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8401
« on: March 28, 2015, 04:31:36 PM »
And fucking this:
'Dear White Gay Men: Stop Approprirating [sic] Black Women'.
How the fuck do they even have the authority to make policy when they CAN'T SPELL appropriating. No, it's not "sic", it's fucking wrong. You're spelling it FUCKING WRONG.
What would they be refering to?
I don't understand the question.
Are you asking exactly what they're "appropriating"?
I meant that the [sic] obviously means they're refering to something, if they even know what it means. Is there some article or piece of writing by the "old white men" they're talking about in which they made that spelling mistake?
8402
« on: March 28, 2015, 04:26:38 PM »
What's it like living in your poor, Communist country?
Why don't you come to Jesusland? We have freedom.
Been to Jesusland several times before. Nice country, but I wouldn't want to live there. Besides, my girlfriend will be coming over shortly.
8403
« on: March 28, 2015, 04:20:57 PM »
It's indicative of a problem that both Challenger and Verbatim ended up being banned.
It ought to be the job of the moderators to head this shit off at the pass, and ban the instigator/worst offender before it becomes an issue. If you're banning two people involved in the same conversation, you didn't act quick enough.
It's always easy to decide on what should've been done in retrospect. When things start turning sour, our first reaction rarely is to reach for the banhammer right away. We try to talk to people and defuse the situation with a verbal or formal warning. When I did so yesterday night before signing off, I thought the situation was difused. The split thread had been locked and both parties received a warning not to continue the fight in public. This works the vast majority of times. However, this morning, it turns out that the warnings weren't received all that well and that in a new, similar thread, the exact same argument was starting up again, insults and jabs included. At that point, there's no longer a first instigator or someone who isn't crossing the line. Both parties knew what they were doing. That it went too far, and that we almost had another derailed thread on our hands. Like LC pointed out, we aren't always around. And in first instance, we always try to settle things without going for a ban or warning straight away. Furthermore, we've said it time and time again. If you see a post breaking the rules, simply report it. If you choose to instead respond with similar insults and set off a fight that could've easily been prevented, there's a good chance that when the mods get to it, we'll just see both people fighting and breaking the rules. And at that point, we have to treat them fairly and equally. We can't ignore one person's 5 posts that break the rules just because the other guy did so first. This isn't kindergarten. "But he started it" won't get you very far. So while I agree that this probably could've been dealt with differently, I'm not going to stop trying to settle things in a mature way by giving people the benefit of the doubt, rather than reaching for the banhammer straight away. This works easily the majority times. But Challenger and Verbatim were both crossing the line and were both given enough warnings, which they both chose to ignore until the very end despite having been made very clear that it would result in a ban.
8404
« on: March 28, 2015, 01:32:13 PM »
And fucking this:
'Dear White Gay Men: Stop Approprirating [sic] Black Women'.
How the fuck do they even have the authority to make policy when they CAN'T SPELL appropriating. No, it's not "sic", it's fucking wrong. You're spelling it FUCKING WRONG.
What would they be refering to?
8405
« on: March 28, 2015, 01:29:06 PM »
Just pointing out that he's wrong in the fact that mandatory voting would necessarily be a violation of the freedom of speech. In Europe, at least, it's pretty generally accepted that as long as you have the option to issue a blank vote or pick no party to vote for, it's in no violation of your rights.
8406
« on: March 28, 2015, 12:22:33 PM »
As much as I dislike banning people, especially those who are capable of having some good discussions in Serious, I will have no choice but to do just that if this keeps up. There have already been two threads caught up in this hostility and arguing. There won't be a third. Next time, no more warnings.
You know, he should've already been banned for his overly hostile and uncivilized posts yesterday. But of course since that's his schtick he gets away with it.
The both of you were pretty far out there. It wouldn't be fair to just hit one person when you were both going at it. Instead of just immediately smacking the two of you, I gave you the benefit of the doubt, locked the one thread and hoped that you'd take this to PM or would stop this fight from spreading to other threads. If you can't have this discussion without insults or letting this turn into a full blown argument, then please just take it to PM or don't have it at all. I hate having to moderate the Serious board this way because I know that you both are better than this, but I'm not going to let a third be derailed and brought down over this argument. And now that's sorted out, hopefully we can get back on topic without anyone continuing this discussion with another post and getting a ban.
8407
« on: March 28, 2015, 12:11:00 PM »
As much as I dislike banning people, especially those who are capable of having some good discussions in Serious, I will have no choice but to do just that if this keeps up. There have already been two threads caught up in this hostility and arguing. There won't be a third. Next time, no more warnings.
8408
« on: March 28, 2015, 07:20:47 AM »
That's a really impressive line-up for the 360. All of them games I'd be interested in playing. Good job, MS.
8409
« on: March 28, 2015, 07:20:12 AM »
holy fuck i need a third hard drive
I have a single 60gb (or maybe 40, I dunno) one and just delete things off there when I'm done with the game. You can redownload the GWG ones anyways.
8410
« on: March 28, 2015, 07:16:39 AM »
I like the idea, but I also believe that more people who stream should try their hand at actually talking. I'm sure that people would be more interested in watching the streams when there's actually some interaction going on and not just gameplay playing.
8411
« on: March 28, 2015, 06:49:19 AM »
It baffles me how stupid some of these people are.
8412
« on: March 28, 2015, 06:34:18 AM »
Only if you don't say "no homo" before and after the act.
8413
« on: March 28, 2015, 05:41:39 AM »
This raises a question-
If members of a group engage in genocidal acts against their own, is that true genocide? Or something else?
Can genocide be self-inflicted?
Yes, it can be. Even when people seek out to destroy only part of the group (given that this part is substantial), it can lead to genocide.
8414
« on: March 28, 2015, 05:35:28 AM »
Just a few things to point out here. the Latin word gens or gentis Gentis is the genitive form of gens. No idea why you're making that distinction. And it actually comes from the Greek genos, not Latin. Genocide is the destruction of people based on their ancestry. We all know this, so I'm not sure why this has to be exained. Not necessarily. Ethnicity, nationality, religion and race are the groups that can be targeted by genocide, you don't have to be related to it by ancestry. I really don't see how anti-natalism is genocide, given that it is entirely based on inaction, not the use of force, and is not intended to target a specific group. Correct. While the question of whether "all of mankind" would be a specific group that could be targeted by genocide obviously hasn't been answered, a key element is the use of force and imposing measures on others.
8415
« on: March 28, 2015, 05:26:57 AM »
There be an over ride switch on the outside
Which could be exploited by others, and would probably make it more dangerous. Cause what if the suicidal co-pilot would override what the normal co-pilot is doing and fly the plane into the ground?
I meant for the door so if it was locked from the inside it could still be opened on the outside.
That defeats the purpose of a lock.
It could just be an override that the two pilots get.
That already exists, but the person who makes the final decision is the one in the cockpit, as it should be. There's the normal lock, which can be overriden by the pilots from the outside by using their access code. But then there's also the emergency lock, which completely seals the door and disables the external override. This is so that in cases of a hijacking of a crew member or pilot, the hijackers can't force that person to open the door from the outside. What people need to realize is that you can't completely secure everything. There are always factors that you can't control. You can make the system as safe as it can possibly be to keep out hijackers or any other threats, but you can never completely "secure" the person flying the plane. That isn't to say that this particular scenario couldn't have been prevented, though. In this case, it could be that Lufthansa, the psychiatrist or the co-pilot's environment was negligent.
8416
« on: March 28, 2015, 04:52:24 AM »
Is anyone else unable to co op or pvp? My bells have been ringing for like an hour and nada.
A lot people have been experiencing problems, apparently. From is releasing a patch next week to fix some bugs and connectivity issues.
8417
« on: March 28, 2015, 04:50:22 AM »
Sure thing.
8418
« on: March 27, 2015, 07:26:24 PM »
You're probably coming to realize how stupid anti natalism is but you're too proud to admit it.
like the desperate loser that you are
Well, you can't say I didn't give this a shot. Time to end this discussion / argument. Continuing it in the same manner in another thread will result in warnings and/or bans. Verbatim, you're of course welcome to continue our conversation by PM. I haven't had the opportunity to discuss this with anyone before, and I think it's pretty interesting. I'd like to hear what else you have to say about this, if you care to share it.
8419
« on: March 27, 2015, 07:20:05 PM »
thank you for completely ignoring my point And thank you for doing the exact same? Regardless of whether or not it sounds awkward, it's a word coined by a single man strongly refering to a single event and later went on to cover more than just that. That's just how it goes and how the word genocide has been legally interpreted since 1948. You are welcome to try and challenge this definition and request that the UN , ICJ and legal scholars reconsider their stance and amend their respective treaties, statutes and writings in order to have the established meaning of the word genocide changed, but I don't see that happening any time soon. you realize you just backtracked, then? How so? Ethnic cleansing.
Genocide involves murder. PERIOD.
"Article 2 of the Genocide Convention:
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;"Ethnic cleansing intends the removal of a group, genocide its destruction.
8420
« on: March 27, 2015, 07:02:55 PM »
Well, I split the rest of the thread to keep this alive, Meta.
8421
« on: March 27, 2015, 07:00:36 PM »
Split the topic because it actually has discussion value.
Last warning though. Keep this civil, or warnings and potential bans will follow. Discuss this all you want, but keep insults or general shit slinging out of it. This is the Serious board.
8422
« on: March 27, 2015, 06:52:18 PM »
Sorry, wrong. Yes, this clearly trumps everything I was taught during my 7 year education of Latin and what both of my Latin dictionaries sitting in front of me say. In case you don't know, Latin words often have several different meanings. "Caedo", for example, not only means "I kill", but in a different context can also mean "I cut, hew, fell, strike, beat, end, finish, slay, slit, carve..." Besides, etymology is hardly an exact "science". The term genocide wasn't coined until 1944 by Lemkin. While its original meaning refered almost exclusively to the Holocaust and the mass killings of people belonging to a certain group, the term genocide evolved and has been expanded to cover more actions and provide better securities. So no, caedere does not exclusively mean to kill. And even if it did or if that was the original intent behind the word being used as a part of genocide, it's evolved over the past 70 years to cover more than just that. none of which is condoned or supported by my philosophy Maybe I didn't make this clear enough, but unlike Challenger, I am not refering to anti-natalism in any way. I simply joined in on the discussion to talk about genocide and its meaning. And for the record, I know that anti-natalism doesn't count as genocide. i am telling you that they are RETARDS if they think genocide doesn't involve murder
Fair enough. You are welcome to disagree, of course. Question though. What if a government would round up all members of a certain group (jews, gypsies, blacks...) and put them in prison, keeping them completely isolated from one another, with the specific and vocalized intent of ending this race / ehtnical group. They don't actually kill anyone, but they just keep them locked up and force them into labor and separation. A few decades down the line, the last member of this group will have died, and thereby this race / ethnical group seizes to exist because of what the government did to them. What would you consider this?
8423
« on: March 27, 2015, 06:30:41 PM »
Meta, you okay with this discussion in your thread? If not, I'm moving it to Flood. At this point, it's hardly a discussion fit for Serious anyways.
8424
« on: March 27, 2015, 06:22:42 PM »
and flee, as a law student, you should probably know more latin than i do
the "cide" suffix comes from the latin word "cidere", meaning "to kill" Yes, I studied Latin for about 7 years and can read it fairly well. In Latin, "-cidere" or the verb "caedere" means just as much "to end" or "terminate" as it does "to kill" or "to slaughter". Genocide is the destroying or ending of a certain group, not necessarily by actually killing the people belonging to the group. What you have to understand about genocide is that it's rarely a single kind of action that leads to it. It is almost always the actual killing in combination with causing serious and deliberate harm, the imposition of conditions of life leading to the destruction of the group and the imposition of measures to prevent people from having children. Deciding on a case of genocide isn't as simple as checking off a few criteria. It's always an evaluation of the intent and the entire context of the event. And while it is true that there haven't been any genocides that exclusively and entirely consisted of forcibly stopping people from having children, it is definitely a real possibility. the only circumstance in which someone would describe an act that involves no killing as a "genocide"
is if they were severely fucked in the head
Regardless of what you think of it, it is the culmination of decades of some of the most respected and intelligent international lawyers and high courts in the world working on this. It's an accepted principle of Customary International Law and can be found in both the Genocide Convention (art. 2-3) and the Statute of the ICJ (art. 6).
8425
« on: March 27, 2015, 06:05:33 PM »
using emotionally charged words like "genocide" is pure propaganda
pulling at the heart strings, creating an emotional appeal
it's a move cheaper than your mother's cunt
Damn you're really mad I'm calling out your little death cult.
Easy now. Discussion of anti-natalism is of course allowed in Serious, but keep it civil.
8426
« on: March 27, 2015, 06:02:21 PM »
according to you, we're all already killing babies by not having them, so
I said forcing people to not have babies is genocide, not whatever the fuck it is you're saying.
If it has specific intent, yes.
I still don't agree. If nobody is being killed, it's not genocide.
Well, the core idea behind genocide is the intention to completely destroy a group, whether national, racial, religious or ethnical. If you forcibly stop said group from reproducing and furthering their lineage, you are effectively ending destroying it by the next generation.
I can understand why you say that, but there is a general and international legal consensus on this.
Verbatim's position is wholly voluntary.
Oh, I know. I'm not saying about Verbatim or anti-natalism, nor am I agreeing with Challenger here. Just elaborating on the actual legal definition of genocide, as international criminal law has always interested me.
8427
« on: March 27, 2015, 05:37:41 PM »
hotmale.com
That's a legit gay porn site, I checked.
brb
...for science?
No
Ah. For furious masturbation then. I see how it is.
8428
« on: March 27, 2015, 05:36:57 PM »
according to you, we're all already killing babies by not having them, so
I said forcing people to not have babies is genocide, not whatever the fuck it is you're saying.
If it has specific intent, yes.
I still don't agree. If nobody is being killed, it's not genocide.
Well, the core idea behind genocide is the intention to completely destroy a group, whether national, racial, religious or ethnical. If you forcibly stop said group from reproducing and furthering their lineage, you are effectively ending destroying it by the next generation. I can understand why you say that, but there is a general and international legal consensus on this.
8429
« on: March 27, 2015, 05:30:02 PM »
hotmale.com
That's a legit gay porn site, I checked.
brb
...for science?
8430
« on: March 27, 2015, 05:28:34 PM »
according to you, we're all already killing babies by not having them, so
I said forcing people to not have babies is genocide, not whatever the fuck it is you're saying.
If it has specific intent, yes.
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