There will be no more sentient enjoyment.

So what? Why does there need to be?

kill yourselves

that wouldn't solve anything

Yo're not going to make anything better by killing everything

If everyone is dead, there can be NO MORE sentient suffering. That's definitely better.

Quote from: Pendulate on May 12, 2015, 10:42:53 PM

Quote from: Tryptameme on May 12, 2015, 10:37:41 PM

Not to mention we already have alternatives for almost every animal product there is.

Unhealthy alternatives which are bad for your physical and mental health.

And yet, they're not imposing harm on other sentient beings.

Ignoring for the moment that what you're saying is bullshit, of course. Troll.

Quote from: Majestic Star Dragon on May 12, 2015, 10:33:31 PM

So let me get this strait. Verbatim wants everybody to stop eating meat becasue it's immoral to eat meat becasue killing is wrong, and his end solution to killing is to kill everything and everyone....

Did someone slam their head against a wall a bit too to hard after finishing Mass Effect 3?

killing isn't wrong

killing for no good reason is wrong

ending all suffering is a good reason to kill everyone

though "kill" really is a poor word to use, because it has violent connotations, which i have no intentions of violence

i would euthanize everyone

We use our brains first and foremost to survive

not anymore

survival really isn't much of an issue for people living in the cozy first world
you CERTAINLY don't need to eat meat to survive

Plus I thought you said animals were all equally sentient and aware, that dog really just wants that juicy ass.

sentient =/= sapient

humans are not only sentient, but they are sapient
that means they can perform logic

they can think critically and problem solve
we create complex languages and we use those languages to express complex ideas

except you, apparently

just so long as nobody had a burger.

Don't act like that's the only human travesty there is. It's a pretty colossal portion of it, but not the entire thing.

Either way you are not ready to have a sophisticated discussion on this topic.

So you're telling me not to assume despite the fact that you just assumed I hadn't read the thread?

You obviously didn't. And if you did, you didn't comprehend any of it.

What if I recycled it in a specialized food receptacle like I did with my double meat feast extra pepperoni pizza last night?

If you're recycling it, then it's going to be reused in some way. So hopefully it does.

I would chime in my opinion but I don't think I'm in the mood for an autistic vegan sperg out.

All I'm gonna say is I like eating meat both because I like it, and it pisses of sanctimonious vegans with sticks up their arses, yourself being a prime example.

Except I've expressed twice in this thread that eating meat isn't really the problem. If you're eating meat, it means you're not wasting it. The only way you could ever actually piss a vegan off is if you wasted the food. That would make you an evil cunt.

If we we're to ever as an entire species to stop eating meat we would have to euthenise metric Fuck-tons of cows and other farm animals to stop some ridiculous environmental disasters including overabundance of CO2 and overpopulation and overgrazing or a combination of all. In the end everything dies and this whole "morality of killing sentient life" thing comes back and sucker punches you in the face.

Or better yet, in triggers climate change. Have fun being a vegan in the next Ice Age or when the heat ruins our ability to produce enough crops for everyone.

We would also need to massively increase the amount of crops that we produce. In fact we would have to bring new crops to different places that they were not ....remember the last time we over-saturated the land with crops they couldn't sustain?

it want fun for the Cows either

can you say "slippery slope"

provide hard evidence that all of this stuff would DEFINITELY happen if we stopped eating animals

If I poke your eye and you flinch, that's a response to stimuli. This same reasoning was used to say animals didn't feel pain.

Fancy wording will get you nowhere.

except not all stimuli necessitates pain

when i look at a pair of tits, and my dick rises, that's a response to a stimulus
and i can for dead certain tell you that there's no pain involved in that process at all

Quote from: challengerX on May 12, 2015, 08:52:36 PM

Response to stimuli =/= subjective experience of pain.

I think he's just trolling at this point.

I'm puzzled by the users who are lurking this thread just so they can like the posts that reinforce their views. Why not lay those views on the table and be willing to think critically about them? Why are so few people willing to have an intelligent, open-minded dialogue about this issue?

well, like you said, most of them probably know that they're wrong deep down, but they don't want to be told that

because if they admitted it, they'd have to change their lifestyle, and that would be too inconvenient

Plants can suffer too man.

nope