I wouldn't have a problem with suffering if it was voluntary, yes. Part of what made your initial question a little ridiculous to me was the 100% notion, which is just too unrealistic to even think about. If you had said the vast majority, I'd probably wonder just what makes the suffering so desirable. 100% implies that they need the suffering in order to function (which would also make it an imposition) and "vast majority" implies a number of things--none of which really favor the ideal of procreation in my eyes.

And again, I know you don't like questions like that, because they're kinda dodgy and they don't answer the question directly, but I mean, it's all part of the discussion, and questions like that certainly help to contextualize and justify the microcosm we've thought up of. It just makes it easier to answer. Or, rather, less difficult to answer.

Boring and dumb.

Since I was unbanned, I took it upon myself to search up my username here--to see how much discussion of myself has taken place in my wake. Because I do like a good stroke of the ego every once in awhile. You are all such nice people.

Then I found that, soon after I was banned, Meta had actually made a thread addressed to me, but I couldn't respond to him because of my having been banned. So, I'll take the liberty of responding now, because I'm not a guy who just... doesn't respond to queries posed to him.

Assume we live in some sort of techno-socialist utopia. Bio-ethics is ridden with abolitionism and utilitarianism; suffering simply doesn't exist anymore.

However, despite all of this amazing technological progress, suffering is offered as a choice to people. 100% of the population cause themselves to suffer in varying degrees at various point in their life.

If this were true - take it to be - would procreation still be immoral, and would suffering be still inherently undesirable in your mind?

It would still be immoral. 100% of the population submits to suffering? Doesn't sound like a choice to me.

See, you simply cannot use terms like "choice" and "100%" together like that. If I flip a coin ten times, for example, and get heads every single time, I can't say that there's a 100% chance of getting heads. Indeed, if I flipped a coin for all 7.2 billion people living on Earth right now, and I got heads 7.2 billion times, I still can't say that the coin has a 100% chance of getting heads.

The fact is, there will be at least one instance down the line where the other option is flipped. This is called statistical inevitability. There will be one outlier who will say, "Holy FUCK. This 'suffering' thing seems really fucking dumb, and I don't think I'll submit myself to it."

If I don't play devil's advocate and apply hard realism to the scenario (which I know you hate when I do), and play your scenario exactly as you... may have intended it, and literally every single human being submits to the suffering, then that cannot be described as a choice under any rational, cogent definition of the word.

Disagreements with mods and having a general hatred of the community.

me being petty does not make you less petty

if it's petty to tell others not to be petty, then i'll make the sacrifice and be the petty guy that tells others not to be petty--so you don't have to be

Quote from: Verbatim on December 29, 2014, 05:19:20 PM

there actually is an NPC that'll tell you in vague terms whether or not your IVs are perfect or not, but i don't know where he/she is

That's what I had in mind, or at least whether he plays competitively, not that you would care to realize that.

it's just silly to even assume people know what IVs are in the first place

it's only the most esoteric thing ever

yeah, tell us all about them IVs, because i'm so sure that you care to keep track of those

BaconShelf

i think a couple did, 'cause some were a little zealous over having been put into the e-tier

nope

yes

your name as it is now is an eyesore

you're not human

why do you keep bringing that up, like it was the most important moment of your life

you didn't add mine, you goddamn bitch

In fact, love should come before marriage.

Profound.