But humans are far more likely to work in benefit of society than trying to destroy it.

yeah, right

humans are more likely to work in benefit of themselves

ask the average person if he likes job, and if he does it for any other reason than money
and then ask the average person what he spends that money on

I think there's a distinction. It just doesn't negate any ethical responsibility to the pig.

of course not, but the issue was which one you'd choose
you can save the pig, or you can save the human

one of them is going to get stabbed and bleed to death, and it's your choice

to me, it doesn't matter what you choose, because they both represent the same negative
you could make the argument that you should save the human, because humans have more ethical capabilities than pigs

while a human has the potential to cure cancer, and the pig doesn't
it also has the potential to shoot up an elementary school. and the pig doesn't.

so, pick your poison

You sure?
 with the way people act (including on this website) you'd think I was advocating the legalisation of child rape, and not just believing in a higher power

there's a world outside this website

Quote from: Verbatim on June 09, 2015, 10:08:49 PM

you haven't been able to define the difference to me

It's possible humans suffer more when stabbed.

i don't think they do, and i don't think there's any real reason to think so

i mean, is there? really?

when you can't see the distinction, that alone should raise a red flag, in my opinion

All

This thread wins the duel.

shut up korra

...

and i sincerely thought you were korra for a second there

it's 5:00 AM, leave me alone

OT:
ummmmmmmmmm, i don't know
i mean, what's your solution

how do we stop being institutionally racist
how do we even address such an issue

'cause i agree with you, it exists, but, what do we do about it

Verb I have a question, what defines your "objective system of value math." morality stuff. Like what makes you think something is moral vs not(I know you said morality doesn't exist it's just the thing I have in quotes, i can't think of another word for it lol)

"Ethics" works.
The reason I don't like "morality" is because it implies dogma--or an absolute law.
I don't like absolute laws. It's important that laws be malleable.

This value system allows for us to look at individual events and evaluate them on a case-by-case basis.

As we all know, there's only two types of value--positive value, and negative value. These values are derived from our sensations--namely, our capacity to feel pain and pleasure. Pain is an inherently negative value, and is the most important value.

Once we establish those fundamental truths, we can essentially evaluate any scenario to see if it's running a "profit". A scenario is only running a profit if the total positive value of the situation outweighs the negative value. Simple enough, right?

So, let's say you're sitting on your ass and eating an ice cream cone. But just outside, you see something terrible--a woman is trapped under a tipped truck with her kids, and it's about to explode, Grand Theft Auto style. Now, you could keep sitting on your ass and eating your ice cream, and enjoy the show, or you could make an attempt to rescue those people.

I mean, you can tell that there's a pretty obvious better option in that scenario. That's the value math system at work. The family's rescue is worth far more than your personal desire to have ice cream.

Now, we can come up with harder and harder scenarios all day, but that's basically the system. Sometimes, you'll be forced to choose not necessarily the "best" option, but the least worst option. But there's always a correct option.

tl;dr
Put it simply:
An act is ethical if there is a net positive outcome.
An act is unethical if there is a net negative outcome.

All value is calculable, if you're willing to put your mind to it.

Verb

His posts are hilarious

did you hear about the mexican train killer









































he had locomotives

season finale

fuck

i want it to be over, so i never have to hear about it anymore

Nasu is a hack.

hack as in a ripoff artist, or as in a charlatan
or both

>linkin park

not even once, cunt

joy has nothing to do with anything

i might derive great joy from torturing my worst enemy--but i wouldn't ever do it

So we shouldn't eat meat but we should force women to get abortions?

yes

ideally, no woman should be opposed to getting an abortion anyway, ethically speaking

i like how you're trying to imply that those two statements contradict each other somehow, when they clearly have absolutely nothing to do with each other

Yeah.

i mean, i'm not one to talk--i can get pretty preachy sometimes--but shit