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36991
« on: June 11, 2015, 10:46:24 PM »
Because I love the things that you hate, thus you hate the things I love and so on and so on. Yin and yang.
but that's just the question in statement form :/
36992
« on: June 11, 2015, 10:30:16 PM »
Why does Verbatim have to verb?
because everyone verbs verbs are what you do
36993
« on: June 11, 2015, 09:32:36 PM »
Because we're all special unique snowflakes that's what i'm asking, though like, why
36994
« on: June 11, 2015, 09:29:28 PM »
Hate is subjective
why is subjectivity a thing
36995
« on: June 11, 2015, 09:26:44 PM »
theres a happy medium you could reach though. there are some short novellas set in the world you could read.
The Hedge Knight
The Sworn Sword
The Mystery Knight
The Rogue Prince
The Princess and the Queen
and then there's a 288 page "history" called The World of Ice and Fire, with a lot of gorgeous original illustrations like this one
maybe thanks for letting me know Look man, you clearly don't want to read it, and no amount of arguing about character depth or realistic plot movement is going to convince you otherwise. Just add this to the list of things you vilify without actually experiencing. it's important that i know precisely what i'm getting into before i get into it let's not imply that it's a bad thing to gather some preliminary facts about a series and then surmise that i probably wouldn't enjoy it based on those facts, despite the fact that everyone else seems to
36997
« on: June 11, 2015, 09:10:33 PM »
i just don't see how you can justify a story not wrapping itself up as soon as possible
unless you're seriously trying to say that "every paragraph has a purpose"
which is the most ingratiating thing i've ever heard
every paragraph may have a "purpose", but that doesn't mean it's necessary
you're basically calling him perfect, and that's just kinda... laughable
you REALLY think the entire series is exactly how it needs to be?
36998
« on: June 11, 2015, 09:04:35 PM »
my point is that once you start getting your audience to care about your characters
that's when you start doing shit--that's when tragedy can occur
and then maybe a little bit more tragedy
but eventually (as in, SOON) it resolves itself
it's really difficult to justify anything being so long--REALLY difficult
36999
« on: June 11, 2015, 08:57:50 PM »
its not just about "oh i care for this guy now, story over GG nice," thats silly. that's not what i said, though like, at all
37000
« on: June 11, 2015, 08:49:27 PM »
like, turkey even admitted earlier that the books start becoming a slog after awhile
it's like, "okay, author, i already care about this person--you don't need to convince me any further"
that's what it's like
where exactly do you draw the line between "nuance" and "excessive detail"
37001
« on: June 11, 2015, 08:47:39 PM »
well i'm not just gonna start loving shit so that i don't suffer
that would be silly
37002
« on: June 11, 2015, 08:45:20 PM »
That's bullshit and you know it. A series' length is not indicative of poor writing, it's typically indicative of its depth and complexity. it's not hard to just keep throwing details in keep throwing curve balls keep extending plotlines introducing new characters with their own little pointless side plots it's actually piss-easy--whether that's entertaining or quality writing is up to you, i guess i don't personally find that compelling or "complex"
37003
« on: June 11, 2015, 08:41:24 PM »
and i mean, if youre really that put off by the prospect of a long book, this isnt for you. you need to have a proper attention span to really enjoy this series. its not for everyone. i mean, i've read long books before, and what tends to kill them is that i just lose interest in them after awhile i don't think it's an attention span thing as much as its my own perception of, "oh, i'm being manipulated into caring about these people, instead of genuinely caring about them"--at that point, i stop, because it's a waste of my time
37004
« on: June 11, 2015, 08:39:06 PM »
for what its worth, i finished the entire series in about a month. that's not bad
37005
« on: June 11, 2015, 08:38:03 PM »
As for being able to tell the story in a single book, well yeah you could tell the entire plot in a shorter period, but the books are really about getting inside the characters and making them real and believable; you can't do that, while including incredibly complex political struggles, in a single novel. not if you're a good writer just sayin
37006
« on: June 11, 2015, 08:36:47 PM »
like, in my opinion, you should be able to tell a good story in one book, if it's worth reading at all
harry potter could've been done in three 500-page books, let's be honest
the way this series works is like a classical poem, its separated into acts. act one is the game of thrones, which is A Game of Thrones/A Clash of Kings/A Storm of Swords. Each book has its own contained story but they're all a part of the larger first act of the Song of Ice and Fire. act two is A Feast For Crows/A Dance With Dragons, which happen at roughly the same time in the story continuity and detail the fallout from the War of the 5 Kings/the Game of Thrones and the escalation to act 3, it's a classic act 2 literary strategy. act 3 will be the conclusion, the planned The Winds of Winter/A Dream of Spring.
i get that but that doesn't really have much to do with their length, does it
37007
« on: June 11, 2015, 08:31:52 PM »
Got any examples?
like everything
37008
« on: June 11, 2015, 08:30:53 PM »
like, in my opinion, you should be able to tell a good story in one book, if it's worth reading at all
harry potter could've been done in three 500-page books, let's be honest
maybe i just have a low attention span or something, but six months!?... that's a long-ass motherfucking time to be reading one goddamn book, son
37009
« on: June 11, 2015, 08:29:01 PM »
I'd tell you to read the books, but that's also a larger investment of time. Each one is a brick, and they just get thicker and slower in pace. I think I've been reading book 4 for six months now. <_< ... jesus christ lol yeah, i don't even know if i have the patience for that fucking crap but clearly, you're still invested in the damn story is there a known drop-out rate? that would be great to know
37010
« on: June 11, 2015, 08:24:28 PM »
I don't know what use there is saying what's canon and isn't. It's all ASOIF, it's all going to end basically the same way. that's what i'm talking about whenever there's an adaptation of anything, i always focus on one medium the only exception has been harry potter, but even then, i only started reading and finishing all the books in the interim between movie 6 and movie 7 i'm just not into... being told the same story in a different way it's like, if i wanted that, i would just rewatch the one that already exists
37011
« on: June 11, 2015, 08:12:03 PM »
like, i guess people reconcile with the fact that it's still "entertaining", i guess, but like
for me, if i just spent a hundred or so hours watching a show that essentially meant nothing because it's not actually canon
i'd just feel empty inside
37012
« on: June 11, 2015, 08:09:37 PM »
the show is a non-canon retelling of the song of ice and fire okay so i shouldn't watch the show, is what you're saying i mean, an entire show that's non-canon? fuck, what a waste of a time
37013
« on: June 11, 2015, 08:06:12 PM »
i didn't get a good sleep
37014
« on: June 11, 2015, 08:05:23 PM »
its not that different until season 4/5, but the books and show have always existed in separate continuities
separate continuities so i'd need to watch both to get the full story? is that what you mean or is it like... a retelling
37015
« on: June 11, 2015, 08:03:53 PM »
Can I hate you for hating stuff I don't hate?
wait can you hate me... for hating stuff that you don't hate so if i don't hate it NO if YOU don't hate it, and i hate it can you hate me for it like, can you hate me for hating stuff... that you don't hate ... Yes.
37016
« on: June 11, 2015, 08:00:47 PM »
So, just how different is the show compared to the books?
i don't actually care but whatever
Some people in the show die quicker, they skip characters, etc
is it generally regarded as significantly worse compared to the books because if i were to get into the series, i don't know if i want to be watching a shitty show when i could be reading a decent(?) book
37017
« on: June 11, 2015, 07:58:20 PM »
title
37018
« on: June 11, 2015, 07:56:16 PM »
So, just how different is the show compared to the books?
i don't actually care but whatever
37019
« on: June 11, 2015, 07:09:24 PM »
hmm
nah
37020
« on: June 11, 2015, 07:08:25 PM »
What makes you say that? It's the go-to "longest word you can think of", along with antidisestablishmentarianism. i guess no one knows what it means, though.
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