-free card is probably the bigger contrivance, and technological advancements in a franchise taking place in a technologically advanced fantasy setting shouldn't feel all that contrived I.M.O.
4652
« on: December 25, 2017, 10:30:45 PM »
Spoiler ]Also, ships can just track other ships through hyperspace, which is all sorts of dumb
It was a contrived, unprecedented plot device that undermines the continuity of the series.
That said, apparently it wasn't some magic tracking device, but was a massive supercomputer calculating possible destinations the same way it was done in the OT multiple times, but a lot faster. So basically all the technobabble Finn and Rose spat out to justify its existence was just nonsense.
contrived, maybe (welcome to star wars) unprecedented, no, because rogue one foreshadowed it
4653
« on: December 25, 2017, 10:04:39 PM »
I never said he was perfect either, that was the whole point of getting shocked to death by Sheev. But just because he had two small moments of weakness (that he overcame) doesn't mean he's not virtuous or an ideal role model.
you can rest easy knowing that mark hamill himself seems to agree with you, as he didn't personally enjoy how his character was being portrayed in this movie either for me personally, if luke were portrayed the safe way, it would've made for a worse film
4654
« on: December 25, 2017, 09:53:21 PM »
The black outfit might have been a good parallel, but the only reason he had a green lightsaber in RoTJ is because a blue lightsaber would've looked bad during during the fight in the Tatooine desert with the clear blue sky in the background.
http://www.forcematerial.com/home/2016/10/23/the-real-reason-luke-skywalker-has-a-green-lightsaber
"Remember - Luke had a green one because the effects sequence had it against a blue sky. That's as deep as these things tend to go." — Pablobot Hidalgonk (@pablohidalgo) October 18, 2016 i would suggest that you read that entire article EDIT: I see the response was in relation to my comment on his character. If what he did wasn't morally admirable then what is to you? Willing to die to redeem your father and not turn to the dark side seems like a paragon of virtue to me. He was written with these traits because he was written to be a role model. no, i said that he's admirable i'm just saying that he's not perfect by "paragon of virtue," i'm talking about a guy who never does any wrong, and always does the rightest possible thing, no matter what, which is what you seem to think luke either is or should be that's what i'm disagreeing with
4655
« on: December 25, 2017, 09:34:21 PM »
He could've have been everything you just mentioned, but that doesn't change the fact that he was established as the main leader of the bad guys and they killed him off half way through it all. So who's the main villain now? Don't say Kylo, as much as I love Kylo in this movie, he's still conflicted about being dark. i don't really care, because i don't think the story necessarily needs a "main villain" at this point, or at least, not one who is irredeemably evil that shit's boring to me, and if i ever want to see anything like that again, i'll just watch the older films breaking these story conventions is part of what makes these new movies interesting to me
4656
« on: December 25, 2017, 09:29:22 PM »
What does the black outfit or green light saber have to do with anything? Also he bargained with Jabba, several times. Vader would have never done that. by the time ANH and Empire were out, it had been firmly established that the good guys, jedi, used BLUE lightsabers, and the bad guys used RED lightsabers then comes rotj and introduces GREEN, and what else could that mean other than moral ambivalence? they don't just make these design choices for no reason, you know as for the black outfit, darth vader's suit is black, which in itself is a symbolic parallel that doesn't mean he's a straight-up grey jedi in rotj, or anything, but he very often shows signs that he's torn, and isn't afraid to use the force in perhaps less-than-scrupulous ways to get his ends meet do not accuse me of looking "too deep" into this, because these are fairly surface level observations if you understand anything about how symbolism works It's not a blight on his morality for showing care in his friends and family, nor is it a blight when he sticks by his ideals through it all. Why do you think he threw away his lightsaber in front of the emperor? To show off? In the end he overcame that weakness. That was crucial moment that established two things, that Luke IS a morally-upstanding character, allowing himself to be defenseless in front of the most powerful force user in the galaxy to stand by his ideals; and that he wasn't all powerful, as shown when Sheev begins to go Mike Pence on him. it shows that he's a morally-upstanding dude who ultimately saved the universe, yes but that does NOT make him space jesus he's still not a paragon of virtue, and was never stated or shown to be What about it was believable for him as a character? As I mentioned several times, he had always attempted to diffuse/talk out a situation first. Going straight to "Better fucking kill my nephew" first is something Luke would have never done, especially after his success in bringing his father back to the light. Yes, he did ultimately not go through with it and realize it was a terrible thought process, but it was one that post-RoTJ/pre-TLJ Luke would have never done.
i just disagree and even if you're right, i would still argue that this led to a FAR more interesting story i think that sort of fleeting heat-of-the-moment type thinking is a very honest portrayal of how people tend to function when presented with some extremely scary and potentially threatening shit
4657
« on: December 25, 2017, 09:08:15 PM »
fuck you icy, you don't even post
4658
« on: December 25, 2017, 09:04:59 PM »
If he's so powerful in the force, he should've been able to sense that he was in danger.
you're making unnecessary assumptions who's to say he's that powerful maybe they're trying to show that kylo's will to deceive him is stronger than snoke's ability to see it coming maybe snoke's thirst to watch his apprentice fulfill his destiny caused him to drop his guard momentarily maybe something else maybe having such boring OP villains in movies is really fucking lame and stupid and your opinion is bad
4659
« on: December 25, 2017, 09:01:23 PM »
OH I FORGOT
i really really really liked that they acknowledged the prequels in this movie
because you know, they're the best films after all
4660
« on: December 25, 2017, 09:00:05 PM »
It's exactly what it is. Luke changed from simple farm boy to a Jedi Master with morals and ideals, and he throws them the fuck away over a hilariously poorly written mistake.
luke never became a jedi master in the OT, just a very skilled knight imo also his morals and ideals were shown to be questionable at best in rotj, which is symbolized by his black outfit, green lightsaber, and the fact that he speaks almost like vader does at jabba the hutt: "you can either profit by this, or be destroyed. i warn you not to underestimate my powers," etc. not to mention, he's visibly conflicted when darth sidious is goading him to join the dark side and shit doesn't seem like the most morally-upstanding guy to me so what was poorly-written about it "i didn't want it to happen that way" is not a reason
4661
« on: December 25, 2017, 08:56:20 PM »
I'm not gonna mark my spoilers, don't read this post if you haven't seen the movie.
The most common complaints seem to be the following:
- High highs and low lows in terms of "moments"
- Too many jokes
- Pacing
- Luke's actions and overall behavior
I think most of us can agree that the highest of highs was probably Snoke's throne room scene with Rey and Kylo Ren. For me, this was one of the coolest scenes in the entire series, and it reminded me of some of the best moments from Return of the Jedi (my favorite OT film).
A lot of people seem upset that Snoke died, but as Napalm and a couple others have been saying, I personally enjoyed it as a big establisihng character moment for Kylo Ren, because Snoke himself was never that interesting in the first place, and there's no reason to assume that his lore won't be expounded upon in the future anyway.
Adam Driver is FUCKING AWESOME, and I would say that he made the movie for me, but there was a lot more that I really appreciated, too. Adam's acting is extremely un-Star Wars-like, but in a very good way. The way he just glowers at everyone, and how he's always shouting angrily, is really great. Listen to the way he shouts "You're still holding on, LET GO" at Rey during that scene. Nobody in Star Wars talks like that. It makes him stand out in a really cool way, and I honestly believe that, next to Mark Hamill, Adam Driver is the best talent in the cast. Loved every minute of his scenes, best character in the NT.
Speaking of Mark Hamill, Luke Skywalker is an awesome character now. Hated him in ANH. Didn't like him much in Empire. Thought he was redeemed in RotJ. But Rian Johnson wrote Luke Skywalker in a way that turns him from "bad-turned-quality character" into a character that actually resonates with me at a core level. He had so many great moments, with the Kylo Ren backstory sequences (where you get to hear the story three times in three different perspectives) and his final sequence, which was the most satisfying thing to watch ever.
The moments where I was able to predict what was about to happen were not hampered by their predictability. They were enhanced by them, because the things I was predicting were the things that I really wanted to see happen. When Luke is dueling Kylo, I knew every step of the way what was about to happen. But somehow, it worked. Something about the pathos of this movie was able to make it work for me, and I might need to see it a second time to figure out how or why.
The only two things I had issues with were Captain Phasma getting the short end of the stick once again in terms of character priority, and then proceeding to get Darth Maul'd. I was hoping to see a little bit more devepment from her, but they decided to use her as a character-establishing tool for Finn instead. Unfortunately, their scene together was much less powerful than the one between Snoke and Kylo Ren.
The second thing is porgs. I really hate the porgs, and the less they were in the movie, the better it was. Thankfully, they weren't in there very often, but when they got in your face, they REALLY got in your face.
Rey was fine, too, I guess. I always liked her. I'm kind of okay with her being reduced to a side character as long as she gets more moments in the next episode.
For me, this was Earned Pathos: The Movie. My sister was watching it with me, too, and she probably cares about this franchise even less than I do, but she said she cried about ten times during the movie.
I probably have more to say that I've forgotten, but those are my current thoughts. In order to understand why this is currently my favorite Star Wars movie requires me to talk about every other Star Wars movie to explain why they're not as good, and that's not something I'm prepared to do right now.
4662
« on: December 25, 2017, 08:38:31 PM »
>A character devolving from the Hero's Journey is somehow better story telling
Lmao i mean, you can describe it that way if you want to, but that doesn't mean that's what it is
4663
« on: December 25, 2017, 08:37:19 PM »
>Supposedly the most powerful dark force user in the galaxy
>Can't tell with dark side that your apprentice is about to kill you
If Snoke is that inept than Kylo isn't so beneath him in power that he would've put up with his shit.
there are two dark force users left in this galaxy that we're aware of framing it as though that somehow makes him omnipotent seems silly and presumptuous why do you want characters to be boring, i don't get it
4664
« on: December 25, 2017, 08:23:24 PM »
how would you like the sticks to be, if not at the same height
4665
« on: December 25, 2017, 08:17:40 PM »
okay brb time for MY opinions
4666
« on: December 25, 2017, 08:15:53 PM »
Luke Skywalker does not appear in this movie, instead we get a grumpy old nut that just looks like an old Luke.
and the movie was made 10x better for it also yeah he's definitely luke
4667
« on: December 25, 2017, 08:14:47 PM »
I liked it. Not bad like people were saying IMO. Except that Leia scene. Lol... The humor wasn't too much either. People said it's like a Marvel film. But. It's not.
thank you, yes, the quips and humor in this movie really wasn't that fucking bad but i didn't even mind "super leia" it didn't even cross my mind as something that would be memed to death on the internet
4668
« on: December 25, 2017, 08:13:01 PM »
Weird alien shit in the new Star Wars:
- Rathtars in TFA
- Tentacle monster in Rogue One
- Alien Tits in TLJ
Seems to be a pattern here. Wonder what weird alien shit will be in Ep 9.
were just gonna flat out get an alien dick that landos gonna be sucking when finn comes to find his father
the milky bobe alien wasn’t that weird it’s just the way they used it
Ah yes, the family-friendly franchise known as Star Wars has a scene where one of the most iconic characters in the franchise milks a 4-tit alien creature. Totally not weird at all for anybody, especially entire families with little kids watching.
Cows stupid fat fuck
4669
« on: December 25, 2017, 08:10:57 PM »
But can we all at least agree that despite whatever problems this new 'trilogy' has, Kylo Ren is the best part of it? I never get bored watching him.
we can definitely agree on that
4670
« on: December 25, 2017, 08:07:45 PM »
Spoiler I do like that this film wasn't just a fan-servicey fulfillment of the biggest theories. It didn't open with Luke taking the place of Rey's Yoda, telling her about her legendary parents, turning her into another jedi. Snoke wasn't an important villain any more than Hux is. Finn and Rose didn't succeed in their adventure and save the day. Poe also didn't save the day just by virtue of being a heroic lead character. It definitely fulfilled the role of a 2nd film in a trilogy.
It defied expectations in a lot of really exciting ways, and I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with it... I'm not excited about the Han Solo film though.
turkey rolling in with the best opinions in the thread
4671
« on: December 25, 2017, 08:06:22 PM »
Luke sucking the milk out of alien boobs is canon.
humans sucking the milk out of cow tits is also canon what's your point
4672
« on: December 25, 2017, 08:03:43 PM »
Yes it fucking does. you misunderstand me Spoiler he dies, but he doesn't die "like a nobody"; it all happens during a very plot-heavy scene where the only reason he died at all is because of his failure to account for his apprentice's true allegiances, which makes for an excellent establishing character moment for kylo
you shouldn't care about him, because he's not the most interesting thing about the story
i'd like to learn more about him as well, but him dying doesn't mean those answers won't be given
but they're answers i personally don't need or want, because i never gave a shit about snoke as a character anyway
4673
« on: December 25, 2017, 07:59:50 PM »
The lasers fired by snoke's flagship arcing through SPACE like artillery triggered me
Physics in SW have always been stupid. It didn't bother me.
What does bother me is the 7km Dreadnought having a measly 24 point defense cannons.
It's like they wanted it to get destroyed.
>nerd complaints into the trash
4674
« on: December 25, 2017, 07:57:15 PM »
Spoiler ]Also, ships can just track other ships through hyperspace, which is all sorts of dumb
4675
« on: December 25, 2017, 07:51:54 PM »
Spoiler More medium and two-shots would be nice though. Cinematography was pretty stale outside of the action sequences.
Spoiler um, did you SEE the trippy mirror sequence i walked out of this movie thinking that the cinematography was noticeably of a higher caliber than most other SW films
4676
« on: December 25, 2017, 07:50:34 PM »
canto bight was fine guys
pretty who cares-tier
4677
« on: December 25, 2017, 07:49:01 PM »
I'm so happy to get a safe RoTJ ripoff for 9 because everybody keeps badmouthing this one.
JJ please fill me with NOSTALGIA
MAKE ME CLAP WHEN I SEE THINGS I KNOW
i honestly felt like this was the rotj ripoff it was different enough for me to consider it one of my new favorites, of course but the parallels to the OT were definitely tipped in rotj's scale, i think
4678
« on: December 25, 2017, 07:48:02 PM »
Spoiler The casino part and the dog-horse race afterwards was one of the worst sequences in any Star Wars movie.
Not just "one of" the worst. It's IS the worst right next to...Spoiler The four-dicked mlik monsters.
They can put Jar Jar back into the movie as a main characjter for all I care just as long as I never have to see that part again.
Spoiler i knew there would be some babies complaining about that part
it was literally nothing
you drink milk from animals just as smelly and gross looking
4679
« on: December 25, 2017, 07:44:30 PM »
Spoiler anyone else feel snoke was disappointing? I thought he'd detect what kylo was doing but nope. Him falling off the the throne was pretty satisfying tho
Spoiler Kylo tricked Snoke; he was moving the lightsaber in his hands at the same time as the lightsaber next to Snoke.
no no no no NO, YOU BOTH HAVE IT ALL WRONG Spoiler snoke never failed to detect what kylo was doing, and he wasn't "tricked," per se
snoke knew exactly what kylo was doing
"Pathetic child. I cannot be betrayed, I cannot be beaten. I see his mind, I see his every intent. Yes. I see him turning the lightsaber to strike true. And now, foolish child. He ignites it, and kills his true enemy!"
the only thing he failed to account for was the fact that his "true enemy" was not rey, it was snoke himself
so if anything, snoke fooled himself, kylo did not fool him
that's what made that scene so amazing, and that's why snoke's death isn't just a throwaway thing; it's a major character moment for kylo ren
4680
« on: December 25, 2017, 07:38:05 PM »
Spoiler That ending shot with the Force using kid felt tacked on purely to set him up in a later film. Ugh.
Spoiler okay in hindsight i didn't like this either
there were at least 4 or 5 moments where the movie could've ended, but didn't, which is among my only 3 major problems with the film
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