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42931
« on: February 04, 2015, 05:24:23 PM »
You are also really good at instigating, Chally. I don't even mean that negatively, it's truly an amazing trait that if applied elsewhere, could really do things. In the practical world. why would you encourage him
42932
« on: February 04, 2015, 05:16:58 PM »
Ouch. yeah, i gotta say pretty goddamn unmotivated to watch anything else after that
42933
« on: February 04, 2015, 05:14:13 PM »
i just don't go to restaurants at all
because i think tipping is fucking retarded
42934
« on: February 04, 2015, 05:11:30 PM »
Well, that' better than 0/10.
not when you consider that the only thing good about it was the fact that it ended and was only eighty-three minutes
42935
« on: February 04, 2015, 05:08:12 PM »
Did you ever get around to watching anything from that thread? Ghost in the Shell. 2/10.
42936
« on: February 04, 2015, 05:04:03 PM »
It's all garbage. People are dumb. No surprises.
42937
« on: February 04, 2015, 04:55:54 PM »
Anti natalism would be genocide in practice. You will always be wrong. This is getting absolutely nowhere; I'm done. Be ignorant and delusional for all I care.
42939
« on: February 04, 2015, 04:45:21 PM »
Practicality is all that matters. I'm gonna hold you to that. I don't ever wanna see you posting anything frivolous, ever.
42940
« on: February 04, 2015, 04:42:26 PM »
yeah
42941
« on: February 04, 2015, 04:31:07 PM »
voluntary celibacy Careful. We've been over this--there's nothing about celibacy in anti-natalism. the rest is good tho
42942
« on: February 04, 2015, 04:24:55 PM »
If the philosophy would result in forced non-reproduction (which it would), then it's genocide. There's just no two ways about it. It doesn't matter if in theory such and such is not supposed to happen, what matters is what would happen. Even if it would happen, that's still not genocide. It's only genocide if I say, "Let's KILL EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO HAVE KIDS." And then I actually do it. That's what genocide is, cupcake.
42943
« on: February 04, 2015, 04:21:24 PM »
Right, that was my point. What was your point? I'm saying that natalism (being for procreation) is wrong, because by your "one bad apple spoils the bunch" logic, one shitty life makes it justified to end it all. Or, more aptly, to passively accept extinction via the abstention from procreation.
42944
« on: February 04, 2015, 04:16:54 PM »
Why? To enforce babies not being born. What have you learned about anti-natalism, then? Nothing? Obviously. But I mean... Nothing nothing? Anti-natalists posit that unmitigated suffering is an invariably negative value experience (note the word unmitigated, please. This isn't the type of suffering you learn shit from--this is unjustified violence to enforce law, like you're suggesting here). There is no reason that an anti-natalist would resort, then, to imposing violence upon those who simply oppose them. That is diametrically opposed to everything that an anti-natalist stands for. Referring back to what Meta said--a violent anti-natalist is like saying a meat-eating vegan, or a godless Christian.
42945
« on: February 04, 2015, 04:09:58 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember there being a core tenet prohibiting violence.
Is there such a tenet? And if there is, do you seriously think people would care when they violate "thou shalt not kill" every day? What did I JUST FUCKING SAY... PACIFISM. It's a necessary component to the philosophy. How about we listen to the guy who's studied it for two years, maybe.
42946
« on: February 04, 2015, 04:07:13 PM »
Humanity is not an ideology Natalism is. Learn what a no true scotsman fallacy is. I never made one. ]Of course you "can't". You're biased beyond all reason. No, I just know more about the philosophy than you, quite obviously. So, tell me--you're never wrong, so tell me--Why would an anti-natalist be violent?
42947
« on: February 04, 2015, 04:04:20 PM »
There's no reason any anti-natalist would even want to be violent. I can't possibly contrive a scenario where there would be a violent anti-natalist, for ANY reason. At all.
42948
« on: February 04, 2015, 04:02:50 PM »
If the suicide bomber killed others in the name of Jainism, I very well could. Under the same line of reasoning, I could say that one person suffering is enough for me to call life a horrible imposition that needs to end. a lot of people have to do a great many things - they don't. You think humans would behave differently because...? Because if that ended up being the case, they WOULDN'T be anti-natalists. They would be glib duplicitous shitheads.
42949
« on: February 04, 2015, 03:56:29 PM »
And according to Muslims, Islam is a religion of peace. There's a difference between rhetoric and... actually believing in what you're saying. You HAVE to be a pacifist if you're an anti-natalist. You have to. If you're not a pacifist, you CAN'T be an anti-natalist, because you're violating the fundamental premise of anti-natalism that pain and suffering shouldn't happen to anyone (unless you have a great cause--and hurting people for wanting to have kids is NOT a good cause).
42950
« on: February 04, 2015, 03:52:11 PM »
Maybe not you specifically, but let's say "anti natalists" or as I like to call them "genocidal maniacs" are the majority with their ideology being mainstream.
Are you really going to sit there and tell me no human being would react violent? You, the hater of suffering and those who cause it, who bemoans all the suffering caused by the grand majority of humans? I don't follow. Are you saying the anti-natalist majority would be violent? If so, that's preposterous on its face. Anti-natalism is a philosophy you can only subscribe to if you're a pacifist. If you're saying the natalist minority would react violent, then, well, that kind of makes them the assholes, doesn't it?
42951
« on: February 04, 2015, 03:47:30 PM »
What was? The muting, or you being afraid of him?
42952
« on: February 04, 2015, 03:46:25 PM »
people would resist So that automatically means that people like me would resort to violence, right? Enjoy being wrong.
42953
« on: February 04, 2015, 03:40:34 PM »
This really isn't a problem with Challenger. It's a problem with how people can become morally dumbfounded. In the same way people can become logically dumbfounded and fail to accept the correct answer to the Monty Hall problem.
Which is why philosophy education ought to be mandatory. I guess I just have to approach the subject more tactfully next time, if I ever introduce it to another group of people. But... How? At some point, I'm gonna have to bring up the fact that, yeah, if everyone's an anti-natalist, we're going extinct. It's not a "goal" so much as it is the method to which we will destroy all suffering, or disutility. But that's still not enough to cozy people up to the idea.
42954
« on: February 04, 2015, 03:33:34 PM »
If it's not genocide, it's just gonna be some other negative label that makes me look like the bad guy. The insane guy.
This is how challengerX functions. This is how he argues.
42955
« on: February 04, 2015, 03:28:45 PM »
I'd say it would count as genocide. Because it would be forced due to the fact that it wouldn't be completely voluntary "the deliberate killing of a large group of people" "an indiscriminate and brutal slaughter of people" "choosing not to procreate" one of these things is not like the other
42956
« on: February 04, 2015, 03:24:54 PM »
So, would voluntary extinction count as a form of genocide? No. I don't even know how you could contrive that.
42957
« on: February 04, 2015, 03:22:59 PM »
It wouldn't be voluntary, it'd be forced. That's the only way for it to be possible. Says you.
42958
« on: February 04, 2015, 03:19:30 PM »
I do tend to hate games the more realistic they try to be.
42959
« on: February 04, 2015, 03:16:53 PM »
Someone has to exist to be killed, Chally. The only cause of death in that situation would be father time. I get what you're saying- that he's advocating mass extinction and this could be considered a negative for a species- but that's not the same thing as genocide. I honestly think he's trolling. No one could honestly contrive that genocide involves anything else other than actually killing.
42960
« on: February 04, 2015, 12:00:36 PM »
Not having kids = Genocide.
K.
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