And lol, you can't really claim to be ethically superior, considering you'd kill everyone on Earth if you could.

*the universe

There's nothing unethical about preventing ALL suffering for the rest of time.
It is THE most ethical thing you could do.

Quote from: Verbatim on May 31, 2015, 08:03:50 PM

Speciesism is a form of bigotry.

You have GOT to be kidding me.

...No?

I'm sure the loving bond between animals that eat their own babies and sexual partners is verry strong

Thanks for generalizing and missing the point completely.

Well yes, but they don't have the level of thought we do.

The only thing they don't have is a vocabulary. If they could talk to us, what do you think they would say? "I just love being tortured, please kill me, please eat me?"

The animal would feel pain and try to run. The man would feel pain and try to run while simultaneously thinking of his family and wondering why this was happening to him.
Reasoning and logic compound suffering.

You don't think animals have familial relations? And part of sentience is indeed the capacity to wonder. Sentient animals wonder all the time. I'm sure you've seen dogs tilt their heads to the side when they see you holding something strange.

i can't be intolerant towards them because of their opinions if they don't have opinions

>using the shitty Google definition of "bigot"
>the same dictionary that defines "rapist" as "a man who rapes a woman"
>being this semantic

Speciesism is a form of bigotry. You're a bad person. Sorry.

I find it funny how he honestly thinks he is the greatest person in the word and that literaly eveybody else is some kind of pleb

Proof?

The only people I'm "better than" are meat-eaters. It's just a fact. But when weighed against all other vegans, I'm not exactly the best representative of the vegan philosophy. Pendulate is a sight better than I am, because I lack the patience to speak with bigots in a non-insulting tone. And that's why most people aren't vegans--because people like you are petty, evil cunts that can't handle being called petty, evil cunts for being petty, evil cunts. So you continue being petty, evil cunts in a petty, evil, and cunty attempt at pissing vegans off.

So long as there are starving or poor, no. Humanity should come first as humans have the largest capacity to feel suffering, right?

No, I don't think so. If they did, you'd have a point, but if you strap a human and a chimpanzee to a gurney and stuck a knife in both of their chests, the amount of suffering endured will be indistinguishable. Same with a deer, same with a cow, same with a pig. There's no basis for the assumption that humans have a higher capacity to suffer than animals.

Now, in the end of it all, when the capitalist system creates a post-scarcity situation in which a socialist gift economy thrives solely because there is no labor to be done by any man, then we really have no excuse to not solely eat manufactured nutrients that contain no animal or plant byproduct.

Remember, plants react to stimuli/pain too.

They don't, though. Pendulate happens to be a yearning biologist, from what I know, so he might be able to provide some proof for that, but I feel like we've been over this already. Plants lack a central nervous system to administer the sensation of pain, as well as a brain to comprehend it. It's feasibly impossible (and evolutionarily nonsensical) for plants to feel pain. They may respond to stimuli, but this in itself does not necessitate pain.

Whatever it takes to make you feel important, man.

I couldn't feel less important. I live in a world containing hundreds of billions of sentient creatures. I am among the least important things on the planet. Especially from my own perspective.

FUCK self-interest.

lol
who gives a fuck? they're just dumb animals

You're a dumb animal.

You'd like that wouldnt you.

Uh. No. I wouldn't. Thanks for the useless, petty slander.

And thank you for not reading anything beyond that.

The rest of it only built off of your initial premise, which was shit. If your premise is shit, everything following that premise is going to be shit.

(I'll be studdying engeneering and science btw. Space travel has always been my dream)

I couldn't care less. Sorry.

You done jerking him off yet?

You done eating our shit yet?

Not better than. All animals show an indication of a self-preserving instinct. Why would we be any different?

Because we've achieved higher intelligence, such that we can contemplate our actions. We can self-preserve very easily without having to kill other sentient creatures. You know that, and it's perfectly healthy.

And even if it wasn't, the health thing is really irrelevant. Because we'd still have an ethical imperative not to kill fellow sentient creatures for our gain.

In order to overcome something, doesn't it first have to be a thing?

You think humans are better than all other sentience, for no other reason than because we're smarter than them. Sorry, Das, that's... basically the definition of bigotry. It's not just a thing--it's a logically demonstrable thing.

It's kind of ingrained into the very fabric of our being...

No, it isn't. There are millions of people who subscribe to the anti-natalist ideology like myself already. We are very capable of transcending our bigoted biological tendencies.