i would kill myself

hmm

fair enough, if that's his argument

For a less extreme example, take video games. Maybe the reason someone likes beat-em-up games is because they were bullied as a kid, and these kinds of games allow them to virtually "get back" at the bully. The conditioning that led this person to like this type of game is a negative experience, or a negative conditioning. While innocuous, it could also be argued that his reason for liking the game is wrong (if you believe that "revenge" is generally a bad thing, which I do).

i hope what i'm trying to say is at all clear

and of course, by saying this, i think i have to note that just because your opinion may be "wrong", in the sense that the conditioning that led you to have such an opinion is bad/negative/wrong, doesn't mean that you're still not entitled to it--it's not that you're no longer allowed to enjoy what you enjoy, but i'm just saying

if the reason you like (or dislike) something is only because you had a messed up childhood, that's kind of unfortunate
and i pity you

Much of this comes down to conditioning. If I could contrive a scenario, perhaps the reason one might prefer peanut butter to caramel is because they joked on a piece of caramel as an infant, and that psychological experience caused you to think less of caramel in the future (subconsciously).

Obviously, not all of these conditionings will be so drastic or cartoonish or overt like that. But my basic point is, none of us are born with these proclivities--that would be the basic argument I'm making. Maybe it's simply as subtle as, you had two or three more pieces of some peanut butter treat as a kid than you've had of caramel, and as a result, you prefer peanut butter. Maybe you associate peanut butter with pleasant times you've had as a kid, or with another person. All of it matters. You aren't born a "peanut butter lover".

The same could be said of anything, really. If you like a certain kind of video game, you were most certainly conditioned to like it. Maybe someone who doesn't like violent video games only dislikes them because they associate any type of violence with negativity--perhaps because they had a bad accident as a child that involved pain or blood or something. I don't know.

I'm just not really willing to believe that some people like things for no discernible reason. We might not be able to provide the answers for why we like everything we like, but I don't think that's incredibly important. As for the objectivity of these opinions, I can't really say there's anything objective about it.

However, you CAN be conditioned in bad ways. For example, maybe the reason someone is a scat fetishist is because they were dropped on their head thirty times as a kid. That would be negative conditioning, and that would probably represent a bad reason to like something, and, consequently, a "bad" or "wrong" opinion.

For a less extreme example, take video games. Maybe the reason someone likes beat-em-up games is because they were bullied as a kid, and these kinds of games allow them to virtually "get back" at the bully. The conditioning that led this person to like this type of game is a negative experience, or a negative conditioning. While innocuous, it could also be argued that his reason for liking the game is wrong (if you believe that "revenge" is generally a bad thing, which I do).

i hope what i'm trying to say is at all clear

Opinions are facts because there is only one kind of possible proof, and that is first-person evidence. If I say "I think peanut butter is better than caramel", the only evidence available to support or deny the claim is my own proposition.

this is something we got into when i was arguing with tblocks

of course, "i think" statements are obviously always facts--it's a fact that you think something

however, whether or not peanut butter is empirically "better" than caramel by an objective standard of taste, however, is where the subjective part comes in--and i think that's what meta's asking

can peanut butter be objectively proven to be tastier than caramel (or vice-versa)?

Honestly, cyborg is technically the correct answer, but I'm just too comfortable with my own body.

I also just think it would be super creepy to be part robot.

i sure didn't

i could live if another generic FPS game didn't exist

EUs based on video games

who is bernie sanders

here, buddy

i can't wait until jive just SLAMS somebody

YES VERB I DO HAVE SKYPE

WHERE AS YOU GOING WITH THIS

I'M GOING TO BED SHORTLY ITS FUCKING 3AM

DO YOU WANT SEXY FUNTIMEZ OR SOMETHING

no, i'm just taking a census on the number of skype users on this site, that's all















add me numbnuts:

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Quote from: Verbatim on July 06, 2015, 08:49:04 PM

might take a new picture later to get a second opinion

I'd be interested to see that, actually.

that reminds me
do you have skype

Quote from: Meta Cognition on July 06, 2015, 12:40:28 PM

Life isn't supposed to be your hedonistic paradise, where you can unplug from reality and just drift about ignorant in your little matrix.

I disagree. I'm not trying to change the world, I'm trying to enjoy the base pleasures the world offers. Call me a parasite, I probably am one.

at least you're aware

there are people who don't like mods?

yes