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i believe morality is objective although I'm having trouble defining the source, some argue it's god but i dunno wouldn't that make it subjective to those that only believe in god?? hmm
I'm an atheist, and I don't need a god to tell me that it's objectively wrong to hurt others.

Well, without their consent. Consent is huge. Simply put, you need consent in order to justify anything you do that could potentially harm another person. Otherwise, it necessitates a massive ethical transgression.

The only time lack-of-consent is ever okay is if you KNOW, 100%, that the outcome will be positive. If your wife is being raped, for example, I think it's ethically justifiable to kill the fucker who's raping her. Or otherwise incapacitate him. Stopping someone from being raped is... objectively good. So, it remains consistent with my objective value system, or the objective value system, I should say.

Oh, and by the way, you can't "like" being raped. That's always what I hear. You can't like being raped. You can enjoy a rape fantasy, because it creates a thrill that you can walk yourself out of, but if you were to rape someone who likes to fantasize about being raped, I guarantee that they won't enjoy it.

I feel like I'm firing off in all directions right now--this is kind of a messy subject, but it's a great one to discuss.

Anyone who believes morality is subjective, I'd like to see some counterexamples. You're going to have to illustrate a scenario wherein a nonconsensual act can ever be justified if the outcome results in a negative value experience (ie. justify Pendulate's example--justify stabbing someone in the foot who doesn't want to have their foot stabbed and has no reason to be stabbed in the foot).

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A few centuries ago, a few thousand years ago, it was fine and dandy to go up to someone, kill them, rape their loved one, kill them or do whatever. And now it's not. In another few hundred years, maybe a few thousand, things will also be different.
An odd interpretation of our progress. Personally, I would prefer to use words like "advance" or "learned" rather than "different". The fact is, we've made an advance from that time. If we lived in a time where rape was okay, and now it isn't, that's a wonderful thing. To say that it might be "different" in the future, instead of further advanced, is suggesting that we could regress. That there might be a time when rape is looked upon as okay again. Personally, I can't think of any modern examples of ethical regressions. Once we figure out that something is bad, we tend to stick with it. So, yes, future views on ethics will be different, but they will most likely be better.
Then that therefore means those laws had to be created or that they formed from a base of something. And that's approaching rapidly on a creator or a god.
Please, refer to my first post. We create the laws through our sentient existence. You conceded in your previous post that without our sentient experience, everything would be pointless--and you are correct. So, our conscious experience gives all meaning in the universe. Why's that? Because we can feel. We can hurt. This, in itself, outlines our objective moral system.

This is why I hate the word "morality". I prefer ethics, or "objective value system". Because it does have divine connotations. I think we should throw the word "morality" out the window.

Our objective value system is defined by our capacity to derive negative experience from our lives. The ultimate goal is to maximize positive experience, and minimize negative experience for all sentient beings. That's the right thing to do, objectively.

If you've ever watched a good film lately, and paid attention to the villains, the "bad guys", the antagonists, and paid strict attention to their purpose in the story, you might take to notice that, even though they're evil, their philosophies often have some kernel of truth. They might be trying to work for the greater good. Take Ultron for example (I won't spoil it if you haven't seen the film). As outlined in the film, he was created by Tony Stark and Bruce Banner to help the Avengers save the world in future global crises. However, when he is finished, he's bent on destroying humanity instead. He cannot differentiate between saving humanity and destroying it--he thinks they're the same thing.

And there's a great line, but I can't seem to remember how it goes. It went something like:
"The question isn't whether he believes humanity should be destroyed. The question is if he's right."

Something to that effect. Would the world be better off without humans?
Should we stop reproducing and let ourselves go extinct?

There are right or wrong answers to these questions. It's true that we can have our interpretations, but if you're capable of making decisions based on logic (it is logical to not want to break someone's arm, because that's going to create a HUGE deficit in positive feeling), the choices become more and more clear.

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Serious / Re: I feel I am becoming a Buddhist. I like it! : D
« on: May 06, 2015, 12:59:23 AM »
Alright enough. Clean up time.
WOOOOOOW

I'm suing you for millions, if not billions of dollars once I get my lawyer, Flee on the phone.
*cringe*

OT:
I'd probably be a Buddhist, if I hadn't made the decision long ago that I'd rather not associate myself with any religions.

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The Flood / Re: Not a Narc: Marijuana?
« on: May 06, 2015, 12:21:18 AM »
everyone loves drugs
*post*

OOPS proved you wrong

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I'm gonna be really base with you, all right?

1. Sentient beings feel.
2. Feelings create objective value.
3. Value can be either positive or negative*.
4. Morality is derived from this value system.
5. Morality is objective, because the value system is objective.

* Here, the line is drawn at suffering. Or discomfort. Or disutility. Any level of negative experience could be described as an objective negative value.

For example, nobody, not even a masochist, wants to have their arms broken. This has objective negative value. From this, we can infer a given set of "rules" from which we can derive an objective morality:

"Thou shalt not fuck with people's arms, ye crazy cunth."

Any questions?

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The Flood / Re: Not a Narc: Marijuana?
« on: May 05, 2015, 08:29:22 PM »
i'm a terrible friend because i care about their welfare and mental wellbeing, yeah

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The Flood / Re: Saying that the US isn't free is pure ignorance
« on: May 05, 2015, 08:22:13 PM »
well there you go
Nowhere is totally free, take your psuedo bullshit outta here
*pseudo

even then, pseudo bullshit means fake bullshit
as in, not bullshit
as in, truth

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The Flood / Re: (NSFW) Student films a school blowing up
« on: May 05, 2015, 02:08:58 PM »
LOOK AT THIS SHIT


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The Flood / Re: (NSFW) Student films a school blowing up
« on: May 05, 2015, 01:59:06 PM »
>haven't signed in on Twitter in months
>can't remember which e-mail I used
>"We detected unusual activity on your account. To secure your account, please change your password before logging back in."
>Fuck you
>Enter my e-mail
>"Email a link to Ja**@r***.**"
>Sign in with that e-mail to verify my account
>"We haven't seen you sign in from this location before. Choose a method below to verify that it's really you signing in to this account."
>Sends verification code to another e-mail that I haven't used in YEARS
>FUCK YOOOOOOOOOOOU

thanks for reminding me that I fucking hate Yahoo's security, anyway

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The Flood / Re: Not a Narc: Marijuana?
« on: May 05, 2015, 11:40:31 AM »
Taking it as merely, "Everything is a substance so just injest whatever you want to," says to me that you're not getting what I'm trying to convey. Which is fine, I wouldn't expect you to, as opinionated as you are. It's not surprising you'd think I'd be using such a fact to condone drug use even though I explicitly stated that I wasn't.
then what was your point

to tell me something that i already know
hence, "spare me"

thank you

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The Flood / Re: Lol, grandma just figured out I smoke
« on: May 05, 2015, 11:33:48 AM »
>having terrible teeth and breath so bad no one will want to kiss you

lel
what's your excuse then?
MOM GET THE CAMERA

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The Flood / Re: Not a Narc: Marijuana?
« on: May 05, 2015, 11:29:43 AM »
i mean really, that's like telling someone who's trying to be healthy, "well, EVERYTHING is unhealthy"

and while you're not wrong, per se, it's just pedantic and irritating

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The Flood / Re: Not a Narc: Marijuana?
« on: May 05, 2015, 11:27:48 AM »
Well technically your brain is under the influence of substances essentially always due to the things everyone ingests.
ugh, i knew someone was gonna try to bring this stupid-ass shit up

spare me

the thing about drugs is that you are voluntarily under the influence of them

you have to eat food
you DON'T have to do drugs

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Serious / Re: You know what atheists? Fuck you
« on: May 05, 2015, 11:15:54 AM »
“I wouldn’t even be mad if they put something from the Quran.”

Sure you wouldn't!

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How would others and myself modding Skyrim ruin yours and anyone else playing the game experience when whatever we do would not be seen in yours or theirs? Whatever mods we would be running would not be effecting your game at all.
i never said it would affect my experience

i just don't care

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How would it be bad when you wouldn't even see those faces? Like I said your game would still remain the same and whatever I do to mine would not affect yours at all.
you couldn't have possibly made that less clear if you tried

either way, i don't care
i'm not just concerned about my own experience; i never am

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Your game would still be the same.
except it would have different faces

which is bad

"same" means "same"

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Because whoever did the video is pissing on the developers art by editing those faces on the models and changing the music to something else.
youtube videos do not affect the game itself at all, whatsoever

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The Flood / Re: Not a Narc: Marijuana?
« on: May 05, 2015, 10:39:54 AM »
Actually it's legal medically in Michigan: http://norml.org/legal/item/michigan-medical-marijuana
Why do you hate drugs, and to what degree would you say you hate users of Marijuana versus other drugs?
yeah, i knew that, but that's not quite enough for me and... basically 80% of my state

but i mean, whatever, i'd rather you smoke weed than inject heroin, but it's just the principle alone of altering your perception that i hate, especially when our neurochemistry is so volatile and fragile as it is--why would anyone want to fuck with it

i sure wouldn't
ever

your brain is kind of important--i wouldn't want to alter how it perceives things even temporarily
and no one who values their intelligence should either

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YouTube
Oh man Verb is going to shit himself when he sees that. That would be one epic mod.
why would i

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The Flood / Re: Not a Narc: Marijuana?
« on: May 05, 2015, 10:28:10 AM »
still illegal in michigan, unfortunately

despite my stance on legalization, i hate drugs, intensely
i've almost lost friends on numerous occasions over their drug usage, because that's how strongly i hate it

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The Flood / Re: Saying that the US isn't free is pure ignorance
« on: May 05, 2015, 10:15:28 AM »
well there you go

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The Flood / Re: Saying that the US isn't free is pure ignorance
« on: May 05, 2015, 10:11:19 AM »
And by free, I mean free compared to most countries.
personally, i prefer "free" to mean "free"

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Serious / Re: If you can't speak English, you shouldn't be voting
« on: May 05, 2015, 10:05:05 AM »
I don't into politics at all, but shouldn't something like this, which to me seems distorting a message to force votes, be illegal?
you'd also have to want to ban campaign ads and shit

which i'm all for

but this barely qualifies as "distorting a message" because you'd have to be an absolute halfwit to not realize what they're telling you to do (and you're certainly not a halfwit just because you may not be able to read english)

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Serious / Re: Why "social justice" is bullshit
« on: May 05, 2015, 09:59:10 AM »
Then I don't really get the idea of pushing 'social justice' as bullshit.
clickb8

:^)

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Serious / Re: I feel I am becoming a Buddhist. I like it! : D
« on: May 05, 2015, 12:27:18 AM »
i just wrote that one down in my meme book (where i keep all my epic memes)

i hope you don't mind

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Serious / Re: I feel I am becoming a Buddhist. I like it! : D
« on: May 05, 2015, 12:21:40 AM »
I like the ascetism of it.
*tips fedora*
L.O.L.

well meemed

i almost suffocated from the sheer hilarity of this snappy retort

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The Flood / Re: I am the Legendary Jive Turkey. AmA
« on: May 04, 2015, 11:29:54 PM »
why can't i ever come up with interesting or pertinent things to ask when it comes to these threads
Because you're boring
if i can't come up with a question to ask someone, it's probably because i don't find them interesting enough, not the other way around

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The Flood / Re: Man, fuck people
« on: May 04, 2015, 11:06:19 PM »
Basically, yeah.

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The Flood / Re: I am the Legendary Jive Turkey. AmA
« on: May 04, 2015, 11:03:47 PM »
how do you feel about death grips

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