Well, to be fair, it also garnered 80+ likes in 48 hours.

I think the game's gonna suck, too, but I mean, I don't think it's worth making thread after thread over.

I hate that appeal to nature is considered a logical fallacy

The appeal to nature is not the same thing as a naturalistic fallacy.

Appeal to nature = It's natural, therefore good.
Naturalistic fallacy = It's enjoyable and/or desirable, therefore good.

Just saying. Common mistake.

They are only similar in that they are both some of the most egregious logical fallacies there is. The appeal to nature, in particular, is probably the most important logical fallacy there is, especially in a post-secular community, because it shuts down this whole Gaia delusion that new atheists like to clutch onto like desperate children.

I mean, feel free to commit it all you want, but it just makes you look like a religious nut.

You all seem to think in telling you not to be vegan, when really all I'm saying is that I simply can not be vegan.

Well, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you can't become a vegan.

That's absolutely fine, in my opinion. I would simply ask, then, that you at least be an advocate.
But since you don't consider it to be superior in any way to meat-eating, we've hit a snag.

Of course in unwilling to say that someone else is superior to me, in any way.

That's textbook insecurity, but whatever.

Quote from: Verbatim on June 19, 2015, 04:48:48 AM

If being a vegan was going to kill me tomorrow, I would still be a vegan.

Well I don't know about that. I want to make a positive contribution to the world. At least try and improve animal husbandry before kicking the bucket.

I'm just trying to drive the point home that one's own life, and especially one's happiness, isn't worth the suffering of other sentient beings.

Wouldn't not being a vegan make him an animal lover?

No, it wouldn't.

They are both equally abhorrent.

Quote from: Verbatim on June 19, 2015, 12:26:53 AM

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Quote from: Verbatim on June 18, 2015, 11:34:27 PM

I've strongly disliked all of your avatars ever since the first chihuahua one.

Animal haters are disgusting.

Are you a vegan?

No

Then you're a hypocrite.

i love reposts

Yes blame me for promoting.
It's my fault that I talk about how awesome I think sep7agon is, and it was his decision to sign up. He only did it so he could follow me and stalk my activity and posts. Notice this is the first real thread he has posted since he joined.... Sigh.

how obnoxious

When did this become something about god?

You treat nature as though it is a god. Like most atheists tend to do.

I'm just saying this system has been in place without change for millions of years
Why try to change it?

Because it's the right thing to do. We've also been killing each other for millions of years. That doesn't make killing people okay.

Why does meat make us healthy and something that the body need if we aren't suppose to eat them?

I'm not arguing that we're not "supposed" to eat them.

I'm arguing that we shouldn't eat them. Two very different things.

I mean should wolves and lions stop eating animals too?

Refer to the first post I made in this thread.

Unlike wolves, we can survive without eating meat.
And we have the intelligence and self-control to do so.

And they're not humans
They don't have dreams or hopes for the future

But they suffer. That's all that matters.

Killing an animal for food is completely ok
That's what evolution has taught us for millions of years

Evolution is not the arbiter of all ethics.

No rationally constructed system could ever create a planet where organisms harm and feed off of each other to survive. A rationally constructed universe would have no pain or suffering at all.

There is no god. And though I'm sure you claim to be an atheist, you treating nature as though it's some form of infallible deity is no better than half the religious kooks on the planet.

Grow up.

There is no alternative and unless you learned how do photosynthesis, you're eating animals
Sure you're not directly killing an animal but unless you're taking your energy directly from the sun, your energy comes from somewhere else and that would be eating animals
In some fucked up processed poison form

Veganism isn't about being a paragon of virtue. It's just about doing the very best you can to prevent as much suffering as you possibly can.

I guess it's your choice but it's very ineffective because there are ways to not participate in animal abuse while not poisoning yourself

Killing an animal for food when you have alternatives is never okay. It's all "abuse" in my eyes. So no, there is no way to do that other than to be a vegan. There just isn't.

i don't know, i don't really keep tabs on every single bad day that i have

it's kind of just the norm

a bad one

It's only rational to hate active pedophiles. The ones who lack the self-control not to fuck little kids.

Otherwise, it's just another disgusting habit in a long line of disgusting habits exhibited by the human race.