I have no idea. Cheat, Yuta, Isara, Deci and so on would know far more about this than I do.

Don't worry, I have arrived.

Flee

Hm?

Seeing weebs getting upvotes.

To everyone saying cyclists should be on the sidewalk, as an avid cyclist I can safely say that this is a terrible idea.

While I agree that the notion of trauma should not be stretched to such extreme extents that it covers "this person on the internet called me fat, I'm now traumatised and have PTSD for life", the general idea that this article (oh boy, "conservativetribune" sure sounds like a very neutral, factual and unbiased source in the first place) is trying to convey is rather stupid. Just because someone didn't go through the horrors that you did, doesn't mean that their experiences should be trivialized and talked down about. Even when what they have experienced does not even compare to the brutalities of war and that a lot of us can't even understand why it affects them so much, it still isn't much to ask to be somewhat considerate and not belittle their own little "traumas", if you can even call them that, while still not tiptoeing around the crazies who demand you apologize for the color shirt you are wearing as it is a trigger to them.

Because if we really keep this going, then fuck this guy with his little traumas. He saw a mutilated guy with his head on fire crawling out a crashed helicopter? Pfffft, I saw that happen to three guys and a child and I'm still okay, so what is he even whining about? My trauma > his trauma, so he should just be quiet now.

And before I get any comments about this, I am refering to the twist that the blog is putting on this. I read the actual essay that Turkey linked, and the marine himself comes out of it a lot better than what the blog is transcribing him as.

Mods are around and have decided that this thread doesn't really have any discussion value.

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I thought we voted for staff?

That only happened once.


Only one of the staff members that was voted for is still on staff.

who... oh, right. I forget that Chronic is still a mod.

or even here sometimes...

Flee was voted in

>mfw sole democratically elected mod

Oh yeah that's right.

How many people did you bully and blackmail to get the votes?

That just sounds so negative, don't you think? I much prefer the terms "persuade" and "quid pro quo".

As everyone's favorite master forum ninja, I am here to inform you all that I fought hard against the appointment of yet another weeb on the staff.

I tried, my friends.

185cm.

The demands you refer to are expressed only by what I'd call the fringe "vocal minority" of feminists on the Internet.

You could've saved yourself a whole lot of writing if you realized that this is the group I'm talking about. My whole post was simply an effort to explain why game developers are reluctant to open up to more diverse characters that are female or part of a minority. Because even though this group is just a minority, it's a very vocal and powerful one. The internet is growing ever more important, and a single (radical) feminist hashtag or spree of opinion pieces on varies gaming and social media outlets can be incredibly damaging to a game developer.

Because even though it is only a small group that thinks like this, short and un-nuanced keywords are an easy way to manipulate the masses. All it takes is some crazy extremists on the internet who take something in gaming a bit too seriously, and it doesn't have to take long before the watered down version hits the mainstream media and outlets where the generally less informed people will just get on the train of "these people think it's bad for women, so I too will share join the trend because I'm a feminist." Gamergate is a pretty good example of this.

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Interesting blog though.

I never got into this type of trickjumping, tbh. Much prefered the things you could do in the Quake engine. Still fun and cool, though.

This is fantastically written brb copying and pasting to every Anita sarkeesian video

Flee ©, please respect it.

What has always bothered me about these movements is that these social justice advocates seem to be shooting themselves in the foot. One of the main reasons that game developers are so fond of the white, straight male protagonists is not because they are evil agents of the patriarchy trying to keep women and minorities down, but because it is the only safe choice.

A white, straight man, you can put it any scenario. Give him any background, make him suffer any type of abuse and have virtually anything happen to him, and no one will complain or give a shit. And this is something that you cannot do with a character who's a woman or part of a minority.

If you go with a black guy, you can't have him be captured and enslaved, because that'll be a clear endorsment of racism. You can't have him be beaten by a white guy, or it'll be promoting white supremacy. You can't have him act too white, because that'll be forcing a person of color into a white-approved role and will entail ignoring and forgetting his cultural identity. Yet you also can't have him act too “black”, because that'd be enforcing racial stereotypes. He can't be around too many white people, because then he turns into just a token character, yet you can't have him around too many blacks either, because then you might be furthering segregation and showing that races should be separate.

If you go with a woman, then you can't give her a partner, because it'll be using her as an instrument of romance to entice male players. You can't dress or shape her the way you want, even if part of it has to do with the story, because having too prominent breasts, a slim waist and skin showing, you're objectifying and sexualizing women. You can't give her any background or storyline that you want, because a lot of themes are just absolutely taboo. You can't have her endure too much violence, or it'll be endorsing male on female violence. You can't have her interact with too many men or talk about men, because then it'll be too male-centered. You also can't have her interact with too many women or talk about them, because it'll be seen as a male (lesbian?) fantasy. You can't have her act too (typically) feminine, or you'll be treating them as an inferior gender, yet you also can't have them be too male, because then you're saying that acting masculine is the only acceptable way for females to get anywhere. You can't have her lose against males, or it'll be portraying women as weak. You can't have her receive help from any men, let alone be rescued by one, or you'll have the damsel in distress trope.

While pointing out these issues is obviously a necessary step towards overcoming them, it can cross a line. Instead of just making game developers aware of a lack of female leads and giving them the idea to portray women differently, this is also leading to negative and adverse effects. Game developers are more likely to go for the safe choice of the default straight white male, then to take the risk of including more females or minorities. Because all it takes is one slight misstep to start a feminist-inspired public outcry followed by a twitter hate campaign and boycot action.

And not only is there a whole lot that can go wrong with using more female or minority characters (as opposed to the typical white male), it can also really stiffle creative freedom. A lot of themes, story lines and plots become a no-go for all of the abovementioned reasons. Being treated equally should entail both the good and the bad, not just what certain people deem good and acceptable. "Yes, we definitely want more women in video games. But only if they're portrayed EXACTLY the way we want them to be. So no, you can't have her be oppressed, abused or raped. And no, you can't have her be beaten or overcome by a male. You also can't treat her in a stereotypical manner, but don't forget to include her female identity too! She also can't ever be rescued or helped by a man, or portrayed in any weak way, because that's endorsing the patriarchy. And no, you can't have her show any skin, even if it's part of the story, because that's sexist and objectifying women. So yeah, we want more women in games. But only if they're basically infallible and nothing too bad happens to them, and that they always triumph in the end."

The attitude needs to change on both ends of the spectrum. Can't have one without the other. A certain change of representation of women in video games is definitely desirable, but that also comes with a kind of responsibility and all the bad that goes with it.

Edit: I didn't mean for this to be this long, but class wasn't all that interesting and I got somewhat carried away.