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« on: July 07, 2018, 05:22:57 PM »
did you see that ludicrous display last night?
Of course. We beat the 5 times world champion.
I got the reference, no worries. 
512
« on: July 07, 2018, 03:14:03 PM »
did you see that ludicrous display last night?
Of course. We beat the 5 times world champion.
513
« on: July 07, 2018, 01:59:43 PM »
Imagine Croatia beats RU.
Croatia is probably the biggest favorite in its half. I wouldn't be surprised if it beats both Russia and England.
514
« on: July 07, 2018, 01:56:34 PM »
Life isn't anime
This alone proves that there's still an inherent good to the universe. Antinatalism disproven at last.
515
« on: July 07, 2018, 04:41:55 AM »
How's life and looking for a job going?
516
« on: July 07, 2018, 04:17:35 AM »
You're ignoring that there is no magical button though. It's easy to muse about a beautiful theoretical end of all life and suffering but that's not the reality. Committing genocide on dozens of species and killing billions of animals would cause a lot of pain, fear and suffering that could largely be avoided by just not breeding them anymore but treating them humanely for the rest of their lives. The logical inconsistency seems to lie in you basing all of this on respect for agency and an aversion of suffering, yet you seem to be perfectly fine with imposing (or ignoring) suffering and violating and killing untold amounts of animals because you're the superior creature who gets to decide how they're treated. Life is bad because it comes with suffering. You can reduce the suffering of billions of creatures by taking some control of their agency. But doing so and not respecting them is bad from a moral point of view. Since you're telling me they can't live a purposeful life (something you're deciding for that animal) you advocate killing them all which not only causes suffering but also violates their autonomy in the most significant way and goes directly against their deepest and most fundamental desire. I'm also puzzled by what you imagine a purposeful life would be like for an animal. They are objectively below us in intelligence and understanding of the world. They don't strive to make the world a better place, neither do they really engage in life-long planning or anything purposeful or worthwhile. They're born and try to survive from day to day and week to week. Feed, breed, survive, repeat. That's it. There's nothing more to the lives of most of these animals and for many this does not change whether they're out in the wild or in captivity. I can assure you that my dog has a much happier and more comfortable life almost entirely free from any suffering with me than he would if set free and left to fend for himself (he'd just die looking for me and wanting to get back), and the same goes for a milk cow treated humanely. So what do we do with the ones that live now? Set them free, something which will likely cause more suffering than just treating them properly for the rest of their lives? Kill off healthy animals with years left to live, something which will violate them more gravely than anything else? Seems like no matter the choice, you're going against a core aspect of your philosophy. I guess that logical inconsistency I see is that you advocate killing them all (which violates, disrespects and harms the animals and their agency/autonomy) because you think they can't have any sort of purposeful life anyways (which is kind of your own speciest argument where we get to do whatever we want and treat these creatures in any way because we're superior and get to decide what's worthwhile or right/wrong for them). Killing them violates their autonomy and puts you in a position of superiority enforcing your views on the animal. Setting them free will cause mayhem and enormous amounts of pain, fear and suffering for millions of creatures. Perhaps letting them live on in humane conditions and continue being milked/shaved is both less of an invasion of their agency and overall causes them a lower amount of suffering.
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« on: July 06, 2018, 07:52:49 PM »
What about the fact that several animals suffer when they're not treated that way? Not milking cows can have pretty serious negative effects for their health and the same applies for other animals (sheep not being shaved, for example). Should we just stop milking or shaving them and just accept that it will harm millions of animals or do you suggest we do those things but then just throw away and waste all of the resources?
i don't know for sure, but i'd imagine that's only because those particular animals were so heavily specialized to BE exploited, that not exploiting them for their materials would also be harmful to them in the way you noted
animals bred in this fashion should, frankly, be put out of their misery—it's not like they'll be able to survive in the wild, or anything
if this remains true of farm animals that are not specialized, i'm not sure if any such animals even exist at this point, and i guess i would need to see the studies before making any concrete statements on that
That doesn't seem to be very logically consistent. The animals are there. They're alive and well regardless of whether they were bred to be a certain them. Killing millions of them off doesn't seem very humane or fair especially when they can lead pretty normal and "fulfilling" lives by the standards of animals like them. There's very few pets would be able to survive in the wild either, yet I doubt you advocate for a genocide of dogs, rabbits, birds, horses and so on for that reason. Seems to me that, even if you oppose that these animals were at one point bred to be this way and think we should end this right now, keeping them healthy by occasionally performing a non-invasive and largely painfree/harmless procedure like milking a cow or shaving a sheep is much more humane, respectful and fair than it is to slaughter them by the millions while also letting their "materials" go to waste even though they could ease the suffering of heaps of poor and hungry people.
518
« on: July 06, 2018, 03:44:40 PM »
Brazil will lose to Belgium.
Is this a joke
Haters absolutely getting fucked right now. GG Belgium going strong.
idiots automatically thinking Brazil are gonna win the world cup.
But clearly European teams are far superior.
>is this a joke >Absolutely BTFO by superior Belgium Luke, a based man of culture. 
519
« on: July 06, 2018, 03:14:40 PM »
Brazil will lose to Belgium.
Is this a joke
Haters absolutely getting fucked right now. GG Belgium going strong.
520
« on: July 06, 2018, 11:22:34 AM »
That guide really underestimates how bad vegan food tastes like.
i think you're overestimating how much it matters
vegan food could taste like literal, actual shit, and i wouldn't stop being a vegan or being an advocate
it helps that it actually doesn't taste that bad, though
For you.
Do you think being misinformed is why more people arent vegan?
Gonna go out on a limb here and say no. I'd imagine that many people are aware of what this might mean for the treatment of animals but continue eating meat because it's tasty, because switching to vegan can take a lot of effort and be more expensive and because they're just used to it.
521
« on: July 06, 2018, 11:20:05 AM »
Is free-range farming a cow for milk / cheese okay?
nope, because that cow's milk is still not really for you to consume, and the cow itself still does not exist for you to exploit, even if you treat it as nicely as possible
i'd have to concede that it's much less shitty to do it that way (or at least, the idea of it is), but it's still highly unnecessary
What about the fact that several animals suffer when they're not treated that way? Not milking cows can have pretty serious negative effects for their health and the same applies for other animals (sheep not being shaved, for example). Should we just stop milking or shaving them and just accept that it will harm millions of animals or do you suggest we do those things but then just throw away and waste all of the resources?
522
« on: July 05, 2018, 05:58:00 PM »
Not gonna go through all of it but I'm immediately skeptical of any activist site or group that make claims like "scientists have proven that X" when this is not only contested/challenged but also ignores crucial parts of the research at hand. This is literally the second point out of the list of 49 and I already have issues trusting their other claims. If you ever want to win people over and build a proper argument, don't do this stuff. It only hurts your credibility.
Don't see anything wrong with the argument.
My response to the same argument was better anyway, so substitute mine for theirs if you absolutely must.
Didn't say there was anything wrong with the argument. My point is that I'm a mere two arguments down the list and they've already demonstrated that they're either not very informed or (more likely) that they're perfectly fine with fudging facts, leaving out key pieces of information and deliberately not including evidence to the contrary when it hurts their narrative. I don't have the time or interest to scrutinize all of it so being able to accept the information they provide and trust they're not misleading you is pretty crucial to accept what they say. The fact that I already can't trust them to be truthful on #2 means that I can't exactly expect them to be more honest on the other 47 points. This is all separate from your post. Just sharing my concerns of the site you linked.
523
« on: July 05, 2018, 05:29:54 PM »
Not gonna go through all of it but I'm immediately skeptical of any activist site or group that make claims like "scientists have proven that X" when this is not only contested/challenged but also ignores crucial parts of the research at hand. This is literally the second point out of the list of 49 and I already have issues trusting their other claims. If you ever want to win people over and build a proper argument, don't do this stuff. It only hurts your credibility.
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« on: July 05, 2018, 05:20:26 PM »
I followed the thread fine on mobile.
fair enough, i've just heard that spoiler tags don't work on mobile or something
They're broken only when you use the Tapatalk app to access the site. Never understood why anyone would do so since the default mobile version of the site is already pretty great.
525
« on: July 05, 2018, 04:34:38 PM »
Jokes aside, I'm glad this was rejected. This was not only bad legislation that shouldn't pass but it also illustrates how the system can and actually does work. Despite all the largely uninformed people trashing the EU as self-serving bureaucrats and inscrutable globalist elites, the Parliament listened to its constituents and acted for the benefit of its people. For all the flack it gets for somehow being anti-democratic, here we have a supranational organization doing the right thing and not accepting this kind of legislation. Meanwhile, we see the USA scrap net neutrality despite bipartisan and enormous support in favor of it, and the UK retract its highly criticized Snooper's Charter on surveillance and possible anti-encryption only after European courts intervened despite there already being massive criticism and opposition by the public and experts.
We're not in the clear just yet but this is promising. The EU isn't without its flaws but it is without a doubt a great institution with massive accomplishments and better results than many actual governments.
526
« on: July 05, 2018, 07:39:09 AM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44712475
b-b-but i thought memes were DOOMED?!?!?!
Just memes? This was LITERALLY going to destroy the entire internet Fedorekd wtf it's almost as if you didn't listen to all the randoms on Reddit who became EU intellectual property law experts overnight and posted sensationalist BS to get people riled up. Get with the program ya dip.
527
« on: July 03, 2018, 02:59:08 PM »
1-1 in the 92nd minute. Colombia pulling through to the extensions damn.
528
« on: July 03, 2018, 02:33:37 PM »
We're getting close to the end of the game and Colombia has almost averaged 1 yellow card per 10 minutes. Some of them weren't even during playtime but while they were setting up for a freekick and just subtly headbutted the opposition. They've given England so many free kicks and even a penalty that resulted in the only goal. This is how you literally hand the opposing team the victory, GG Colombia.
529
« on: July 02, 2018, 06:41:32 PM »
Brazil will lose to Belgium.
They better.
530
« on: July 02, 2018, 03:10:40 PM »
Let's go!
531
« on: July 02, 2018, 03:07:09 PM »
Halo 3 announcement trailer at E3 will forever be my favorite.
532
« on: July 02, 2018, 07:32:36 AM »
Who?
Remember Pizzagate?
No?
He put out an elaborate theory that the Clintons ran a child sex den out of a pizza parlor
Even though there's no proof of that, I wouldn't be surprised if that shit were to be true.
The Clintons are horrible fucking people.
Why's that?
533
« on: July 02, 2018, 07:31:57 AM »
I just realized that I have yet to see a single (serious) conspiracy theory about AI. Seems really strange now that I think about it. Artificial Intelligence and machine learning sound like they would be the perfect topic for one. Lack of extensive regulation, inacessible to the average person, almost exclusively the domain of big unaccountable companies and governments, potential military/police/political applications, plenty of threats to many people (robotics taking jobs) and lots of (smart) skeptics, capable of controlling just about every aspect of society from the shadows... Seems to me like you couldn't hope for a better topic for a conspiracy theory and yet I'm not finding any.
Maybe it's just too genuine as a threat to qualify for tinfoil hatters to latch onto.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. It probably also has to do with the lack of any real events. AI is still in its infancy and AGI is just a pipe dream. There haven't been any attacks, major accomplishments, system failures or mishaps. Nothing to be covered up and no actions or behaviors that might raise suspicion. Conspiracy theories usually involve some kind of event (9/11, moon landing) or (in)observable phenomenon (chemtrails, flat earth, vaccinations, civil unrest) that involve a powerful and elusive group (NWO, governments, illuminati...) keeping it hidden or causing it in the first place. AI hasn't seen any of that happen yet.
True, but Tay didn't have any negative consequences for anyone and it went wrong because of people trolling her. There's no need for any cover ups or suspicion.
534
« on: July 01, 2018, 02:03:43 PM »
I just realized that I have yet to see a single (serious) conspiracy theory about AI. Seems really strange now that I think about it. Artificial Intelligence and machine learning sound like they would be the perfect topic for one. Lack of extensive regulation, inacessible to the average person, almost exclusively the domain of big unaccountable companies and governments, potential military/police/political applications, plenty of threats to many people (robotics taking jobs) and lots of (smart) skeptics, capable of controlling just about every aspect of society from the shadows... Seems to me like you couldn't hope for a better topic for a conspiracy theory and yet I'm not finding any.
Maybe it's just too genuine as a threat to qualify for tinfoil hatters to latch onto.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. It probably also has to do with the lack of any real events. AI is still in its infancy and AGI is just a pipe dream. There haven't been any attacks, major accomplishments, system failures or mishaps. Nothing to be covered up and no actions or behaviors that might raise suspicion. Conspiracy theories usually involve some kind of event (9/11, moon landing) or (in)observable phenomenon (chemtrails, flat earth, vaccinations, civil unrest) that involve a powerful and elusive group (NWO, governments, illuminati...) keeping it hidden or causing it in the first place. AI hasn't seen any of that happen yet.
536
« on: July 01, 2018, 01:37:16 PM »
I just realized that I have yet to see a single (serious) conspiracy theory about AI. Seems really strange now that I think about it. Artificial Intelligence and machine learning sound like they would be the perfect topic for one. Lack of extensive regulation, inacessible to the average person, almost exclusively the domain of big unaccountable companies and governments, potential military/police/political applications, plenty of threats to many people (robotics taking jobs) and lots of (smart) skeptics, capable of controlling just about every aspect of society from the shadows... Seems to me like you couldn't hope for a better topic for a conspiracy theory and yet I'm not finding any.
537
« on: July 01, 2018, 10:55:52 AM »
Watching a Jojo compilation on YouTube had made me understand why Japan has such a high suicide rate.
538
« on: June 30, 2018, 04:27:56 PM »
Cowboy Bebop - It has to be mentioned. Look, by all means—if you haven't seen this show, and you like space operas, go and watch it. It's a classic. I don't think it's list-worthy, but everyone in the universe thinks it's the bees' knees, so go try it out for yourself. You'll probably end up liking it just like everyone else, unless you're Flee. Fine, I'll try it again and will watch more than just 1 episode. This time I might make a thread about it to review and list all my gripes.
539
« on: June 30, 2018, 04:01:44 PM »
Anyone here with some first hand experience with this kind of stuff want to share how they got into this kind of stuff or political extremism? I fully understand the process of how these theories and alt stuff takes hold but I'm always interested in hearing a practical example.
540
« on: June 30, 2018, 03:58:36 PM »
 Top comment on the first QANON video I checked out on Youtube. Thank you Nancy for finally asking THE REAL questions and Gregg for providing an answer.
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