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You're literally being literal, literally right now. Like, literally stop.
no no, i wanna see where i can go with this new superpower

PSU is an intelligent human being

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Serious / Re: Hypothetically, if humans were carnivorous...
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:00:08 AM »
Arguing with nature seems stupid.
Describing nature as precisely what it is--stupid and messy and wasteful--is probably a good idea.

35523
i should learn how to drive one day

but i'm never right, so i guess that's wrong

35524
Verb you're never right. You don't eat meat and can't drive, let's be real here.
i'm never right

okay, wait

2+2=4

did i just break math, then
because i'm never right, so 2+2 can't equal 4

35525
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nigger
"a contemptuous term used to refer to a black person."

looks like verb was right, as usual

35526
yeah, it is

35527
Cause if I didn't explain it plebs like you would think I'm referring to all black people.

Dumbass
probably because that's exactly what "nigger" means

a black person

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Serious / Re: Hypothetically, if humans were carnivorous...
« on: July 05, 2015, 10:45:13 AM »
Eh you're getting confused.
Subjective pain would be something like psychosomatic pain.
Says who?
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Sentience is not simply the ability to feel something, it's the ability to feel something in response to something that isn't literally happening. A lot of people would say a dog mourns for their master, but really the dog knows, "That man scratches me behind the ears and feeds me, staying with him is a good thing." Animals don't have these abstract feelings that are subjective rather than objective, and that's what makes someone sentient.
Let's pretend for a moment that you're right. You're wrong, completely, but let's pretend for a moment that you're not wrong.

The fact that other organisms feel "objective pain" is precisely why it's wrong to torture and eat them. That's everything. Their capacity to suffer, regardless of their sentience, is the deal-breaker. It's wrong to harm animals. I mean, I feel like I'm talking to a preschooler, but I guess it's necessary sometimes.
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Subjective feelings are an abstract thought, and most animals are not capable of abstract thought.
Who cares?

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The Flood / Re: I drove for the second time ever
« on: July 05, 2015, 10:39:07 AM »
i need to learn at some point

i've been scared of it for four years, and it's only gonna get worse the more i wait

one day

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The Flood / Re: I drove for the second time ever
« on: July 05, 2015, 10:29:54 AM »
You people...

I had my license as son as I legally could and my class M endorsement at 18. I just can't imagine being so dependent on others and public transport... not that there's really any of the later in my area, lol.
>implying i drive with anyone else, anywhere

i live in a small enough community where i can just walk to places

i do need people to drive me to uni, though, which... while embarrassing, it's not really encumbering for anyone, because they always have places to go anyway

35531
Obviously it's niggers.

And when I say niggers, I mean people who contribute nothing to society, commit crimes, and lack education. Regardless of race.
then why not just say that, then

idiot

35532
The Flood / Re: I drove for the second time ever
« on: July 05, 2015, 10:25:30 AM »
Aren't you like, 19?
i haven't drove at all yet
almost 20

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Serious / Re: Hypothetically, if humans were carnivorous...
« on: July 05, 2015, 10:24:40 AM »
Animals feel and suffer objectively, not subjectively.
...So do humans. When you stab a human in the eye, they are going to suffer just as much as a dog would, or a pig, or a cow, etc.

Once again, that's objective pain, it has nothing to do with sentience.
Yes, it does. There is no way to experience pain "subjectively". Pain is a feeling. The definition that you stated from Wikipedia states that sentience = FEELING. Pain is a negative feeling.

You're getting 2+2 wrong here. This is simple arithmetic logic, and you're getting it wrong.
Once again, pain is objective.
It's also a feeling, making it a part of sentience.

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The Flood / Re: send me on an SOS
« on: July 05, 2015, 10:11:32 AM »
#PastorJim

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Serious / Re: Hypothetically, if humans were carnivorous...
« on: July 05, 2015, 10:10:20 AM »
The dolphin rape thing is apocryphal at best. Never heard of the drowning thing.

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Serious / Re: Hypothetically, if humans were carnivorous...
« on: July 05, 2015, 10:07:31 AM »
You people are confusing sentience with sapience, and you should stop it.

Sentience isn't what gives us our intelligence or capacity to think "abstract thought".
That's sapience. It's what separates us from other sentient species, but it doesn't make us better than them.

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Serious / Re: Hypothetically, if humans were carnivorous...
« on: July 05, 2015, 10:01:26 AM »
We eat other animals, we farm other animals.
Ants also farm other animals.

The fact that we do it more efficiently is nothing to be ashamed of.
Yes, it is, considering that we have the ability to consider our actions and deem them unethical (which they are). Ants can't do that, because ants are stupid. Let's not be like the stupid ants. That sounds really dumb. Like, really really really dumb.

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And I don't care about the struggles of other humans, much less the struggles of sub-human animals.
That would make you an evil, solipsistic sociopath. Like, sorry, but it would.
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Many sub-primate humans lack the communicative abilities to demonstrate abstract thought, and you therefore cannot claim that they have abstract thought.
I'm not saying they have abstract thought. That's not what sentience means. It just means that you can feel. They suffer. That's the whole point.
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It's the same as the god argument, you can't make a case for an unobservable construct.
Stab a dog in the eye and see how much it appreciates it.
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You make the statement that animals are sentient in the same faith that a religious person believes in god, and there is nothing logical about it.
Except there's observable scientific evidence to suggest that, yes, many animal species can in fact and DO in fact feel intense pain when you stab them in the eye.

Denying that is just like a religious kook denying evolution.

It's that insane. It's probably MORE insane.

35538
i guess that's not true, though

even baboons, though omnivorous, tend towards a vegeterian diet
despite having them big ol' teeth

meat-eaters are less than baboons

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Serious / Re: Hypothetically, if humans were carnivorous...
« on: July 05, 2015, 09:40:39 AM »
This is the point where vegans and vegetarians like to pretend animals are sentient
They are. Pretending that they're not is just a convenience for you. It would probably psychologically destroy you if you were to account for one moment all of the suffering that is endured by all sentient non-human species in the wild and especially those kept in factory farms.
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In all, humans evolved eating animals, it's not something new. It would adversely impact the ecosystem if we stopped.
In fact, we evolved mass-murdering each other, and it's already impacting the ecosystem adversely, it's something we need to go back to doing, and get over our moral qualms about it.
you need to be more subtle with your trolls

35540
meat-eaters

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Serious / Re: Hypothetically, if humans were carnivorous...
« on: July 05, 2015, 02:59:21 AM »
I think we are the endpoint, to be honest.

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The Flood / Re: send me on an SOS
« on: July 05, 2015, 12:51:43 AM »
I love The Police
sting is a garbage vocalist

35543
The Flood / Re: send me on an SOS
« on: July 05, 2015, 12:51:16 AM »
to prevent as much negative sensation as possible

even if that negative sensation is not your own

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The Flood / Re: HOW THE FUCK DID A MOTH GET INSIDE MY FUCKING ROOM?
« on: July 05, 2015, 12:40:37 AM »
dragonflies are gross

I kill them both any chance I get
you're gross

maybe i should squish you

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The Flood / Re: HOW THE FUCK DID A MOTH GET INSIDE MY FUCKING ROOM?
« on: July 05, 2015, 12:09:57 AM »
Insects deserve to die

they're nothing but scum on this planet
maybe mosquitoes and wasps

but like, grasshoppers and dragonflies?... no

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The Flood / Re: HOW THE FUCK DID A MOTH GET INSIDE MY FUCKING ROOM?
« on: July 05, 2015, 12:05:51 AM »
LOL

please don't tell me you actually have sympathy for fucking insects
i have an aversion to the senseless killing of things

sue me?

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The Flood / Re: I'm pretty smashed ama
« on: July 05, 2015, 12:04:02 AM »
i would rat on you for underage drinking

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The Flood / Re: HOW THE FUCK DID A MOTH GET INSIDE MY FUCKING ROOM?
« on: July 05, 2015, 12:03:16 AM »
or just let it out like a decent human being

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The Flood / Re: HOW THE FUCK DID A MOTH GET INSIDE MY FUCKING ROOM?
« on: July 04, 2015, 11:54:46 PM »
i think i made a post about the caterpillar before

like, i'm just playing a game with my laptop sitting adjacent to me
and the part of the game i was on was particularly engrossing, so i didn't look away from the TV for about thirty straight minutes

and when i finally do, i spot this big hairy caterpillar just standing there on my screen, all creepy and crawly

it was the worst thing ever

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The Flood / Re: I am pretty smashed AMA
« on: July 04, 2015, 11:51:33 PM »
i only made a cursory observation, carson

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