What is the general consensus on gay marriage here?

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I'm trying to get a clue at the kind of politics here. You guys seem to be very anti-feminist, which is closely connected to the LGBT movement, but you guys also happen to be very libertarian, which makes it unpredictable where you guys would stand on this issue. So on the topic of gay marriage where do you guys fall? Personally, I think I'm becoming more okay with the concept as time passes. I used to be against gay marriage however, because I didn't really see it as the most ethical thing you can do for the children growing up in a mono-gender parent family. But I'm still left with a few lingering questions. Is it anti-scientific to ignore the needs of a child to have two parents of both genders? Does it encroach upon religious freedom to force churches to marry gays? Can we really redefine marriage without it losing its merit?

If you have strong opinions, please do your best to control them. You need to keep in mind others may have strong opinions as well.
Last Edit: October 11, 2014, 05:44:34 PM by Craig Rock


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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Is it anti-scientific to ignore the needs of a child to have two parents of both genders?
It's anti-scientific to posit that. The consensus is that homosexual parents are equally capable.

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Does it encroach upon religious freedom to force churches to marry gays?
Of course it does.

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Can we really redefine marriage without it losing its merit?
Yes we can.


 
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Is it anti-scientific to ignore the needs of a child to have two parents of both genders?

Does this question equally apply to single parents?


Does it encroach upon religious freedom to force churches to marry gays?

Nope. None of the laws, to my understanding, explicitly require all churches to perform the ceremonies - it allows churches who wish to, and government offices, to do so.


Can we really redefine marriage without it losing its merit?

Marriage used to be, and in some places of the world continues to be, a simple economic transaction. You give me four cows, and you can marry my daughter.

Marriage has been redefined through the ages. This change is no different.


Last Edit: October 11, 2014, 05:48:03 PM by IcyWind


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Is it anti-scientific to ignore the needs of a child to have two parents of both genders?
It's anti-scientific to posit that. The consensus is that homosexual parents are equally capable.
I've seen studies that actually argue the opposite.


 
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Is it anti-scientific to ignore the needs of a child to have two parents of both genders?
It's anti-scientific to posit that. The consensus is that homosexual parents are equally capable.
I've seen studies that actually argue the opposite.

I'd love to see these 'studies'


 
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Gay marriage doesn't even need discussion. Of course those of the same gender should be able to marry.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Is it anti-scientific to ignore the needs of a child to have two parents of both genders?
It's anti-scientific to posit that. The consensus is that homosexual parents are equally capable.
I've seen studies that actually argue the opposite.
And yet major psychological associations don't condone these findings. The empirics is on the side of homosexuals, here.


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Is it anti-scientific to ignore the needs of a child to have two parents of both genders?
It's anti-scientific to posit that. The consensus is that homosexual parents are equally capable.
I've seen studies that actually argue the opposite.

I'd love to see these 'studies'
http://www.cfcidaho.org/why-children-need-male-and-female-parent

I can't stay to argue because my wife should be back from her errand soon and I promised to watch a movie with her, but this is one of the studies I'm referring to.


 
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http://www.cfcidaho.org/why-children-need-male-and-female-parent

I can't stay to argue because my wife should be back from her errand soon and I promised to watch a movie with her, but this is one of the studies I'm referring to.

Before I even look at your study, let me take a look at the "About Us" page for the website you linked.

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Cornerstone Family Council exists to protect and strengthen the traditional family and restore time-honored principles to the roles of family, church, and government.

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we promote pro-family values in Idaho

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In presenting reputable research on a variety of topics, we make the case for pro-life, pro-family, social conservative values in Idaho.

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Marriage
We believe that marriage was intended by God to be a life-long relationship between one man and one woman.  Such marriages best promote the nurturing and equipping of children and provide the foundation for a healthy, enduring society.

So, I'm curious as to how these study is non-biased, scientific, and reputable.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
I can't stay to argue because my wife should be back from her errand soon and I promised to watch a movie with her, but this is one of the studies I'm referring to.
The fact that the author is explicitly pro-family-values and religious casts doubt on its validity.


 
 
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There is no such thing as an unbiased study. get over it libtards.


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There is no such thing as an unbiased study. get over it libtards.
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
There is no such thing as an unbiased study. get over it libtards.
Of course not.

Biases are a result of values, which necessarily precede facts. It's just fortunate for science that it promotes the values which most closely track reality.

A bias toward following the evidence is nowhere near as intolerable as a bias for finding evidence to support your assertions in a dogmatic way.


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Totally for it. Psychologists agree that there's no real negatives imposed on an adoptive child for just having two parents of the same gender.
Churches shouldn't have to marry anyone they disagree with, be it gay, or even interracial marriage, but a government official should not be able to refuse to marry any couple that may be legally wed.


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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
I hate ALL marriage, government shouldn't be involved at all. If consenting adults, whether it be one man marrying 30 different women or any other combination, contractually agree to something I don't care what they call the contract.
I've come to terms with accepting that my anti-marriage sentiments are just fantastic dreams.


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Holy shit, what did I miss here that OP got teh banz?


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I cant argue with progress, just you.
Im ok with gay marriage. People are allowed to be with anyone they want or can stand them.


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I don't understand why people have such a big problem with it. It doesn't affect them in the slightest.


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I don't care.

Government shouldn't be dealing in marriage, anyway.


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Don't you know OP?

You can't have a different opinion than the mods or you'll be banned.

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You can't have a different opinion than the mods or you'll be banned.

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Craig was not banned for having a different opinion or posting a controversial topic.

End of story.


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Craig was not banned for having a different opinion or posting a controversial topic.

End of story.

It was obviously a joke. Stop taking yourself so seriously its a forum.

End of story.


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Don't you know OP?

You can't have a different opinion than the mods or you'll be banned.

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Dustin was banned for ban evasion and attacking another user (me), which was in another topic