class's*

i'm in the process of watching every single pokémon movie (there's exactly 20 of them) because i feel like it

might make a big-ass worst-to-best list when i'm done

Quote from: Eli on April 15, 2018, 02:26:14 PM

Happiness is understanding and exploiting the game of biology and Verbatim refuses to play. That's it.

We`re not talking about happiness, we`re talking about jobs. People usually take jobs because they need to survive, not because to be happy. Hobbies exist for happiness. Jobs exist for surviving. Thats it.

well yeah, but the initial point of contention was the notion that "hard work pays off"

for something to pay off, it has to make you happy somehow, so the subjects are intertwined in that sense

this is your brain on jordan peterson

I don't buy it. Not every person is the same, and I think an industrious person that stays true to who they are will relish in working hard. As a creative and open person, what gives meaning to my life and makes it engaging for me is creating art in some form. When I observe someone industrious, they seem have the same relationship with work. If they weren't able to work as they wished I believe it would be similar to if I was unable to create, which would be certain misery and hopeless nihilism.

you never contradicted me here

i already covered stupid people in my post, and that's where i file "industrious people"

i consider being "industrious" a sign of lower intelligence—you HAVE to be an idiot to enjoy work

It's very obvious that you aren't an industrious person so I'm not sure why you would assume that someone who is would have the same relationship with work as you do.

i don't

hence why they're idiots and i'm not

No sense of accomplishment or pride? Maybe even relief that the work is over?

none whatsoever, mostly because nothing i do is worth pride and i've never actually "accomplished" anything

i have to convince myself that the things i do for fun isn't just a waste of time, when they really are

there's a very small fraction of worthwhile people who do worthwhile things on this planet, and i'm not one of them—if i wanted to be one of them, i would have to commit to doing all sorts of hard work that i'm not willing to do, because i never asked to be here, and i don't LIKE it here, so i shouldn't be obliged to do any work whatsoever

but at the same time, i'm not gonna sit here and pretend as though that doesn't upset me, because i'm allowed to be upset by that

This is actually concerning. Does this apply to all work for you?

just the biggest projects

you get yourself into the groove of chipping away at this big passion project you've had, and when you finally finish it, there's this feeling of "what the fuck do i even do now" combined with "why the fuck did i spend so much time and effort on this"

it's never a good feeling

How do you figure? Exhaustion? Because your body adapts over time. Any job you have now is nothing compared to hunting and gathering so your body has a long way to go before it could be considered "exhausted." Maybe you mean mental exhaustion, in which case you need to work off the cortisol released in your body through exercise or a proper diet. Luckily you're pretty close to the ideal diet, anyway.

emotional

nobody hates doing work more than i do, because i enjoy hating work, and i will die on that hill

i would prefer to enjoy work, but i can't force myself to do that, and even if i could, i wouldn't, because forcing yourself to enjoy things that you viscerally do not sounds completely insane to me

Misery? Humans are wired to feel good after completing something that needs to be done especially if you don't want to do it.

you just described the exact opposite of how reality works, especially for me

i finish something i've been working on and the next thing i want to do is kill myself

i feel nothing but sheer emptiness

And age comes for everyone

but i don't feel myself getting older unless i'm working

The pay-off is discipline and self-worth.

the payoff is also exhaustion, misery, and age—oftentimes in greater amounts

so, assuming you get enough of those two things to overpower the three negative things (and i'm only scraping the surface), and assuming you even value those two things to begin with, i guess under the most generous definitions possible, you could look under a magnifying glass and find trace amounts of you possibly being right if i give you that much leverage

"i died tired, miserable, and existentially unfulfilled, but at least i had discipline"

Quote from: Shhhhhh on April 15, 2018, 10:31:46 AM

Quote from: Eli on April 15, 2018, 10:27:36 AM

Hard work always pays off.

nah

Yeah, even if you're just building a habit of working hard.

i would like to point you to the slave trade

WOOOOOOOOOOOOW

Write up a big damn master list of your most hated anime tropes.

fun idea, might do

would take too long to do in one sitting, but let's get all the obvious ones out of the way:

recycling the same exact conventional art style that's associated with all anime over and over and over again—big eyes, small noses, thin outlines, slender frames, unnatural hair colors, over-the-top hairstyles, overly generic hairstyles

when main characters have 10x the care and detail put into their designs as opposed to background characters, and when background characters or extras have NO detail or thought put into them whatsoever (i understand budget and time constraints, but i'm still allowed to hate this)

lazy animation tricks—overuse of key frames, tweening, repeat cut, random chibifying/super deformation, only having two frames for talking scenes (open mouth, shut mouth—DONE!), literally recycling previous animations, and other stupid shit

every character has the same exact face

fanservice

wish fulfillment

>draw a girl
>call it a boy
*i would also hate the reverse of this—if it ever happened, which it doesn't

>draw a fully-developed adult
>call it a child or teenager

>draw a child
>sexualize them

>draw a child
>they're actually 700 so don't worry it's not pedophilia

disgusting pervert goes way out of line on several occasions, but is never seriously taken to task because everything he does is played for laughs and is shot with a comedic tone, so that makes it all okay and you should just laugh with them because hahaha humans are disgusting scumshit isn't that so cute and funny

female characters whose personality = "is sexually attractive"

sexually attractive female characters who are "badasses" and do conventionally masculine things as a substitute for anything unique or interesting—bonus points if they are cold, aloof, and/or distant because they're just so COOL

camera cuts to or pans over a girl's body for absolutely no reason, other than pandering

WHOOPS the MC just accidentally groped his love interest in the most convenient way ever HOW EMBARRASSING

WHOOPS the main female character just had a wardrobe malfunction and all the male characters saw!!!!! cue large geysers of blood rocketing from the male characters' noses (who the fuck gets nosebleeds just from being sexually aroused, and why the fuck does japan think it's so fucking funny)

beach episodes

when a character is about to confess to (or maybe even kiss) their love interest when they're suddenly interrupted by something stupid, and the love interest is too fucking dense to take the hint (common throughout all media, but anime is insufferable with this shit)

dense fucking characters in general, where being dense isn't a genuine character trait—their brain only seems to work when it is laser-guided by the plot

when love, friendship, or family saves the day

the generic male protagonist that is fucking impossible to not relate with on some level

harems

tsunderes in general, but especially poorly done tsunderes who are more tsun-tsun than dere-dere

character gets beat up or hit by a strong attack—cut to a shot of all the other characters gasping and shouting their name (bonus points if each character gets a split screen)

gasping in general

when a character gets really emotional about something, and the background gets replaced with flames or some other over-the-top imagery as they start shouting about whatever bullshit

temple veins, sweat drops, blue blushes with the vertical lines, exaggerated facial expressions and reaction shots

someone gets seriously injured for comic relief in one scene (like getting a black eye or a huge bump on their head), but they're absolutely fine in the next scene, because it was just played for laughs

a character is sleeping, causing them to blow a giant snot bubble with their nose—who has ever seen this happen in real life? i REALLY don't understand this one

shouting the name of your attacks before using them—it's cool in fighting games, it makes sense in pokémon, but it's not cool and doesn't make much sense pretty much anywhere else

when flashbacks are only used to pad out the episode

scrappy doos out the fucking wazoo

the classic "five man band" trope when played sickeningly straight

"AT THIS RATE,"

filler arcs, filler in general

we decided to set our anime in high school because we don't have enough of those

Quote from: Shhhhhh on April 14, 2018, 11:18:54 AM

Quote from: SecondClass on April 14, 2018, 11:18:13 AM

Quote from: Shhhhhh on April 14, 2018, 10:50:20 AM

or it could be a health problem, in which case that would indeed be a problem

there is no such thing as a "cosmetic" problem

A pimple on your face is a cosmetic problem, same with crow's feet etc

those are not problems

Yes they are?

If you drop a piece of paper and have to pick it up, that's a problem that you can easily fix

some problems are obviously worse than others, your insistence on this contrarian shit is exhausting

your existence is a problem that can easily be fixed

why hello there, Lord "I'm like Hitler" Starch

there is no such thing as a "cosmetic problem"