Here? I do think so. Back on B.net? I think I was reasonably well known, but not a core member.

Quote from: Flee on February 17, 2015, 06:00:23 PM

Turn it in to the government, of course.

Mr. Flee, I'm here for your man card.

Fine, I'll customize it like this.



...and then turn it in to the government.

Turn it in to the government, of course.

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Quote from: EMBER | HAS LINE IN NAME on February 17, 2015, 04:54:21 PM

you still haven't made one for me : (

Me next

i already did both of you back in august

Haven't done me though.

Isn't your grandmother borderline racist too? If so, they make a perfect couple.

I can hacker type too, you know.

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For these past few days, I've been posting on and off on B.net again. Were the people there always this painfully stupid or are it just my nostalgia goggles clouding the way B.old used to be?

More of completely ignoring the larger picture and picking out a few things to make even more poor arguments about? This debate sure seems to be going places.

Except Slavery was a direct contradiction to the Declaration of Independence.. "That all men are created equal." Slaves were sub-human, how could they be equal to everyone else and still be a slave?

Slavery was a mere example to point out that you can't simply dismiss a proper argument by saying that "it just tries to limit things so it's invalid regardless of its content." I am quite obviously not equating gun ownership to owning slaves, and I genuinely don't see how you could come to that conclusion.

Owning a gun isn't a contradiction in the view of the ones who first created this nation long ago.

So? Are the views of some men who wrote and signed a piece of paper over 200 years ago the ultimate decider on current affairs? Because I can tell you quite a few things about how people back then felt about the place of women in society, the rights of colored people, the legality of torture as a punishment and so on. Times change, and while it doesn't mean that we have to abandon tradition and such, it does mean that there is no logic in using what some people a few hundred years ago said as a valid argument.

I also have no idea where you're suddenly getting this "argument" from, as I never said anything about how owning a gun would contradict anything.

You can sit here all day saying just how open minded you are, as does anyone else, but a mind is only so open till it starts showing its own biases. You are right, its only natural.

I'm glad you're at least realizing this now. I hope you also know that this applies to you just the same.

My mind will not change till there are equal to or more gun VICTIMS than gun OWNERS in this country.

Just when I thought I was getting through to you, I get that gem. You won't change your opinion and come even close to admitting that some restrictions on gun ownership might be desirable until a country that has about as many privately owned guns as it has people with a rate of 40% of all households owning a gun, has as many gun victims as owners? I'm glad to hear that if 50 million people get shot on the streets next year, you still won't consider it to be a problem at all.

After all, MORE guns = More killing, right?

Statistics are inconclusive on this. But more guns (obviously) means more gun deaths.

By the way: The leading killers of Americans continue to be non-infectious diseases like heart disease, strokes and lung diseases. But one of the perpetual causes of death fell off the top 15 list this year: Homicides.Jan 11, 2012

Three years old yes, but how much did that change? We need Heart, Stroke and Lung disease control more than we need gun control. Ban the cigarettes that kill more people per year than guns. Ban the hamburgers, twinkies and other junk food items that cause a stroke, which kill more people than guns.

That isn't even relevant in the slightest. You do realize that it is possible for a government to do more than one thing at a time, right? As in, there is no reason that we can't take measures addressing both gun issues as (infectious diseases). So, again, that really isn't even an argument. "X and Y are both awful and result in a lot of problems and death, but because X is worse than Y, we should only focus on X and completely ignore Y". Yeah, that's not how it works.

<—I'm sure guns give us Cancer though, right?

Please don't treat me like some idiot. Unlike you, I'm not putting words in your mouth and am having a factual discussion that does not involve resorting to petty insults and broad generalizations.

I like how just completely ignored how I showed that you are probably among the most biased and one-sided people in this thread. I see that you have decided that completely dismissing Meta's opinion just because he's British is perfectly acceptable, yet coming to terms with your own extreme bias is absolutely out of the question. There's probably no point in trying to talk any sense in you, but I'll try anyways.

Here's how it should go. Guns are good, have them if you want them. Don't want them? Don't get them, but don't push your anti-freedom just because your ignorantly scared of a tool.

Wrong. You are completely ignoring the fact that by allowing other people to have guns, I am put in danger. By giving every moron the complete freedom to carry a gun on him in public, you are putting both me and my family at risk. As much as some people like to insist that "if you don't like it, don't get one" is an acceptable argument, it really isn't. Because when something affects me, my safety and my freedom, I have every right to concern myself with it.

The anti-gun people's opinions don't matter because they want to limit or take away..

That isn't even an argument. "The people who were opposed to slavery didn't have a meaningful opinion because they just wanted to limit the rights of slave owners". Nice one. An argument supporting the removal of something isn't any less valid than one in favor of adding something.

They bring nothing useful, just stories.

Yeah, just stories and quite a bit of statistical evidence that support the merits of gun control.

What do Pro-gunners do? They want to buy more guns, accessories, get better at hunting or targeting sporting and have a strong way of defending themselves from the cunt lords out there who would rather take than earn.

Again, mere unfounded propaganda that completely ignores the reality of gun crime and designates everyone who doesn't agree with you as "cunt lords". The irony in you claiming that everyone in support of gun-control has nothing but "stories" to their name while you are doing just that is striking.

Further limiting or banning guns destroys an economy too. So lets not forget the negative, economic impact the anti-gunners want to cause.

While this is indeed the first proper argument I've ever seen you make, it's hardly a convincing one. It's all about balancing interests and rights. And just like how the economic argument in favor of legalising slavery, human trafficking, sale and production of hard drugs also exists, it doesn't come close to being a justification on its own of allowing such an industry to exist.

I pride myself on keeping an open mind. If someone makes some good arguments, I will take them to heart and will let them change how I feel about the subject.

I realize that just like every single other person in this thread, I am shaped by my culture, upbringing and personal experiences that bring forth a certain degree of bias. This is only natural and perfectly acceptable. It is only when you allow your bias to cloud your judgment, as you clearly have, and remain stuck in close-mindedness while mindlessly regurgitating the same bullshit arguments over and over, simply dismissing anyone who disagrees and makes extremely valid arguments that refute your points as a "cunt gun grabbing idiot libtard" or something similar, that it becomes a real problem. I have no illusions that this will actually change the way you look at things, but at least I tried.

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Quote from: Flee on February 17, 2015, 05:54:45 AM

Eh, could be worse.

Thanks for the optimisim

At least you're not playing League of Legends or something.

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*whispers* I play dota 2

It's alright, I still love you. Just a little less now.

Quote from: Flee on February 17, 2015, 05:54:45 AM

Eh, could be worse.

Thanks for the optimisim

At least you're not playing League of Legends or something.

I actually just played Brawl with a friend all night. It was good fun and made me want to play more SSB. Too bad I don't have any Nintendo consoles anymore.

They don't need lore. They need it stitched together into a proper and actual story.

>queue traumatic flashbacks of weebness, MLP and furry backgrounds with horrendous conflicting text colors

Rarely / Frequently. Just depends on what's going on in the week, as I almost never drink without friends.