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37681
« on: June 03, 2015, 04:15:15 PM »
Are you going to tell me cancer is a social construct too? What a godawful analogy.
37682
« on: June 03, 2015, 04:14:52 PM »
There sre of course outliers and those who diviate from the norm And it's these outliers that disprove the entire notion that gender is biological. Because it isn't. The only thing that's biological is testosterone and estrogen (and whatever other hormones may be more prevalent in men/women than the opposite sex--I feel like it might be more than just those two). Neither of which are strictly male or female hormones.
37683
« on: June 03, 2015, 04:12:35 PM »
"Men are more competitive, therefore competition is a masculine trait."
Bullshit. While men tend to be more competitive than women, that does not make competition inherently a "male trait". It's a (and I used this term on the previous page, and it's important) a testosterone-influenced trait.
37684
« on: June 03, 2015, 04:08:06 PM »
Gender (as in the mind and not the body [sex]) is at least partly biological, if not completely. It's innate and can't really be changed, as demonstrated in that example that was quoted with the boy with the botched surgery who was raised as a girl. The experiment itself was botched. You simply can't use it as an example. It can easily be changed. Caitlyn Jenner much?
37685
« on: June 03, 2015, 04:06:35 PM »
Why not? I already explained why. Gender, by definition, represents the cultural/socio-behavioral (as you just said) differences between the sexes, outside of the biological. Bringing up biology presupposes that gender is about that subject in the first place, when it's not. if you can demonstrate a causal relationship between gender and biological sex there's no non-sequitur. You can't, though, and that's the point. You haven't done it, and Majestic certainly hasn't done it. I refuted the hormone argument already. It's just like pointing out that men and women have different sexual organs, and that makes them behave differently because they produce different hormones. Well, no shit. That's a biological happening that doesn't have anything to do with gender. We can increase these hormones (and sometimes, the hormones are already "out of whack" from birth) manually--if testosterone was truly a male-exclusive hormone, it wouldn't have any effect whatsoever in a female body, and vice-versa. That's why it's not an argument.
37686
« on: June 03, 2015, 04:00:10 PM »
Black Widdows only eat their mates out of peer pressure. Animals probably don't have genders at all. They just have sexes. Genders are exclusively a human phenomenon, I would argue. It's a byproduct of our self-awareness as a species. And before you say it, just because Pokémon uses the word "gender" to describe a Pokémon's sex doesn't really mean anything either. They probably just didn't want to use the word "sex" in a kid's game, but that's what it technically should be.
37687
« on: June 03, 2015, 03:54:43 PM »
Not by me.
That's not the same thing as saying "because I said so".
37688
« on: June 03, 2015, 03:54:05 PM »
Testosterone and estrogen levels are what affect and influene naturaly''gendered'' behavior which is the whole point. yes, but that doesn't mean shit, considering that we can influence this "gendered" behavior by altering the amounts of those hormones in the body the fact that men happen to have more testosterone than females (usually) is arbitrary and it doesn't constitute "male" behavior--it constitutes testosterone-influenced behavior
37689
« on: June 03, 2015, 03:48:11 PM »
I'm just saying, if you wanna try to show that gender isn't a social construct, you can't cite sexual dimorphism (or the biological differences between the sexes) as an argument, because that's not what gender is about--it's a non-sequitur.
You can't bring up biology.
You're measuring a chicken with a yardstick.
it's like saying there is no red, because there's blue
the existence of blue disproves the existence of red
37690
« on: June 03, 2015, 03:43:08 PM »
LOL
Literally where.
I'm using established definitions and common sense.
37691
« on: June 03, 2015, 03:41:25 PM »
i mean, if you really wanted to make some asinine biological argument, why not just bring up the fact that women have tits and men have dicks? therefore, gender isn't a social construct, because there's clear differences between the sexes?
it's just as stupid as trying to bring up testosterone levels, as though that's not biology
which isn't what we're talking about
37692
« on: June 03, 2015, 03:36:45 PM »
ITT people confuse gender roles with gender.
Gender represents both the roles and behaviors perceived to be associated with their respective sexes. There's nothing biological about gender, by definition. These people are arguing established definitions, and it's just silly. "THEY CUT A BOY'S PENIS OFF AND MADE HIM THINK HE WAS A GIRL, BUT THEN HE WASN'T A GIRL! THEREFORE, NOT A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT!" durrr
37693
« on: June 03, 2015, 03:28:59 PM »
"men have higher testosterone"
yes, biologically
discussing the biological differences between men and women is a discussion of sex, not gender
37694
« on: June 03, 2015, 03:24:57 PM »
"men have higher testosterone"
yes, biologically
discussing the biological differences between men and women is a discussion of sex, not gender
37695
« on: June 03, 2015, 03:23:21 PM »
So? It's a social construct. If I see gazelles move quickly, and then define gazelles as fast, I'm hardly imposing some socially constructed view on the gazelles. That's a very poor analogy, because gazelles are demonstrably fast creatures. We can't demonstrate what is "masculine" behavior or "feminine" behavior. We can only measure what higher levels of testosterone or estrogen can do to the body.
37696
« on: June 03, 2015, 03:21:18 PM »
Have you ever heard of a little thing called testosterone? (probably spelled that wrong....fucking wii u) Because women don't have testosterone, yeah.
37697
« on: June 03, 2015, 03:19:58 PM »
you'd think i'd knw better by now.
What you're doing is like trying to prove that race isn't a social construct by skinning a black kid at birth and seeing how he goes about his life as a non-black. And using that to try and claim that it isn't a social construct. That's how retarded that is.
37698
« on: June 03, 2015, 03:17:16 PM »
Just what the hell is "masculine behavior"? Oh, right, it's something that we've come to define through social gravity.
37699
« on: June 03, 2015, 03:12:11 PM »
It's just about universaly agreed that the results contradict the whole ''social construct argument. Not by me.
37700
« on: June 03, 2015, 02:44:39 PM »
That woldnt matter if gender was a social construct. And it isnt even like he knew held been castrated. he was a newborn. To him what his (former) penis was was just a mis-shappen vag. He had no idea he had a penis untill they told him. You just said that he "knew something was wrong". And yes, genital mutilation does matter, and it's irrelevant to whether gender is a social construct. Which it is. And that particular case doesn't fucking change that.
37701
« on: June 03, 2015, 02:35:23 PM »
Dispite all this he still recognised something was wrong with his whole life and was miserable being raised as a girl before his dumbfuck parents took their heads out of their asses and told him the truth. Again, it was because he was castrated. Duh. A completely unnecessary procedure that no transfolk ever really have to go through. Thats exactly what the sick fuck tried to do, and it failed. He realised he was a boy before he knew it for a fact. Again, because he was castrated. This isn't difficult.
37702
« on: June 03, 2015, 02:16:40 PM »
At least humans are interesting.
37703
« on: June 03, 2015, 02:15:46 PM »
see, he fucked up on the castration part--that wasn't necessary
you can raise a male as a stereotypical female, and yeah, guess what
he's gonna think of himself as a girl--at least, the social dictation of a girl
37704
« on: June 03, 2015, 02:13:34 PM »
the boy realised he was exactly that biologically and knew something was wrong for the longest time well, no shit, he was castrated that's not a result that doesn't suggest anything about gender not being a social construct we already know that guys have dicks, and when you cut them off, that creates problems
37705
« on: June 03, 2015, 02:07:07 PM »
wow lol jap VAs are so much better than dubs!!!1...
37706
« on: June 03, 2015, 02:04:37 PM »
Robots suck.
37707
« on: June 03, 2015, 02:02:16 PM »
The doctor lost his career and was essentialy labled 'Supreme High Emperor of the Sick Fucks' by eveyone outside the tarnsexual community, and the kid's life was destroyed to the point he later killed himself That's interesting and all, but that really doesn't have much to do with anything regarding this subject. Did the experiment itself produce results, or was it just a complete disaster from the start? Because if it was, it doesn't really bear mention.
37708
« on: June 03, 2015, 01:55:13 PM »
Alternatively, kill everyone else but yourself.
37709
« on: June 03, 2015, 01:50:57 PM »
Birth yourself.
37710
« on: June 03, 2015, 01:49:53 PM »
So nobody here remembers when that one crazy shrink cut some kid's dick of as a baby, had him raised as a girl and it failled spectacularly?
No? We're just gonna believe whatever Tumbr says? OK, just checking.
in what way did it "fail spectacularly"
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