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35491
« on: July 05, 2015, 12:10:14 PM »
I'd argue 99% of the time it does. Prove it. Give an example. Animals suffer and die by the million every year, and that's in the wild and in the factory. Life certainly doesn't get better for them.
35492
« on: July 05, 2015, 12:07:25 PM »
Detritovores only eat the refuse material of plants and other animals, and seeing as naturally dead plant refuse hasn't suffered and still contains nutrients... Living plants don't suffer either. Not even when we harvest and "kill" them. As I have stated. Repeatedly.
35493
« on: July 05, 2015, 12:06:43 PM »
Why is suffering bad if it breeds something better in the future?
Because 99% of the time, it doesn't.
35494
« on: July 05, 2015, 12:04:48 PM »
35495
« on: July 05, 2015, 12:03:35 PM »
Why are you talking about medical shots anyway? Did you watch the video?...
The dog was SHOT. By a cop, with a gun. Two or three times. It was writhing on the ground in agony.
Because it was shot.
christ
35496
« on: July 05, 2015, 12:01:38 PM »
SO your ethics are an emotional construct that you apply to the unshareable physical wellbeing of another? I made no mention of emotions whatsoever. You don't feel bad for someone when they get shots do you? Yes, I do. Shots kinda hurt a little bit. I wouldn't want even that tiny little discomfort imposed on anybody. Anyhow, you can only share emotions with someone, and if something can't be shared with you, it shouldn't matter to you. Of course you can experience pain for an animal if you PROJECT. So the dog wasn't suffering, then. Yep, you're insane. I reiterate: If you don't think physical pain matters, then I hope you get raped by ten people at once. While on fire.
because it doesn't matter, right
it's nothing
35497
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:56:56 AM »
Well really you could become a detritovore to do the best possible Why would that be the best possible? And for plants, it's ending a life in much the same way of any living thing Except ending a life isn't bad. SUFFERING is bad. Plants. Don't. Suffer.
35498
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:55:44 AM »
If you don't think physical pain matters, then I hope you get raped by ten people at once. While on fire.
because it doesn't matter, right
it's nothing
35499
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:53:53 AM »
Why does it matter if it was experiencing physical pain Because it's a negative sensation in the universe. Negative sensations are negative. Anything that's negative shouldn't happen. Again, I don't know how to explain something THIS obvious to you. Physical pain doesn't matter It's everything.
35500
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:46:35 AM »
Yes they can feel pain and distress That's suffering. Call it whatever you want. I call it suffering. That's what it's about. Animals shouldn't ever feel pain. Animals shouldn't ever be tortured. Ever.
35501
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:44:57 AM »
Wait, why is suffering bad? Are you stupid?
35502
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:43:56 AM »
As for plants, plants don't suffer. So... That's just a pants-on-head retarded thing to say.
It's really retarded to conflate killing an animal for food and killing a plant for food.
35503
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:43:11 AM »
Nah bro you kill living things too. The point of veganism is to do the best you possibly and feasibly can. I am doing the best job that I possibly can. When I brush my palm against a surface, I know that I'm killing millions of microorganisms. Why do you think vegans have to be concerned about microorganisms that don't suffer? When it comes to animals that suffer, I try my damndest not to harm a single one. And I don't. Ever. Because I don't support the meat & dairy industry, and neither should anyone else.
35504
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:41:05 AM »
I'd rather be miserable than wrong.
we're probably all wrong in some small way. assuming that atheism is an absolute truth is just as silly as assuming that the holy spirit wrote the bible with ink and a quill.
It isn't silly not to make unfounded assumptions about the universe, no.
35505
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:39:29 AM »
Getting more efficient at it will mean less goes to waste, thetefore less animals are killed for food This is called veganism.
35506
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:38:27 AM »
Like I said, literally cannot stop projecting. Yeah, the dog totally wasn't writhing in SHEER AGONY at the end, there. Aftering being shot. That's just me projecting! You are insane. In. Sane.
35507
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:34:23 AM »
I'd rather be miserable than wrong.
35508
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:32:57 AM »
Dying is a natural part of life and there's no point of putting it off.\ This doesn't have anything to do with anything. Some animals suffer excruciatingly when they die. ...They ought not to. ...Duh. Like I said, you're just biased because you can't wrap your head around a mental state with no emotions because you're projecting, which is massively narcissistic.
I'm not thinking emotionally. I'm thinking logically. Suffering is bad. Animals suffering is bad. It's not that complicated.
35509
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:30:41 AM »
Ethics is a human invention
You're projecting human emotions onto animals in order to make you feel better nope i'm making a basic logic equation suffering = bad animals suffer animals suffering = bad WOW SO COMPLEX SUCH HUMAN CONSTRUCT
35510
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:25:41 AM »
Not physically, biologically, or socially literally none of this matters
How does this not matter when it's literally life?
because life doesn't matter either ethics do
35511
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:25:08 AM »
Not physically, biologically, or socially literally none of this matters
That's all that matters tbh.
the only thing that matters is ethics
Which don't apply to animals.
we're animals
35512
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:24:34 AM »
Sure it's still shite by your own imagined standards of what is perfect, but life is still here, and getting better at it.
getting better at what
35513
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:23:06 AM »
The point of this wall of text, is that physical pain isn't the worst part of being in pain, it's the emotional response that animals are incapable of. Dying isn't the worst part of death, it's the mourning by loved ones that animals don't do.
I disagree, infinitely. Dying is the worst part of death. Suffering is the worst thing, ever, and we have an ethical responsibility of preventing it when we can. I don't care that animals don't mourn. At all.
35514
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:16:20 AM »
Not physically, biologically, or socially literally none of this matters
That's all that matters tbh.
the only thing that matters is ethics
35515
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:13:17 AM »
Not physically, biologically, or socially literally none of this matters
35516
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:11:39 AM »
A convoluted and inefficient system can still produce desirable results. like? i've never seen that happen in my life if something is inefficient, nothing it could ever produce could ever be desirable just by definition of the word inefficient if it produced something desirable, i would call that an efficiancy
35517
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:09:19 AM »
Can, and just have. well, you're wrong I mean, life still exists, but it's not "perfect" (by our own judgement of that definition). so if it exists, it works that's pretty retarded m8
35518
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:08:32 AM »
Yep. Face it for what it is, cruel, retarded in some cases, and horribly inneficient.
But hey, it works. Most of the time on Earth, anyway.
you can't say that something is inefficient in one breath, and say that "it works" in the sense
You can though. Inefficient work is still work, despite the energy wasted.
"it's work" =/= "it works"
35519
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:05:31 AM »
Yep. Face it for what it is, cruel, retarded in some cases, and horribly inneficient.
But hey, it works. Most of the time on Earth, anyway.
you can't say that something is inefficient in one breath, and say that "it works" in the sense
35520
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:03:49 AM »
that's not something of your own creation though
that's just a known fact that you're just repeating just like vegans are superior to meat-eaters lol
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