Obviously no one is. But you can't stop the universe from doing so.

I would like to see the universe try and stop me.

I'm an advocate for a philosophy that I believe in. I'm going to fucking TRY to get people not to have kids.

Everything in life is basically a test to see how far you go.

Who are you to impose some stupid test on someone?

I don't see the issue. That's basically what scientists do with lab rats.

Scientists are doing productive things with their specimens for the benefit of, you know, science.

People don't have kids for the same reasons. At all. Not even close.

I'd like you to clarify why not having kids--if taken as a moral imperative--is at all logical impossible.

Drawing a triangle with four sides? THAT's logically impossible.

He's referring to the fact that I refer to life as an imposition. I often say, I would have no problem with natalism (giving birth) if you had a choice in the matter. If you could give your consent, I wouldn't have problems with procreation. Because you could say, "Wow, fuck you, I don't wanna be a part of that hellhole."

But because that's not possible, Kupo thinks it's okay to impose life. Because there has to be an existing person to consent in order for it to matter.

That's his logic.

Life isn't supposed to be fair.

All the more reason not to impose life on others.

What sense does it make for a species to force its own extinction because it cannot fulfill a logically impossible moral requirement?

Perfect sense. I don't know what's so troubling about it, to be honest. You're going to have to tell me.

He's probably trolling.

Someone fucking ban this cunt.

What's so horrible about suffering?
As I said in my first post, through suffering comes wisdom, enlightenment, and growth.

Refer to Meta's post.

Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 08:41:08 AM

We learn and grow from pain and suffering, struggle and conflict

You're missing the entire point. Verb isn't saying that suffering can NEVER have some sort of utility, he's saying it needn't operate in a position of utility or disutility at all.

Anyways, how about you stop derailing your own topic and actually provide some good arguments for me?

You derailed the thread, and I have provided an argument. Apparently, the idea that I want the human race to go EXTINCT is (somehow) news to you. Now it's YOUR turn to show to me why the human race shouldn't go extinct.

You will fail.

Fuck you. Get out of the fucking thread if you're not gonna discuss the fucking subject.

I was miserable for YEARS before I became an anti-natalist.

And I've been one for almost three years. Yeah, some "phase".

Say all humans stop reproducing completely. Now fast forward 50 years.
Do you see the problem?

...No.

Unless your goal is to eventually end all of human existence, then you should be able to see why it's fucking stupid.

. . .

OF COURSE THAT'S THE FUCKING GOAL. How the fuck could you NOT know that?

Because it's not the truth. And it was off subject.

apples arn't fruits IDIOT

We learn and grow from pain and suffering, struggle and conflict- if you're strong enough to overcome it. That's were true wisdom and enlightenment comes from. That's how life teaches us its hardest lessons. To just say "fuck it, life sucks and is pointless" means that you've failed to make it fulfilling. But finding how to make life fulfilling is generally the goal for all of us.

*jerk off motion*

Yeah, whatever.

You're missing the point anyway. I'm not saying life sucks; therefore life sucks. I'm saying life sucks; therefore, don't have kids, because imposing life on them is obnoxious, unasked for, and, frankly, evil.

It's chaotic,

False. You're not gonna be able to tell that to a determinist.