You fail to realize that the entire point of being a priest or nun is to give up worldly desires and live for the faith.

I don't fail to realise that at all.

I just think the whole idea is fuc­king abhorrent.

They're not staying celibate so obviously they don't have self control.

Exactly. The systematic suppression of natural urges and human emotion will never result in anything good.

The ones that have stayed celibate are still doing fine.

I don't think that's a fair trade off for the institutionalised rape of children.

that would be considered lust.

>implying lust is bad

A good article.

1. The Church should stop treating women as second-class people, and not just in family issues. Women should have the same rights and privileges as men in the Church. We can only dream that one day there will be a Pope Frances. At this point, women cannot even be priests.

2. It’s time to end the Church’s celibacy requirement for priests and nuns. While promoting natural law, the Church fails to acknowledge how unnatural celibacy is. Here’s a novel idea: Shouldn’t priests be viewed as role models with families, rather than as unquestionable messengers who act as necessary intermediaries to God?

3. The Church should give high priority to eliminating family poverty caused by having too many children. Provide evidence-based sex education for young people, especially since abstinence-only programs have such a high failure rate. Permit abortion under some circumstances and encourage contraception. Pregnant teenagers are not ready to start families of two and are likely to drop out of school. Education for women is a primary method of reducing poverty.

4. The Church should recognize that masturbation is not a sin. It is natural and healthy safe sex, giving harmless pleasure to individuals without leading to unwanted pregnancies or venereal disease.

5. Regarding gays, Pope Francis, move away from “Love the sinner, but hate the sin.” If two responsible and mature people love each other, are in a committed relationship, and would like to marry, you should be willing to bless such a union. And please stop telling people that the purpose of marriage is to have children, since you sometimes perform marriages for heterosexual couples who are incapable of having children.

6. Please recognize that it is degrading to have celibate male priests passing themselves off as experts on sexual advice for women, men, and children. Male leaders in the Catholic Church are obsessed with sex. Morality should not be viewed through the narrow prism of sexual conduct. Ethical and moral behavior is about treating everyone with respect. If there is any issue that is none of the Church’s business, it is the private sexual acts of consenting adults. Church leaders claim to be humble, but their treatment of women and people who don’t share their antiquated beliefs is the height of arrogance.

7. Don’t expect those outside the Catholic faith to behave like those in the faith. Stay out of politics and don’t prevent others from following the dictates of their conscience.

All valid except for the first, really.

Please.

Perhaps she might convince you, or alternatively you know every side of her argument, and you can use it against her, but no, be the stupid brat that you are.

I like how you're assuming I didn't ask her all of that. When I post a verbatim transcript of the argument, then you can tell me what I did or didn't say.

Regardless, it turns out there isn't much you can say to a person who thinks emotions trump rights and then sits back saying "I've made up my mind and nothing will change it".

My feelings are hurt.

BAN THEM ALL.

I think you're a genius.

do you value justice?
as in, if a person is nice, you are nice back
and if bad, youre bad back

subjective terms, yes, but you get the idea

Of course I value justice.

I also value being the judge.

I figure myself to be more divisive than CIS Scum, so I feel more deserving of a thread like this.

Quote from: Meta Cognition on October 11, 2014, 05:46:18 PM

Quote from: Craig Rock on October 11, 2014, 05:43:37 PM

Is it anti-scientific to ignore the needs of a child to have two parents of both genders?

It's anti-scientific to posit that. The consensus is that homosexual parents are equally capable.

I've seen studies that actually argue the opposite.

And yet major psychological associations don't condone these findings. The empirics is on the side of homosexuals, here.

moderator abuse.

What?

Sounds like I missed something interesting.

Why don't you PM him on Bungie.net and see what he says.

Gee, that's not insanely obvious.

Islam believes in God, just as Christianity, but they believe in Him only by a matter of faith, without any logic.

You do realise the ontological argument you've espoused could be used with respect to Allah?

Or anything other you try to define as metaphysically necessary.