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31921
« on: September 01, 2015, 03:10:55 PM »
Nothing matters in the universe. Organisms aren't any more important than inanimate objects.
Then why do you still have inhibitions? You could be doing whatever the fuck you want right now, because nothing matters, and you're sitting here on the Internet arguing with me. You're the most pusillanimous type of nihilist there is. You don't actually believe what you're saying--you're just an edgy kid. You'll grow out of it one day, don't worry.
31922
« on: September 01, 2015, 03:08:26 PM »
If there is no divine creator then I am, because I only matter to myself and I have no reason to concern myself with others.
I cannot remember experiencing the pain, and I never will, so it did not actually happen as far as I'm concerned. It's MY pain, and only MY pain, so if I cannot even recall experiencing it, it essentially did not happen in the first place.
I'm actually writing a book right now on how retarded solipsism is. I'll give you a raincheck when it's finished.
31923
« on: September 01, 2015, 03:07:15 PM »
He still won't want to experience that pain despite being a nihilist, because, well, it IS pain. Because pain is a bad sensation. Yes. You are forced in most cases by the body to avoid the sensation of pain as it usually means something is going wrong and that you are being damaged. Which is bad. Nihilism is so self-defeating, it's hilarious.
31924
« on: September 01, 2015, 03:05:18 PM »
You're right, because when I die, if there is no afterlife, I wont remember any of it anyway, and it will be like essentially the same as if it didn't happen at all. But it DID happen. It doesn't matter that you don't remember it. You're not the only thing that matters in the universe.
31925
« on: September 01, 2015, 03:03:47 PM »
Of course it would hurt, but that doesn't mean it's 'bad'. Pain is just an organisms defense system to avert destruction and consequently, death. That makes it bad.
Not if the existence of the organism itself means nothing.
That makes it even MORE meaningful.
31926
« on: September 01, 2015, 03:02:24 PM »
Sure, but that doesn't mean it is objectively negative. Then I hope you experience the most excruciating pain for the rest of your life, because it doesn't matter to you anyway.
31927
« on: September 01, 2015, 03:01:00 PM »
Of course it would hurt, but that doesn't mean it's 'bad'. Pain is just an organisms defense system to avert destruction and consequently, death. That makes it bad.
31928
« on: September 01, 2015, 02:58:28 PM »
Says who? Imagine if I took a hammer to your face. You're telling me it wouldn't hurt.
31929
« on: September 01, 2015, 02:56:05 PM »
If you ever get the chance, I would recommend trying out what they call the "nuzlocke challenge".
It's a way to make the game a little bit more difficult.
There's two rules you have to follow (and you can add more of them if you wish):
1. You're only allowed to catch the first thing you see in each area, and nothing else. So, one per area.
2. If something faints, you must release it.
Unfortunately, you'd have to get yourself another game to do it, because >no multiple save files.
But that's basically the only way I ever play these days.
31930
« on: September 01, 2015, 02:51:24 PM »
Why is it a good thing? Because you're not suffering. Why does my suffering make any sort of impact on the universe? It doesn't make an impact ON the universe. There's an impact IN the universe. Negative sensations are negative. I don't know how the fuck else to say it. They're bad. Bad things shouldn't happen, because they're bad.
31931
« on: September 01, 2015, 02:47:40 PM »
There's nothing wrong with NOT pushing the button either, as nothing matters.
Nihilists leave and stay leave.
31932
« on: September 01, 2015, 02:46:57 PM »
The two negate each other No, they don't. The lack of negative sensation in the universe is a positive in and of itself. It's a GOOD thing that you're not writhing in pain right now. Not a neutral thing--a GOOD thing. Even if that were true, that's still one step above negative.
31933
« on: September 01, 2015, 02:43:33 PM »
Have you been having fun?
31934
« on: September 01, 2015, 02:41:15 PM »
If nobody exists to take pleasure in it, it is neither good nor bad. "No bad" is a good in and of itself. +1. "No good" isn't a bad thing. It's neutral. +0. 1+0=1. That's a net good.
31935
« on: September 01, 2015, 02:37:31 PM »
By that reasoning, I'd say childbirth is a 100% guaranteed greater good by ensuring the future of the human race... what that person grows up to be notwithstanding.
you'd be wrong, because you're assuming that the future of the human race matters
it doesn't
unless you can demonstrate how it does
which you can't
It matters because we wouldn't exist if it didn't.
but that's a good thing
31936
« on: September 01, 2015, 02:35:47 PM »
No such thing as dated gameplay--just dated mechanics. I played a little bit of MGS1 and enjoyed it.
31937
« on: September 01, 2015, 02:34:34 PM »
By that reasoning, I'd say childbirth is a 100% guaranteed greater good by ensuring the future of the human race... what that person grows up to be notwithstanding.
you'd be wrong, because you're assuming that the future of the human race matters it doesn't unless you can demonstrate how it does which you can't
31938
« on: September 01, 2015, 02:28:22 PM »
When Marty McFly changed the past, did he commit a form of genocide?
If your answer is 'no', I think you agree with Verbatim.
what an interesting point kudos
31939
« on: September 01, 2015, 02:26:41 PM »
So by that line of reasoning, you should stop being a vegan because when they die, they stop suffering anyways
Wrong. That would only work if they died instantly after birth. Which they don't.
31940
« on: September 01, 2015, 02:25:35 PM »
That's if we're taking morality into account. When morality doesn't actually exist. It actually means nothing but to the people who have their respective viewpoints on it. Kill a species. Universe don't give a fuck. Blow up some solar systems. Universe doesn't give a fuck. Blow up the universe and it wouldn't give a fuck. why should I give a fuck if the universe doesn't give a fuck that's not an argument against the existence of ethics Let's say a kid falls down in the sandbox and lands on a rock that was there just because that's sometimes what you find in a sandbox.
Are you going to demolish the sandbox because of the potential for rocks or are you going to just remove all the fucking rocks because if you're persistent enough you can? that analogy doesn't work because the neither the sandbox nor the rocks have anything that resembles sentience or agency or a "will" if you punch someone in the face for no good reason, you've committed an ethical transgression and I know, I know--"but what's a good reason" it's common fucking sense, sandtrap--you don't walk down the street and just swing at people randomly that's bad it's bad because it doesn't alleviate or solve any concurrent negative--it only creates a negative sensation now, obviously, you can illustrate scenarios where striking somebody would actually be a net good but this doesn't mean that there's no objective system of ethics--in fact, it confirms it
31941
« on: September 01, 2015, 02:20:08 PM »
Some people like sex, so some people probably wouldn't mind being raped. what's your point
Nothing wrong with rape then because it's on you to tell people you do not wish to have "surprise sex."
godawful analogy
31942
« on: September 01, 2015, 02:19:33 PM »
The concept of morality means nothing if it cannot exist.
Morality cannot exist sans existence itself.
you're never going to convince me that I can't have morals just because i'm an atheist ever
31943
« on: September 01, 2015, 02:18:25 PM »
Some people like sex, so some people probably wouldn't mind being raped. what's your point
31944
« on: September 01, 2015, 02:17:24 PM »
Do you think I'd be good if I just played MGS1, 2, 3, and 4?... I don't know if I have the patience to play anything else.
31945
« on: September 01, 2015, 02:12:27 PM »
destroying billions of children, lives, and family isn't lol Nope. Not if there's no one left to suffer. Which is the best thing that could possibly happen, ever.
31946
« on: September 01, 2015, 02:08:34 PM »
thinks owning pets is morally wrong I've never said this. I've described it as "ethically questionable".
31947
« on: September 01, 2015, 02:07:45 PM »
Nothing wrong with that line of thinking. Some people don't like birthday parties, and to be surprised by one would be a negative experience.
Then the onus is on you to let people know that. Some people don't mind being surprised. I can think of innumerable other scenarios where it's permissible to break consent as long as the outcome is a net positive.
31948
« on: September 01, 2015, 02:05:25 PM »
SecondClass at a surprise birthday party:
"...WHAT? What do you mean 'surprise'? I didn't consent to this! This is EVIL! You are ALL EVIL! Don't you know that consent is the fucking basis of all morality!? Ugh, I bet that cake's ingredients were made with GMOs... I hate you all."
31949
« on: September 01, 2015, 01:59:34 PM »
How exactly would you be preventing negative sensation from happening in the universe if there was no universe around to harbor it? i'm sorry, but that's a really really stupid question, and I can't believe you asked it that's like saying you can't spill milk and clean it up, because once you clean it up, there's no more spilled milk by destroying the universe, there is no more possibility of negative sensation occurring at all, anywhere it doesn't matter that there's no universe--there doesn't need to be It's not 100% guaranteed greater good because somebody is going to oppose it which therefore makes it a violation of somebody's personal choice. most children oppose vaccines why? because needles are scary it doesn't matter what the dumbfuck individual thinks--it's an objective greater good
31950
« on: September 01, 2015, 01:08:23 PM »
So whose perspective is right? logically, the perspective that prevents the most negative sensation from happening in the universe
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