If we keep the planet safe we keep the animals safe,

Torturing and killing animals for food is probably the opposite of keeping them safe.

an unborn/newborn/baby doesn't have the capability to think like that.

Which only makes it worse to impose life on them.

when they grow older and decide they don't want to live, then they don't have to.

So you're going to force kids through that hassle just to kill themselves. Sick fuck.

Yes but to you we're all suffering, and death is ending that....soooo

...So what? I've never actually said that, by the way. Some people aren't suffering. But that's not the point. If you enjoy your life, I don't care. Your personal enjoyment does not outweigh all the suffering. You aren't worth the Holocaust, you're not worth the slave trade, you're not worth cancer, you're not worth a hangnail on a treesloth.

Okay? It is.

You can't think of ONE scenario where it would be okay to kill someone.

Life is what you make it, and you can make it good.

Please tell that to a starving Ethiopian.

If things are so shit why do you carry on?

Because I have to make use of the time I have to be an advocate for the things I believe in and hold dear. I have to spread my ideas, or they'll never come to fruition. Not like I have much of a choice--we have no free will. I'm gonna read my script.

i mean, it's the most unethical thing you could do, but whatever

you can't claim to be ethically superior by being a vegan, yet would willingly kill all life in existence. it's a huge contradiction.

It would only be unethical if I made everyone suffer, and THEN die.

Death isn't bad. Death is probably good. Gets you away from this shit planet. Gets you away from your shit life, and your shit addictions. You won't go anywhere, but who cares?

that's even more unethical

Nope.

Killing off an entire species is extremely unethical

>an entire species

No. ALL life.

That can't possibly be unethical.

And lol, you can't really claim to be ethically superior, considering you'd kill everyone on Earth if you could.

*the universe

There's nothing unethical about preventing ALL suffering for the rest of time.
It is THE most ethical thing you could do.

Quote from: Verbatim on May 31, 2015, 08:03:50 PM

Speciesism is a form of bigotry.

You have GOT to be kidding me.

...No?

I'm sure the loving bond between animals that eat their own babies and sexual partners is verry strong

Thanks for generalizing and missing the point completely.

Well yes, but they don't have the level of thought we do.

The only thing they don't have is a vocabulary. If they could talk to us, what do you think they would say? "I just love being tortured, please kill me, please eat me?"

The animal would feel pain and try to run. The man would feel pain and try to run while simultaneously thinking of his family and wondering why this was happening to him.
Reasoning and logic compound suffering.

You don't think animals have familial relations? And part of sentience is indeed the capacity to wonder. Sentient animals wonder all the time. I'm sure you've seen dogs tilt their heads to the side when they see you holding something strange.

i can't be intolerant towards them because of their opinions if they don't have opinions

>using the shitty Google definition of "bigot"
>the same dictionary that defines "rapist" as "a man who rapes a woman"
>being this semantic

Speciesism is a form of bigotry. You're a bad person. Sorry.

I find it funny how he honestly thinks he is the greatest person in the word and that literaly eveybody else is some kind of pleb

Proof?

The only people I'm "better than" are meat-eaters. It's just a fact. But when weighed against all other vegans, I'm not exactly the best representative of the vegan philosophy. Pendulate is a sight better than I am, because I lack the patience to speak with bigots in a non-insulting tone. And that's why most people aren't vegans--because people like you are petty, evil cunts that can't handle being called petty, evil cunts for being petty, evil cunts. So you continue being petty, evil cunts in a petty, evil, and cunty attempt at pissing vegans off.

So long as there are starving or poor, no. Humanity should come first as humans have the largest capacity to feel suffering, right?

No, I don't think so. If they did, you'd have a point, but if you strap a human and a chimpanzee to a gurney and stuck a knife in both of their chests, the amount of suffering endured will be indistinguishable. Same with a deer, same with a cow, same with a pig. There's no basis for the assumption that humans have a higher capacity to suffer than animals.

Now, in the end of it all, when the capitalist system creates a post-scarcity situation in which a socialist gift economy thrives solely because there is no labor to be done by any man, then we really have no excuse to not solely eat manufactured nutrients that contain no animal or plant byproduct.

Remember, plants react to stimuli/pain too.

They don't, though. Pendulate happens to be a yearning biologist, from what I know, so he might be able to provide some proof for that, but I feel like we've been over this already. Plants lack a central nervous system to administer the sensation of pain, as well as a brain to comprehend it. It's feasibly impossible (and evolutionarily nonsensical) for plants to feel pain. They may respond to stimuli, but this in itself does not necessitate pain.