Your posts aren't even funny. You're ruining the joke, man. Be cool. You knew what would happen here: nobody would agree with you, and you'd deny all opposing arguments. Just be a good sport.

Except a couple of people already agree with me, and even the ones who don't necessarily agree can at least see where I'm coming from.

And then there's you, who is struggling with the concept that doing productive things is better than doing unproductive things.

That's pretty special.

Hey Verb, as my mentor and sexual dom, can you explain how we determine something's utility? Because it feels pretty darn subjective to what suits our argument, and I don't want to fuck up while converting these druggies.

Don't you realize? Everything is completely up to our own subjective interpretation. As you told me before, as long as the pedophile is happy, it doesn't matter if the ten-year-old he's raping is traumatized. Happiness is an intrinsic good, after all.

What's that? That's unethical? Silly Turkey--there is no objective standard of ethics we can impose on anybody! Everything is subjective--just do whatever you want! Be happy! That's the MOST IMPORTANT THING!

It wasn't hard to pick out the only important part of your one line post.

I didn't have to disregard anything.

Except for the fact that you blatantly disregard the fact that I don't care about the invisible incentives that make you do mundane things.

If someone needs an incentive to do productive work, then they suck.

You are completely right, Verbatim. About everything. Marijuana is like nicotine and vegan ice cream is healthier and more nutritious than both of them. In fact, Vegan everything is better. I am now a vegan ice-cream-eating straight edge.

No, I'd have to say that you've been saying is far more accurate.

Weed is completely healthy and everyone should smoke it. Messing around with your brain chemistry is not only a smart thing to do--it's one of the smartest. Everyone should just stop being productive and just do drugs for the rest of time. Thank you for showing me the light.

]I think that putting the weed in the brownies made it food.

FLOUR IS NOT FOOD GUYS

I can put a fork into a brownie.

FORKS ARE NOW FOOD

that is not weed

those are brownies

just because the brownies contain weed doesn't make weed food

i can put anything in food
doesn't make it food

i mean, damn

that's one for the books

"weed is food"

amazing

There are plenty of people who know how you think better than you do.

There's a whole science behind it.

and most of it is absolute hogwash

either way, you're ignoring the fact that i'm not even talking about those kinds of incentives

and you cut out the part where i stated that the incentives typically have to be demanded
and i don't demand anything in return for doing the right thing

I don't need ice cream to survive.

you need food to survive
thanks for missing the point once again

Ice cream has a net negative affect on my health despite containing nutrients that are good.
It does nothing for me.
It has no utility.

literally everything said here is wrong

prove that ice cream has a net negative "affect" on your health

But somehow it's better than weed, for some reason. Its primary use is to taste good and make me feel better through the process of digestion in which the chemicals in the food trigger a dopamine release in my body. This isn't at all different from what weed does, you simply single it out because of your aversion to mind-altering substances in general.

is weed food?

no

What you get in return is moral satisfaction; the knowledge that you did the right thing.

being a vegan gives me no satisfaction whatsoever, actually

and either way--i don't demand it

that's another thing about incentives--they tend to be demanded
i don't demand satisfaction in return

do you think doing alcohol is cool?

it's probably the least "cool" thing ever

i'd go as far to say that drinking alcohol makes you more of a loser than anything else

If you take two different things you can do, and compare them in terms of right and wrong, and you choose the one you deem to be right, then your ethics are your incentive.

i don't think you know what incentive means

I was using your own statement. Ice cream has no nutritional value, but it gives you pleasure so it's good. Apparently. I'm just using your own argument.

you're being incredibly obtuse
or you're just dumb--i don't know, i could believe either

saying that ice cream has no nutritional value is a gross exaggeration--considering it does have nutritional value

it's food

you need food to survive
i've said this maybe three or four times now

the happiness you feel when you eat food has utility, because you need food to survive

you DON'T need weed to survive
it does NOTHING for you
it has NO utility

it DOES matter where your happiness is coming from
if the activity that's making you happy isn't accomplishing anything beyond making you happy, it has no utility

ie. it's a waste of time
ie. you're a COLOSSAL idiot for doing it

So your incentive to go to the fridge is to get food, and your incentive to want food is because you know you need it to survive ie: not dying.

Every action is based off of an incentive, nobody does anything just because.

i never denied this

that doesn't make it an intelligent or good system

i don't need an incentive to do the right thing, for example (ethically speaking)
i just do it

Happiness is needed to survive. Why does it matter what kind of happiness it is?

It doesn't.

you're just saying it doesn't, but you're not actually proving it

why should happiness not come ONLY as a result of productive or utilitarian activities

why