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43051
« on: February 03, 2015, 10:00:45 AM »
Because there's nothing inherently wrong with suffering, which seems to be the entire reason for wanting to eliminate it. For the fifth time, it's NOT. There's nothing inherently wrong with suffering--that doesn't mean it HAS to happen. That doesn't mean it HAS to exist. Invariably, it is BETTER if there is NO suffering.
43052
« on: February 03, 2015, 09:57:58 AM »
What sense does it make for a species to force its own extinction because it cannot fulfill a logically impossible moral requirement? Perfect sense. I don't know what's so troubling about it, to be honest. You're going to have to tell me.
43053
« on: February 03, 2015, 09:53:29 AM »
True, true.
43054
« on: February 03, 2015, 09:51:59 AM »
He's probably trolling.
43055
« on: February 03, 2015, 09:45:40 AM »
I don't answer loaded questions.
43056
« on: February 03, 2015, 09:44:50 AM »
Someone fucking ban this cunt.
43057
« on: February 03, 2015, 09:43:38 AM »
Answer my question please. I DID. Meta actually understands what the fuck I'm saying, and he summed up my position quite well.
43058
« on: February 03, 2015, 09:41:19 AM »
What's so horrible about suffering?
As I said in my first post, through suffering comes wisdom, enlightenment, and growth. Refer to Meta's post. We learn and grow from pain and suffering, struggle and conflict
You're missing the entire point. Verb isn't saying that suffering can NEVER have some sort of utility, he's saying it needn't operate in a position of utility or disutility at all.
43059
« on: February 03, 2015, 09:38:10 AM »
Tell me first why whales should go extinct. Birds. Lions. Insects.
Go ahead and tell me what ending the existence of a species will accomplish. No life, no suffering. Boom. Go ahead, ask some more embarrassingly easy questions.
43060
« on: February 03, 2015, 09:32:32 AM »
Anyways, how about you stop derailing your own topic and actually provide some good arguments for me? You derailed the thread, and I have provided an argument. Apparently, the idea that I want the human race to go EXTINCT is (somehow) news to you. Now it's YOUR turn to show to me why the human race shouldn't go extinct. You will fail.
43061
« on: February 03, 2015, 09:28:29 AM »
Nah, I can do as I please. Reported.
43062
« on: February 03, 2015, 09:25:33 AM »
Fuck you. Get out of the fucking thread if you're not gonna discuss the fucking subject.
I was miserable for YEARS before I became an anti-natalist.
And I've been one for almost three years. Yeah, some "phase".
43064
« on: February 03, 2015, 09:20:39 AM »
Say all humans stop reproducing completely. Now fast forward 50 years.
Do you see the problem? ...No. Unless your goal is to eventually end all of human existence, then you should be able to see why it's fucking stupid. . . . OF COURSE THAT'S THE FUCKING GOAL. How the fuck could you NOT know that?
43065
« on: February 03, 2015, 09:17:33 AM »
That's stupid, and not the natural cycle of things. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-natureCreating or giving life is not evil my any means whatsoever, and probably the dumbest of all your ideology. Life is what you make of it. If you're going to say that it's bad and evil, then I guess it is. [insert nonsensical, ambiguous platitude here] "life is what you make of it, durr" That's philosophy to you. You're such a waste of time. Life is chaos. Wrong. Everything is determined. If you fail to predict an event accurately, then all that means is that there are outlying variables that you failed to account for. Period. There is no chaos. At all.
43066
« on: February 03, 2015, 09:09:52 AM »
Because it's not the truth. And it was off subject.
43067
« on: February 03, 2015, 09:01:13 AM »
The initial implementation of b.next on January 9th, 2013.
At that point, I already hated the site, and only came for the Coup group, so...
43068
« on: February 03, 2015, 08:54:31 AM »
apples arn't fruits IDIOT
43069
« on: February 03, 2015, 08:52:42 AM »
he already had that
43070
« on: February 03, 2015, 08:48:17 AM »
We learn and grow from pain and suffering, struggle and conflict- if you're strong enough to overcome it. That's were true wisdom and enlightenment comes from. That's how life teaches us its hardest lessons. To just say "fuck it, life sucks and is pointless" means that you've failed to make it fulfilling. But finding how to make life fulfilling is generally the goal for all of us. *jerk off motion* Yeah, whatever. You're missing the point anyway. I'm not saying life sucks; therefore life sucks. I'm saying life sucks; therefore, don't have kids, because imposing life on them is obnoxious, unasked for, and, frankly, evil. It's chaotic, False. You're not gonna be able to tell that to a determinist.
43071
« on: February 03, 2015, 08:27:13 AM »
I'm not going to chastise people for having kids, either. Neither would I. I hope I never gave the impression that I did, because I don't, and I never have. That would be obnoxious and fruitless--it's not like there's an undo button. If there was, then procreation wouldn't be an issue for me at all. But no, strictly, what I try to do is incite trepidation within people who do want to start a family down the line. That's all I really can do, apart from engaging in... Whatever this is. Internet polemics.
43072
« on: February 03, 2015, 08:14:51 AM »
For me to want humanity gone, humanity itself would have to go into quick spiral of self destruction in which the majority no longer cares or humanity no longer has a chance at survival due to any number of factors. See, from my perspective, we're basically already at that point. Humanity doesn't have a chance at survival--someone brought up the entropic heat death of the universe. Though, I assume you're talking about more... I don't know, imminent scenarios.
43073
« on: February 03, 2015, 08:10:38 AM »
yeah but that's just sad
43074
« on: February 03, 2015, 08:09:33 AM »
For the record, I'm not an anti-natalist but I still don't plan on having children. CWould you advocate that others have children? If you wouldn't, then, as far as I'm concerned, you're an anti-natalist.
43075
« on: February 03, 2015, 08:06:11 AM »
Enjoy what little of life you can, even if it is full of suffering. You see, though, that's precisely what I'm saying. Like, yeah. Do that. But why drag others into it? You don't have to have kids to enjoy your life--I would argue that kids tend to do the exact opposite.
43076
« on: February 03, 2015, 08:01:51 AM »
For me?
Life could be hell, but I would never want all of humanity gone either, just because suffering exists. Wonderful--now I get to ask my favorite question in the world. Why?
43077
« on: February 03, 2015, 07:53:22 AM »
I would be an anti-natalist if I didn't see it, as I've said before, as the 'ultimate scepticism'.
I don't see it as even remotely feasible, so I really assign the idea any utility. I have no decent argument against it, except the notion that my promulgation of it would essentially be a waste of time. Though you do, of course, realize that it's that sort of defeatist mentality that " makes" it a waste of time, similar to how a lot of third party proponents in America will refuse to vote for who they actually believe in, simply because of their (self-fulfilling) prophecy that their third party candidate will never get into office, because... no one "else" votes for them. That's gotta some type of cognitive bias. "Argument from futility", is that a thing? That ought to be a logical fallacy, right?
43078
« on: February 03, 2015, 07:39:31 AM »
To become an anti-natalist?
Nuclear holocaust I guess.
Then again, I could become many things in a post-apocalyptic scenario. Yeah. I mean, really, the whole point of this is to just get you to entertain the thought of it. A lot of people like to brush it off, when, from my perspective, it is the most important message that I have to give to humanity right now, and I'm trying to come up with ways to get people thinking about it. Taking it seriously. Because if you're willing to even entertain the thought, that shows open-mindedness, which gives me a little more hope that the idea can sort of enter the mainstream, if even for a fleeting moment. So I'm just glad you're able to even consider the possibility. Edit: Karjala's post is the perfect example of the kind of troglodyte that I'm talking about. Closed-minded, refuses to even entertain the possibility, uses terms like "theoretically possible"...
43079
« on: February 03, 2015, 07:31:17 AM »
Frequently.
43080
« on: February 03, 2015, 07:09:14 AM »
I got drunk last night and threw up all over my bathroom.
Yeah... That's intelligent.
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