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10381
« on: December 08, 2014, 11:44:08 AM »
Why separate the ewes from the lambs? I only serve myself.
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10382
« on: December 08, 2014, 11:40:41 AM »
Chronic and Kiyo should just be straight-up removed from the moderation team. You promote Flee and demote Slash to regular ninja (or kick him and replace him with Blocks). You also promote Icy to master ninja.
And then you promote me to monitor.
10383
« on: December 08, 2014, 11:27:22 AM »
Hmmm, I wonder how he would approach the idea of the advancement of automation replacing the slave labor in such a society.
More culture for all. Though, if anything, the replacement of necessary labour with something else provides the opportunity for the State to improve slavery. Just think: labour without a purpose, all for maintaining the position of a cultural-aristocratic government. Glorious.
10384
« on: December 08, 2014, 11:25:55 AM »
No, because I agreed strongly.
10385
« on: December 08, 2014, 11:01:06 AM »
I'll pick out some extracts for the most important points.In this essay I challenge the anti-authoritarian understanding of Nietzsche by showing that his refusal to grant legitimacy to the state refers only to the modern state. He is critical of the normative authority demanded by the liberal state, an authority based on antecedent consensus.
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At the same time, he grants legitimacy to non-normative authority, either charismatic or traditional, like the one held by the aristocratic states of antiquity, and by modern strong commanders like Napoleon.
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In his early work (1862-74), Nietzsche assigns an instrumental role to the state, namely facilitating the procreation of the artistic genius. This aim can only be attained by the Olympian existence of an aristocracy secured by the enforcement of slave labour.This is most evident in his essay “The Greek State” where the authority of the state is said to derive from the natural subordination of slaves. Slavery is the necessary condition for the development of an aristocratic culture.
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In HATH (1878), Nietzsche develops another facet of the notion of natural subordination conceived as the original foundation of authority. He understands the authority of the classical state as subordinate to religion. The triumph of liberal equality severs all links with religion and hierarchical conceptions. The state loses legitimacy and this marks the beginning of its extinction. What Nietzsche fears most are the revolutionary upheavals that follow the extinction of the state, and is willing to compromise with democracy to delay that occurrence.
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In 1881, a change takes place in his argumentative strategy when he realizes that the failure of that legislation has led Bismark to promulgate welfare policies that further erode aristocratic authority. He now argues that the worst adversary of state authority is democracy. This is the point of departure of his campaign against current morality which he blames for the growth and consolidation of democracy.
Simultaneously, he initiates a campaign in favour of a new aristocratic morality, a key element of which is an ethics of command and obedience. Further notes He defends the non-normative legitimacy of non-liberal authorities, both charismatic figures and the
authority held by tradition. In 1862, he writes an essay in which he lauds the victory of Cavaignac over the socialists, “of the monarchical principle over the republic” and then the coup d’etat of Napoleon III in 1851, which Nietzsche justifies on the basis of his charismatic authority. Nietzsche privileges the authority exercised by concrete individuals as opposed to the liberal rule of abstract normativity.
He sees parliamentary democracy on the rise in Germany and this has meant a weakening of the authority of the executive state. In turn, this constitutes a grave impediment for the advancement of culture. A well-ordered state is one which places itself at the service of culture and does not step beyond this ancillary role. It is clear that Nietzsche is not critical of a state that strongly promotes culture.
The democratic state, grounded in popular consent, cannot aspire to develop a true culture. An aristocratic state is required for that purpose, a state whose matrix is a superhuman executive authority, a figure of divine proportions that can grant legitimacy to state authority.
Slaves are instruments par excellence and a society that appreciates culture must necessarily be a slave society. Such a society requires a state that sponsors an ethics of command and obedience. The state must remain in the service of an aristocratic society and culture, and serves as an “iron clamp” to establish and preserve the institution of slavery.
Nietzsche believes socialism is to be blamed for undermining the foundations of a healthy ethics of entrepreneurship. The captains of industry no longer seek to cultivate and heighten their superiority, and have thus lost their noble manners. Military society has yielded to an industrial society which shuns the ethics of command and obedience. Present-day workers understandably perceive their bosses as “clever, bloodsucking dogs, who exploit their needs, and whose name, figure, habits and reputation are indifferent to them”.
One may obey or disobey the commands of the will to power. Those who disobey will end up being commanded, and those who obey will be commanders. The will to power is not merely a drive for self-transcendence in pursuit of self-perfection; it also articulates an interpersonal relationship that involves command and obedience.
This marks Nietzsche’s determination not to ground the legitimacy of state authority on contractual formalities. At the same time, he defends other forms of authority as legitimate – charismatic authority and traditional authority. Love a bit of Nietzsche.
10386
« on: December 08, 2014, 10:41:48 AM »
Not quite. Many religious denominations have begun, to some extent, accepting homosexuals.
Are you speaking globally? Or just in terms of the West? Not to mention, these acceptances are a result of the hammer-blows of modernity. They are not of the virtues of religion.
10387
« on: December 08, 2014, 10:38:27 AM »
Yet, there are many religious denominations and affiliations that accept homosexuals
A drop in the ocean, really.
10388
« on: December 08, 2014, 10:36:59 AM »
We believe Jesus is the Messiah.
Who also happens to be God.
Yes, Jesus is God in human form. The issue Isn't the denying of God, it's the denial of Jews that this individual claims to be God/Messiah
Which is exactly my point. Their god is ontologically and metaphysically distinct from your God. It's essentially the difference between Christians and Hindus - just far less removed.
10389
« on: December 08, 2014, 10:35:27 AM »
Your worth is determined by the enemies you choose.
Christians are not a worthy foe. Although, amusingly, neither are gays.
^dat nietzsche tho
10390
« on: December 08, 2014, 10:34:11 AM »
I find this comparison extremely poor.
Then you're missing the point, which is my fault. Gay people can believe in God inasmuch as blacks can believe in white supremacy. Which is however much they damn-well please. The point is about acceptance however. While the black may believe in white supremacy, he will find little toleration at a Ku Klux Klan rally, and the same is true with a lot of gays and religious institutions/movements.
10391
« on: December 08, 2014, 10:32:30 AM »
We believe Jesus is the Messiah.
Who also happens to be God.
10392
« on: December 08, 2014, 10:27:58 AM »
A gay person wanting to be accepted into a religion is like a black guy wanting to join the KKK.
So a gay person cannot believe in God?
No more than a black person can believe in white supremacy.
10393
« on: December 08, 2014, 10:27:18 AM »
Differences exists, but not to the point of what Sly was quoting; it's irrelevant because all three are believers in God/Allah/Yahweh, not non-believers
I still disagree. There certainly have the same start-point of Abraham. However, that doesn't mean they're the same God. Taking Christians, they literally believe Jesus Christ was God, while Muslims and Jews don't. This seems, to me, to be quite a big discrepancy. With that in mind, I don't see how you can reasonably claim that the God of Christianity is ontologically identical to that of Islam or Judaism.
10394
« on: December 08, 2014, 10:25:25 AM »
Your worth is determined by the enemies you choose.
Christians are not a worthy foe. Although, amusingly, neither are gays.
10395
« on: December 08, 2014, 10:00:49 AM »
k, you realize Christians, Jews, and Muslims believe in the same God, correct?
I) No they don't. II) That doesn't mean differences in scripture don't exist.
10396
« on: December 08, 2014, 09:57:49 AM »
lol
10397
« on: December 08, 2014, 08:47:28 AM »
>people thinking the nukes shouldn't have been dropped
Fuck off, hippies.
10398
« on: December 08, 2014, 02:26:13 AM »
Your junk isn't going to burst if you never get your rocks off for the rest of your life.
Speak for yourself.
10399
« on: December 08, 2014, 02:04:37 AM »
First one to really surprise me.
How so?
10400
« on: December 08, 2014, 02:04:24 AM »
I'm sure you've made at least one or two revolutions across all the quadrants by now, right?
Despite my best attempts to give myself some intellectual leeway, I've never actually drifted into either of the upper quadrants.
10401
« on: December 08, 2014, 01:58:43 AM »
10402
« on: December 08, 2014, 01:58:27 AM »
I just always forget about what "protectionism" is, because oh my god taxes and shit bore the fuck out of me. It's always the hardest one for me to answer because I just don't care either way.
Let me put it simply then: protectionism makes everybody poorer by unnecessarily raising the prices of certain goods.
10403
« on: December 07, 2014, 04:30:26 PM »
It's just far-fetched because it is indeed a child that we're talking about. They tend to be incapable of reason.
That, and the fact that taking pleasure in your suffering, for whatever reason, completely disrupts the idea of one suffering for the benefit of the many. Since you've just removed the suffering from the equation, and made everybody content in some form.
10404
« on: December 07, 2014, 04:23:19 PM »
I hope not.
10405
« on: December 07, 2014, 04:19:34 PM »
If the kid knows why, he or she could become happy No, they couldn't.
10406
« on: December 07, 2014, 03:55:07 PM »
Advancement, always.
That's probably because I'm a Nietzschean. And a Machiavellian. And a psychopath.
Still - advancement.
10407
« on: December 07, 2014, 01:34:41 PM »
Why the fuck would you applaud this? I thought you were better than that.
It's probably just being European. Challenger also brought up this point. Your Muslims are good at pluralism, even if non-Muslims fuck up at times. Our Muslims are horrible. I'm not even exaggerating, a majority of them don't deserve to live in Europe in my mind. Sharia courts. Sharia gangs. Rape gangs the police won't touch out of fear of being racist. I have nothing against Muslims in principle, but I'm always cautious when Islam enters the fray.
10408
« on: December 07, 2014, 01:27:57 PM »
That doesn't seem healthy.
Well, fuck me. I didn't think you'd return. Good to see you.
10409
« on: December 07, 2014, 01:26:02 PM »
The conservative in me applauds this.
The libertarian in me despises it.
10410
« on: December 07, 2014, 01:23:30 PM »
I see this thread has simply ended up going in circles.
Questions of morality tend to do that.
It's a question of integrity. Not morality.
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