you're just SHOOTING ZOMBIES

UGH

is that supposed to mean something

Agumon

This joke has never been done before.

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Quote from: Jester | Lemön is a fag on May 06, 2015, 10:42:37 AM

Nobody will guess mine /sarcasam

lol leliana only looks good by mods

careful, that's something i would say

but you hate mods

exactly?

i never said mods can't improve upon a game
it's just kind of sad and pathetic for the game developer's when they do

Bonus points if it's not based on epilepsy.

Quote from: Jester | Lemön is a fag on May 06, 2015, 10:42:37 AM

Nobody will guess mine /sarcasam

lol leliana only looks good by mods

careful, that's something i would say

I'm curious as to where you've been where people said you can enjoy rape. I mean, there's guy in a field in the middle of nowhere opinions like mine.

And then there's that.

Which is stupid.

Being me, you tend to get a lot of people who will scrutinize everything you say. I merely anticipated some chucklehead to respond to my post asking some inane question like, "But what if you enjoy being raped?" So I made a pre-emptive strike, is all.

But our point of view isn't an absolute, not 100%, because you still have the big picture sitting behind the pretty coat of paint.

Right, hence the whole advancement thing. It's important to discuss ethics so that we can better ourselves in the future, or improve our behavior. I would argue that we all have a sort of ethical obligation to discuss and outline a comprehensive system of ethics. Personally, there's only one ethical question that I have any interest in, and that's the question of whether the human race should continue to exist. I say no, of course. That sort of nullifies everything else, doesn't it? Once you figure out that the human race should stop reproducing, the only thing you really have to worry about is being the best person you can be for as long as you remain.

But of course, since I can't convince the whole of humanity to stop reproducing just yet, I'm forced to move to the next best few things. Should we be in the Middle East anymore, should we have the right to abortion, should we give a fuck with what the government does to our personal information if we're not a criminal. Once again, these questions all have right answers, in terms of... value math. It's like determinism--just because we can't predict the future, doesn't mean the future isn't set in stone. It just means we can't know all the variables. Likewise, just because someone may not agree that having children is wrong, doesn't mean that it isn't wrong--they just haven't grasped it yet. Or maybe I haven't grasped it yet.

But the point is, I think I have a pretty damn good idea.
And that's why we debate.

A few centuries ago, a few thousand years ago, it was fine and dandy to go up to someone, kill them, rape their loved one, kill them or do whatever. And now it's not. In another few hundred years, maybe a few thousand, things will also be different.

An odd interpretation of our progress. Personally, I would prefer to use words like "advance" or "learned" rather than "different". The fact is, we've made an advance from that time. If we lived in a time where rape was okay, and now it isn't, that's a wonderful thing. To say that it might be "different" in the future, instead of further advanced, is suggesting that we could regress. That there might be a time when rape is looked upon as okay again. Personally, I can't think of any modern examples of ethical regressions. Once we figure out that something is bad, we tend to stick with it. So, yes, future views on ethics will be different, but they will most likely be better.

Then that therefore means those laws had to be created or that they formed from a base of something. And that's approaching rapidly on a creator or a god.

Please, refer to my first post. We create the laws through our sentient existence. You conceded in your previous post that without our sentient experience, everything would be pointless--and you are correct. So, our conscious experience gives all meaning in the universe. Why's that? Because we can feel. We can hurt. This, in itself, outlines our objective moral system.

This is why I hate the word "morality". I prefer ethics, or "objective value system". Because it does have divine connotations. I think we should throw the word "morality" out the window.

Our objective value system is defined by our capacity to derive negative experience from our lives. The ultimate goal is to maximize positive experience, and minimize negative experience for all sentient beings. That's the right thing to do, objectively.

If you've ever watched a good film lately, and paid attention to the villains, the "bad guys", the antagonists, and paid strict attention to their purpose in the story, you might take to notice that, even though they're evil, their philosophies often have some kernel of truth. They might be trying to work for the greater good. Take Ultron for example (I won't spoil it if you haven't seen the film). As outlined in the film, he was created by Tony Stark and Bruce Banner to help the Avengers save the world in future global crises. However, when he is finished, he's bent on destroying humanity instead. He cannot differentiate between saving humanity and destroying it--he thinks they're the same thing.

And there's a great line, but I can't seem to remember how it goes. It went something like:
"The question isn't whether he believes humanity should be destroyed. The question is if he's right."

Something to that effect. Would the world be better off without humans?
Should we stop reproducing and let ourselves go extinct?

There are right or wrong answers to these questions. It's true that we can have our interpretations, but if you're capable of making decisions based on logic (it is logical to not want to break someone's arm, because that's going to create a HUGE deficit in positive feeling), the choices become more and more clear.

everyone loves drugs

*post*

OOPS proved you wrong

i'm a terrible friend because i care about their welfare and mental wellbeing, yeah

LOOK AT THIS SHIT

Taking it as merely, "Everything is a substance so just injest whatever you want to," says to me that you're not getting what I'm trying to convey. Which is fine, I wouldn't expect you to, as opinionated as you are. It's not surprising you'd think I'd be using such a fact to condone drug use even though I explicitly stated that I wasn't.

then what was your point

to tell me something that i already know
hence, "spare me"

thank you

i mean really, that's like telling someone who's trying to be healthy, "well, EVERYTHING is unhealthy"

and while you're not wrong, per se, it's just pedantic and irritating

“I wouldn’t even be mad if they put something from the Quran.”

Sure you wouldn't!

How would it be bad when you wouldn't even see those faces? Like I said your game would still remain the same and whatever I do to mine would not affect yours at all.

you couldn't have possibly made that less clear if you tried

either way, i don't care
i'm not just concerned about my own experience; i never am