and they're all fat, too

ewww

Appeal to emotion is a big one, especially in US politics.

I have a love/hate relationship with that one. Because sometimes, I think it's a necessary argument to make.  If someone doesn't respond with empathy, it's necessary to say stuff like, "How would you feel if it happened to you?"

But yeah, never in politics. Fuck that.

Maybe if everyone stopped reproducing...

When having a debate with someone, your opposition might commit a logical fallacy that is so infuriating, so overused, and so hair-ripped-out-of-your-skull fallacious, that seeing it used by an individual who considers himself intelligent one more time might actually make you go fucking insane.

I can think of two loathsome cunts at the top of my head, but there'll certainly be more as I remember them.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature

In order to understand how much I hate this fallacy, consider this website. As of posting this, there are 700,000 posts in 35,000 topics in this entire forum. Each post can contain a maximum of 10,000 characters. If I were to replace the text of each and every one of these posts with the word "HATE", I would be able to fit 2500 repeated instances of it in each and every post (if I did not include spaces). So if each post is worth 2500 "hate", and there are 700,000 posts, that would equal 1,750,000,000 "hate".

This does not equal one one billionth of the hate that I have for this logical fallacy.

People who treat nature like it's the arbiter of reason are no better than religious fanatics. I'm convinced that there are no real atheists, because 99% of atheists (damn near), as soon as they figure out the obvious truth that there is no god, the next thing they do is convert to "Gaiaism". Yeah, that's right--Gaia is their new god. Nature is infallible. Evolution is perfect. Darwinism is intelligent. Everything about nature is perfect and sublime and flawless and we should all strive not to transcend our humanity, but maintain our humanity. Keep being the stupid fucking animal that Gaia "wants" you to be.

"Having children is okay, Verb! It's completely natural!"
"Eating meat is okay, Verb! It's completely natural!"

Murder, anger, rape, torture, pain, suffering. Sadness. Depression. Humanity.
You know what these all have in common? They're all NATURAL!

And they all fucking suck. Especially that last one.

I'm extremely anti-nature, in the sense that I think nature is absolutely fucked. I have no respect for nature's design of sentient life. No intelligent force could ever create life the way it is, and it's the #1 reason why I think the perpetuation of the species is wrong. Everything about us is a fucking burden. We're essentially trapped in a big bubble in space with limited oxygen, limited resources, and limited intelligence. Very limited intelligence. To the extent that so many "intellectuals" who consider themselves "enlightened" can't get over the simple truth that life fucking sucks. Not that life sucks, like, "Oh, wow, life is really unenjoyable." No, not that kind of suck. Life sucks as a function. It functionally... sucks. It's something that it does. It SUCKS. Get it? And we shouldn't fucking embrace it. Everything about the human condition is shit, and we ought to change it. Because luckily, we have enough intelligence to rationally deduct that 90% of the shit we're doing on this rock is for the birds.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy

I don't hate this one as much, but it is a pretty big pet peeve of mine, simply because nobody knows how to fucking use it.

Here's how it happens:

I'm having an argument with you, and I notice that you made an appeal to nature fallacy. So I go to yourlogicalfallacyis.com to link you to their page on that particular fallacy. It's a good go-to website to politely notify your opposition of their argumentative ineptitude.

And then you respond by posting the link to this page: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy

Sigh.

No. That's not how the fallacy works. You don't get to tell me that I'm wrong simply for pointing out that a logical fallacy has been made. If you could do that, it would nullify the entire website, wouldn't it? No one would ever be able to point out any logical fallacies, ever, because you can just call fallacy fallacy.

The way you're supposed to apply the fallacy is if I say, "You made an appeal to nature; therefore, your argument is false." That would be a fallacy fallacy. Simply pointing out that you made a fallacious argument, however, isn't fallacious in itself. How could it be? All it means is that you argued for your cause poorly. Even if your case happened to be the correct one, do you honestly think the appeal to nature is going to be a good way to convince people? It shouldn't.

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Your turn.

okay i'm unbanned lol

luckily the other verbatim is apparently a pretty cool guy
he's a fucking weeb, though--isn't that surreal

dozens of threads bashing Dark Souls

I fucking wish

that's not gonna happen though

that would be like if people starting hating TF2 all of a sudden--it ain't happening

i know what you mean though

lol fair enough

ive been banned a few times from league of legends for telling people to kill themselves

that's probably a good reason to get banned tbh lol

For "impersonation".

Again.

There happens to be another mod who goes by Verbatim there, so when I posted one thing in the chat, all the dumbfuck mods thought I was impersonating him. Because they're dumbfucks. Because I've been through this with them already.

Dumbfucks.

Anyway, I'm only posting this thread here to help prove that I'm not impersonating anyone, and I've been going by "verbatim" for fucking years now. I'll post them the link to this thread here. They probably won't appreciate me calling them "dumbfucks", but then again, I don't really appreciate being banned for stupid shit, either.

Can we post porn and gore in the groups?

why would you want/need to

if you look at those screenshots and say to yourself, "wow, this looks like so much fun," get your head checked

i'm obviously too stupid to enjoy it or something, right

I've barely even heard of the first two. I assume that's for a reason.

see? when you just say something is bad and then refuse to objectively quantify it, it's just a "shitty fucking dumbcunt opinion"

cmon man you can do a better critique than "its boring and shitty."

You bet I could, but it's honestly been a long time since I've played it, so the short blurb that I posted above (which I guess you missed) is all I can really say about my experience with it right now. I just don't have fond memories of playing it.

But what if I said Metroid was boring and shitty and Fallout is my favorite game?

Then that's your own shitty fucking dumbcunt opinion, but I certainly don't fucking share it.