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44101
« on: January 15, 2015, 12:49:57 PM »
There's nothing inherently virtuous about being a human, and thus nothing to be lost by acting in the way that you so describe. This actually ties in quite nicely with the determinism discussion we were having a few threads over; it actually helps me understand and cope with the things you list.
We're apes. Hairless, violent apes--with nukes, no less. But, in saying that, we're still intelligent. It's not at all surprising that some people have really fucked value-systems, I mean, we're only just stumbling out of the dark ages. I don't feel animosity towards people for being stupid--not in the long-term anyway--because we are a stupid species. All species are. Heh. You just called us intelligent and stupid in the same paragraph. I'd opt for the word "sapient". It's in our binomial nomenclature.
44102
« on: January 15, 2015, 12:46:40 PM »
If you take your showers in the morning you are one weird motherfucker. Beats caffeine.
44103
« on: January 15, 2015, 12:44:43 PM »
I didn't hack challengerX; he's posted this himself...
44104
« on: January 15, 2015, 12:28:50 PM »
To me, "the truth" is axiomatically preferable to happiness. The truth gives me clarity, and clarity helps me understand. It doesn't always make me happy to understand--but I like to understand. What I like doesn't always make me happy.
44105
« on: January 15, 2015, 12:24:04 PM »
Would you not lock up natural disasters if you could, or am I missing your point there?
No, I'm saying the fact that we lack a "true" moral responsibility doesn't lead to a lack of morality. We would lock up hurricanes, earthquakes, dangerous bears (and so on) if we could purely as a matter of public safety. And we should continue doing so in the case of murderous psychopaths. We can quite forcefully and correctly say what we ought to do, even if people are at a disadvantage (or even completely incapable) of doing such things.
Okay, gotcha. It just sounded like to me that you were going down this more nihilistic path at first, and that would've been my sort of "moral obligation" to promptly dissuade you from that. lol I mean, your title alone is enough to have suggested that, really. If moral responsibility required free will, you wouldn't see so many morally responsible determinists. The way I see it, determinism would be synonymous with nihilism, if that was the case. This is also partly why I hate words like "moral" and "ethics". The words themselves, the concepts, are sort of incompatible with determinism--we just have all this matter that does a lot of stuff, and it can be either good stuff, or it can be bad stuff. Avoid the bad stuff. There's no real word for it. Does there need to be? "Responsibility" is a good word.
44106
« on: January 15, 2015, 12:08:16 PM »
Would you not lock up natural disasters if you could, or am I missing your point there?
44107
« on: January 15, 2015, 11:54:02 AM »
Oh.
44108
« on: January 15, 2015, 11:53:24 AM »
Frankly, as a determinist myself (one who is relatively unacquainted with its derivative forms), this mentality--the mentality of, "Well, everything is determined, so I guess I should be a moral nihilist" is toxic, and should be eschewed immediately.
Ultimately, yeah, everything is determined. That may SEEM to make your life futile--but the thing is... no, determinism is not the impetus for moral nihilism--it should be an impediment. The fact is, we don't know what the future is like--we can't predict our fate. We can't even predict the weather.
As a determinist, you have to realize that the only reason things are determined is, basically, because of Newton's laws of motion, yes? Taking those into account, that should inspire you to be the force that gets people to act like good, civilized, and productive human beings. You should be an advocate for good behavior. Determinism doesn't make good behavior futile--it makes it necessary.
I don't think it's redundant to speak of moralistic "oughts" in a deterministic universe--I think it's all the more reason to do so. Just because everything is "set in stone", as it were, doesn't mean we know the outcome. It doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to change undesirable outcomes. Because that's not determinism, that's defeatism.
They keyword is "try". Make an effort. Read your script. Do your duty.
44109
« on: January 15, 2015, 11:31:49 AM »
Yo nigga how the fuck do you request the nameplate There's a drop-down menu under your avatar up there. One of the options is "nameplates". You'll find it. It's the "beyond the sea" nameplate, for whatever reason. I don't think of classic jazz songs when I think of "anarchy," but you know, whatever.
44110
« on: January 15, 2015, 11:22:11 AM »
Well, that's good to hear. I'm glad that people here (myself included, make no mistake) hold their pets in high regard.
Just, if something ever rubs me the wrong way, especially when it comes to a sanction or social norm, I gotta take a critical glance on it...
44111
« on: January 15, 2015, 11:15:16 AM »
I can't really argue that point considering that I don't know how domestication the dog happened. It could have been a mutual thing, or one-sided. If you know anything about it I'd be interested to read itm It's a mystery, but people have their theories.
44112
« on: January 15, 2015, 11:05:35 AM »
Is it ethical to push someone into a crevice and swiftly pull them back and say, "Saved your life"?
...huh? I don't understand this analogy.
The only reason animals need to be taken care of is because we fucked them up. A lot of people abuse and neglect animals, which gets them in shelters. A lot of people specially breed them, which has an entire host of health risks. This has drastically reduced their capacity to survive out in the wild (if they had much a capacity to begin with... like Aria, I'm ignorant of how domestication took place, so I might just be talking shit right now). Again, I just wanna make it clear that these thoughts aren't ironclad right now. I'm simply postulating--hence my first post.
44113
« on: January 15, 2015, 10:56:41 AM »
Maybe my view is just different because I view dogs as companions instead of pets. Well, so do I, though. I'm just conceding that we sort of made them our companions. I don't think it started off as a mutual thing. Well, obviously. But that doesn't mean owning a pet is unethical - it's just some people are shitty people. I don't know. Is it ethical to push someone into a crevice and swiftly pull them back and say, "Saved your life"? Most people are shitty. I wouldn't trust the average person to own a pet. That's just me.
44114
« on: January 15, 2015, 10:45:13 AM »
Pets aren't there for our entertainment. They're part of the family. Well, says you. Not everyone thinks of their pets that way. They're evil, but they're there.
44115
« on: January 15, 2015, 10:44:38 AM »
Nearly every dog we've had beside the Chow was adopted. It's a home with food and affection vs the shelter, so I'd think that the situation is a nonchoice. Turning them loose is what probably had them end up in the pound in the first place, so a domesticated animal being set free is giving it the option between dying or being adopted. Well no, I'm not trying to say we should just let them all loose. That would be retarded. I have two chihuahuas--one of which gets heavy seizures very frequently because of her fucked up physiology. Ain't no way, no how she'd make it out there. I'm just saying, we probably should have never started to own pets. Now we can't stop, because our pets are designed to be pets. It's just a little fucked up to me. All of it. Not just pure-breeding.
44116
« on: January 15, 2015, 10:33:33 AM »
I've been questioning the ethics of owning pets at all lately.
Really? Why?
Because I certainly wouldn't want to be "owned" by anyone for their entertainment. Thing is, most pets seem to be okay with it... but does that necessarily make it okay?...
44117
« on: January 15, 2015, 10:28:24 AM »
I've been questioning the ethics of owning pets at all lately.
44118
« on: January 15, 2015, 10:21:49 AM »
I live up in the attic, so...
44119
« on: January 15, 2015, 10:15:20 AM »
Tattoos are dumb.
44120
« on: January 15, 2015, 09:46:47 AM »
44121
« on: January 15, 2015, 07:15:38 AM »
How did it feel to ban him?
Felt good, didn't it?
Felt REAL good.
Do that more.
44122
« on: January 15, 2015, 07:12:21 AM »
Whenever. Usually in the morning, so I'm wide awake.
44123
« on: January 15, 2015, 07:02:39 AM »
nope
gives a relaxed tone; see no reason to do so unless i wanna give a dry tone, or otherwise
44124
« on: January 15, 2015, 07:00:25 AM »
that would be because she's a minor
and i'm a poor college student who's not gonna be able to move out of my parents' house for another two to three years
44125
« on: January 15, 2015, 06:58:56 AM »
i just get a bunch of people raising their arms
44126
« on: January 15, 2015, 06:57:09 AM »
aw shit son
bonus points if it used buzzwords like "edgy" and "autistic" or any derivative forms
44127
« on: January 15, 2015, 06:53:18 AM »
Someone only had one lines worth of shit about me?
Come the fuck on.
44128
« on: January 15, 2015, 06:46:20 AM »
Who said the article has to be wholly flattering? If you wanted it to be convincing, you'd either pepper insults here and there or write it straight-up like an ED article...
44129
« on: January 15, 2015, 06:42:09 AM »
Let's play a game called "Who Wrote Their Own Article?"
44130
« on: January 14, 2015, 01:38:56 PM »
I'm dumb in a lot of areas.
Aren't engineers supposed to be like... skilled in everything but English?
it's so funny that you say that
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