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Gaming / Re: Quakecon 2017
« on: August 17, 2017, 04:08:25 PM »
But shit man.

>no Cypher, best overall Quake player in the world
>no Agent, easily top 5 QC players in the world
>probably no Evil, top 3 Quake Live players ever

Just gotta get rid of Cooller now and they might as well just hand it to Rapha. :^)

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Gaming / Re: Quakecon 2017
« on: August 17, 2017, 04:05:56 PM »
Doom guy's special ability is Berzerk mode, basically rip and tear
Doom guy's passive ability is double-jump
All great news. Compilation of all the news here:

http://esreality.com/post/2886158/quake-champions-early-access-starts-soon/

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Gaming / Re: Quakecon 2017
« on: August 17, 2017, 10:28:23 AM »
And Cypher didn't get a visa either. What a damn shame. It's becoming increasingly easy to believe Cooller when he talks about bias amongst the organizers. What a travesty that already 3 of the best players already can't come.

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The Flood / Re: Cute anime things thread
« on: August 17, 2017, 07:15:19 AM »
someone please request a fucking lock

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I listen to Alex Jones
Can you open my jar of pickles?
Seriously, the guy is a national treasure. He's the only reason I have energy to smile every day.
Revolutionaries don't sell products. Scammers do.
You guys should watch the Harry Potter goes neo nazi informer movie. There's a guy in there who's basically Alex Jones 2.0 and is clearly inspired by him. When arrested by the FBI in relation to a terrorist plot, he gets scared and admits he doesn't believe half of the shit he says but just does it for the money and fame, as his nutbag audience eats that shit up and is willing to sponsor him and buy his merchandise as long as he feeds their fear and pretends to be a tough guy fighting for truth. I could well be wrong, but I think Jones isn't any different. I doubt he still believes much of what he says. But he has gained a large following and it's just a business to him at this point. Make money from his show and sites, pander apocalyptic conspiracy theories, get sponsored by people who he provides propaganda for and then sucker thousands of people into buying his snake oil and low quality products because Obama is going to crash and burn the country any day now so you really need his survival kits and performance enhancers to counteract the chemicals the government puts in your water to weaken you when they take over.

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Serious / Re: Good guy Donny
« on: August 16, 2017, 03:38:18 AM »
I'm laughing at the OP now since he more or less just said fuck it and walked back lol
Yeah, it seems that every time he does something right, there's a fuck up to reverse it just around the corner.

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Here's the article, btw. Can't vouch at all for the source and haven't checked every claim they made, but I think the gist of it is pretty solid.

"The Ku Klux Klan (KKK) rally in Charlottesville last month was a properly audacious event. The terrorist organization, once confined to the shadows of clandestine gatherings, felt emboldened to reveal themselves publicly. This should come as no real surprise. We live in a political age where creeping white nationalism, supremacy, xenophobia, and hatred of the ‘other’ is being mainstreamed in a very real and very subversive way. The conditions for the KKK to come out of the shadows has never been better.

While they will always pose a risk to public safety given their history of terrorism and violence, they are no longer the primary threat to equality and multiculturalism. In the contest of ideas that now defines this political age, they have lost. They are too old, too redneck, and their brand too toxic. They have not mastered the art of strategic messaging, free media, or how to present themselves in a way that can capture new social voice and recruits.

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Because ‘Unite the Right’ represents a pivot away from an outdated expression of racism and supremacy that people – especially young people – will never grow accustomed too. The ability to scale messaging into new spaces and new demographics is not available for a group like the KKK anymore – even though some of the core belief system is the same. What is available, however, is conversation and rhetoric that advocates supporting ‘Western Civilization’ and ‘Awakened European Identity’. This is how the current white nationalist conversation is being mainstreamed to push their supremacist agenda.

Duke, like many others, knows that the future is not in robe-wearing Klansmen, but in the slow merging of white nationalism and national identity with conservative politics into a coherent mainstream ideology. This ideology, known as ethno-nationalism, is defined by the idea of shared heritage that includes common language, faith, racial, and cultural origins. Translation: White European Christians."

https://rvamag.com/politics/virginia-politics/opinion-the-real-threat-is-unite-the-right/

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I think you're kind of missing the main points of my post.

1. Treating something like a joke doesn't necessarily make it any less serious. You laugh at climate change deniers / anti-vaxxers and shower them with facts and reason, and yet the US now has a president voted for by almost half the country who is both a CC denier and anti-vaxxer, all while certain preventable diseases are making a comeback and environmental protection regulations are being repealed. It's clear that showing these people that they are wrong and not giving them any credibility whatsoever doesn't necessarily work at all.

2. This isn't an all or nothing scenario where the only way these people succeed is when they turn the West into the Fourth Reich. Just like with the examples above, it's possible for them to do a lot of damage well before they get there. Populism has been on the rise in many parts of the world. Anti-intellectualism, denial of science and alternative facts are commonplace and often encouraged. We see Trump, Brexit and far right nationalist leaders becoming more popular go hand in hand with increases in crime against minorities and the radicalization of fringe groups now feeling empowered. These people helped elect Trump who, when asked to condemn neo nazis executing terror attacks in the US, literally just turned around and walked out of the room without answering. Sure, the literal nazis donning swastikas might be a fringe minority, but the gist of their ideals is taking hold with many more. I'll try finding an article I read about it earlier, but it basically said that many of the influential people in these movements realize that their way forward is not by banking on a new generation of all people saluting Hitler or burning crosses in white gowns. Their future is to turn these beliefs into something mainstream that slowly slides down a slope, and they're succeeding at it.

As I said earlier, I think you're underestimating this. It's easy to say that we can just treat it as a joke and a fringe minority doomed to fail, but every single day more and more people are taking on these extremist views, only now with a nice bow on it. "I'm not a climate change denier, but you're not gonna tell me global warming is real as long as it still snows on Christmas! I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but you're not gonna convince me that a baby needs all these chemicals injected! I'm not a racist nazi, but I just think that whites should fight back against jews and foreigners!" Violence is not the answer, but I think you're wrong in saying that dismissing them as a joke and fools with a vision that can never succeed is going to accomplish anything. Because they don't need a Fourth Reich to win. They just need their extreme ideals to find a more mainstream audience. And while we just laugh at them, the process I described in my earlier post turns many moderates into hardliners who eagerly embrace the "nazi/extremist/racist/counter-factual" views, only now as a lite and slightly fluffier version.

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The Flood / Re: I'm conflicted on @yesyoureracist
« on: August 15, 2017, 02:53:58 PM »
I'm not trying to say killing a person isn't equal or less wrong than just starting violence, but if both groups are being violent, aren't both in the wrong?
In my opinion they sure are. I don't support vandalism and violent thugs on either side. 
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None of that is technically a problem though. Legally speaking, they have the right to do so.
Absolutely. They have their freedom of speech. But as I'm sure you know, all this means is that they're free to go and speak their mind. It means they're free from government influence trying to prevent or punish them for doing so. What it doesn't mean is that they're then also free from consequences imposed by others. If your freedom of speech entails you calling for the death of others and hailing Hitler in public with a swastika on your arm, then it sure as hell also entails other people watching you do it and going "hey, isn't that John Doe?". What Turkey said is harsh but very true. You're in a public space. Anyone can legally take pictures of the crowds there. If you don't wear a mask, you're putting yourself out there to be identified. And there is nothing illegal about some dude on Twitter saying "the nazi in this picture is John Doe".

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The Flood / Re: I'm conflicted on @yesyoureracist
« on: August 15, 2017, 11:55:00 AM »
That doesn't stop people from taking the names from the list of people and posting the rest of the information for everyone to see. The only difference being /pol/ was mutually coordinating the information whereas with this, people can just continue where the guy left off with just names.
True that, but they're not the same here. It's the difference between a news outlet tweeting the name of literally any person, whether a public official, activist, spokesperson or athlete, and someone going beyond that to find and share their phone numbers, addresses, places of work and so on. I agree that people can use this information to find more details and harass these people, but I think Twitter is fair in making the distinction between 1. naming a person in a picture taken of them in a public place and 2. posting all possible (sensitive) personal information of an anonymous person online with the clear (and in the case of /pol/ explicitly named) intent of harassing them.
 
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I don't know much about the rally. What were these people doing? If it was anything like what the guy /pol/ doxxed did like beating people with a bike lock, then yeah they reap what they sew. But if they're just shouting racist nonsense, then you'd be right in saying these two situations are not comparable because the guy /pol/ doxxed was significantly worse.
White supremacist rally that resulted in violence on both sides and saw one of the right extremists drive his car into a crowd of counter-protesters, killing one one of them. And like proper white supremacism / nazism too, not the "all the right wing activists are nazis", but the "chanting nazi slogans, shouting death to antifa, wearing swastikas, donning nazi flags, doing the Hitler salute" kind.

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The Flood / Re: I'm conflicted on @yesyoureracist
« on: August 15, 2017, 10:14:28 AM »
Funny, how two sides fight one another by breaking the ToS of the site, but the one who responded back was censored and punished, while the instigator gets off scott-free and is also getting Patreon payments to continue doing it. If the internet (and the large companies who own swathes of it) want to keep it a place for relatively free discussion, selectively cracking down on people who break the rules isn't the way to go about it.
That seems like a pretty grave simplification of the situation though. I skimmed through almost two months of the @yesyoureracist guy's Twitter and haven't seen a single post of his where he did anything more than name people clearly identifiable in public marches. That's very different from doxxing an anonymous person on the internet and list (as I've seen on /pol/ and their twitter accounts) phone numbers, addresses, facebook accounts, employment details and information of the personal lives of the guy himself, his wife, his parents and his boss. You can't in good faith pretend they're the same and say there's no difference between naming someone on a picture taken in public and leaking all of their information with the clear intent that people harass them.

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Does anyone really believe these people would be allowed to affect the political landscape to that extent?
Yes, because not opposing the opposition is how you lose political power.
I didn't say to not oppose them, just to stop taking them seriously. If a white-nationalist candidate runs for some office then of course, by all means, elect their opposition. These people are a fringe minority. Despite what some people would like to believe, the majority of the right are not actually nazis.
You're gonna have to a bit more specific than just say we should "stop taking them seriously". Their movements appear to be gaining more traction and growing in boldness and numbers. You throw enormous mountains of evidence of climate change at people, and the US now has an open climate change denier as its leader who's withdrawing from CC conventions, repealing environment protection rules, removing government funded evidence from the white house resources and instating a cabinet that opposes climate change measures. You ignore anti-vaxx idiots and shower them with reasons as to why they're wrong on all media and in public demonstrations, and still preventable diseases are making a comeback because the anti-vaxx movement is continuing to grow.

It's easy to say that they just shouldn't be taken seriously and that we should treat them as a joke. But at any given time, there's thousands upon thousands of (often young and impressionable) people who end up watching propaganda youtube videos, seeing misleading political memes, reading downright false posts on Facebook, Twitter and social media groups, or being fed bullshit by others on forums or chats. And every single day, a good number of people seeing this drivel will go "you know what, they have a point". And they turn away from reputable sources in favor of slanted youtube videos and shitty alternative "news" outlets. "My side is 100% right and the only one that knows the truth, while the other is 100% wrong and the enemy that needs to be defeated so things can become better again". They enter an echo chamber and surround themselves with people who will confirm their views and biases, and they will continue to detest and exclude any other viewpoints to the point that the only time they see or hear anything of these other people is when they see clips of masked antifa activists macing "their people" and chanting violent slogans.

It's easy to say that just ignoring the problem is going to make it go away or amount to nothing. That they should just be treated as a joke. But they're a rabbit hole. These people don't start as literal neo-nazis, thinking they're genetically superior and that white is right. It starts small. A misleading facebook post here, some fake news there, the occasional political meme oversimplying an issue and showing how the "others" are morons incapable of grasping common sense... It's a seed that's planted. And then it's watered with a lot of confirmation bias. "Have you heard that this news site made a mistake in an article? Yeah man, fake news, the lot of it. All biased and MSM left wing propaganda. Best stay away from them and stick to reputable sites bringing you the real news, like RadicalConservativeNews.com or BanAllLiberals.blogspot.com". And then they're made to feel like they're under attack and threatened. "Yeah man, we were just protesting peacefully in our combat gear carrying torches, bats, rocks and shields while chanting DEATH TO ANTIFA so we were really not doing anything (this guy who thinks just like us and has been on our team for ages and just drove his car into a crowd wasn't really part of us, just so you know) but then we were maced because we're being censored and everyone hates free speech but us".

And at that point, the propaganda really takes hold. Blatant misrepresentations and poor understanding of statistics lead to them just eating up anything and everything. Jews are controlling the world and are planning to get rid of the white race. Foreigners only want to rape and pillage ("have you even SEEN what happens in SWEDEN AND GERMANY??") and impose sharia law everywhere. Nazism isn't that bad and the holocaust really is just exaggerated (just look at these debunked reports from widely discredited "researchers"). Their marches are innocent because they have titles such as "unity" and "freedom" in them, so there's no harm here. We are the good guys here. They're regressive and want to keep the truth hidden so that they can force anyone to fall in line with their emotions and lies.

There's a lot less moderation and center remaining. It's a lot easier now to get radicalized and learn to hate the other. The most extreme drag the rest down with them on both sides. Fascism doesn't happen overnight. Extremist ideas become increasingly normalized. So people pick sides. And they're not all rabid racists and nazis. But they do slowly side with them. Because they're still "their people" fighting the good fight against "the other". And it's very easy for these impressionable people who are already into the shithole to be told that "nooo, we're not REAL nazis, that's fake news! We just want to protect the white heritage and our conservative rights against the enemy who will subjugate us all if we don't do something soon. That's not unreasonable is it?" It's easy to forget, but I think you underestimate how easy it is for these hateful ideals to slowly take hold under the guise of something else entirely.

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The Flood / Re: how often do you brush your teeth
« on: August 15, 2017, 08:03:53 AM »
Every morning and evening.

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The Flood / Re: I'm conflicted on @yesyoureracist
« on: August 15, 2017, 07:46:30 AM »
I'm not sure if this is really doxxing since they're just random people appearing in a public rally. You walk around in public with thousands of cameras present and don't cover your face, you should expect to potentially be identified.

Biggest issue is that people very often get these things wrong.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/us/charlottesville-doxxing.html

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Serious / Re: Good guy Donny
« on: August 15, 2017, 05:48:07 AM »
Not to defend Trump, but there's a fat little Asian man that was keeping him busy all weekend.
Yeah, fair point, but that didn't stop him from making his original statement and then continuing to incessantly tweet about all sorts of random stuff. This is Donny we're talking about. Dude held an inpromptu staff meeting about military actions in the middle of a restaurant and then tweeted about it right after. I'll give him the NK distraction, but it's not as if he couldn't find the time to condemn white supremacists and neo nazis protesting that resulted in a woman being killed.

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Serious / Good guy Donny
« on: August 14, 2017, 05:46:06 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/14/donald-trump-charlottesville-response-washington

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Donald Trump has bowed to overwhelming pressure and directly condemned the Ku Klux Klan, neo-Nazis and white supremacists, two days after violent clashes left one woman dead.

“Racism is evil,” the US president said at the White House. “And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”

Analysis Trump's failure to condemn Virginia neo-Nazis is shocking but not surprising
The president’s refusal to properly condemn the attack in Charlottesville is consistent with past comments and a divisive campaign that stoked hatred. The explicit remarks came after a storm of criticism – some from prominent figures in his own party – over Trump’s decision not to criticise head-on the white supremacist groups that targeted Charlottesville, Virginia, at the weekend.
Shame that it took him so long, but genuine props to Trump for doing the right thing.

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Gaming / Re: Quakecon 2017
« on: August 14, 2017, 05:38:33 PM »
Good Slash players are so nice to watch.

YouTube

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The Flood / Re: why is paid maternity a thing?
« on: August 14, 2017, 04:46:56 PM »
Is pat leave not a thing in the States?
Yeah but to have it be paid leave is nothing short of rare.
Seriously? Damn dude.

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Gaming / Re: Quakecon 2017
« on: August 14, 2017, 03:41:21 PM »
Toxic is going to Quakecon! Nice.

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Gaming / Re: Street Fighter V - Abigail released
« on: August 14, 2017, 03:41:11 PM »
Goal reached: 6000 LP.

My style is impetuous.



I'm really glad fighter profiles actually show shit now.
Is that any good?
What, my win rate? It could be better, but when you control for things like the hundreds of times you lose while learning new characters (which comes with the territory), I'd say having a positive win rate, albeit a small one, is pretty damn good.
Oh, I thought the LP or rank was something like elo or a  skill-based ranking system.
Oh yeah, LP is basically that. It's a relatively simple system—the number of points you have is associated with a larger skill bracket (Rookie, Bronze, Super Bronze, Ultra Bronze, Silver, etc. etc. all the way up to Master), and online, you only get matched up with players who are at, one step above, or one step below your rank.

6000 is Super Gold, which is pretty okay. I'd rather have 8000 for how long I've been playing, but that still puts me within the top 5-10% of the entire playerbase. Master rank requires 30K, and this is where some of the best players in the world reside. The top-ranked online player right now has 41K.
Nice. Is there no upper limit?

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The Flood / Re: I've done some really sexual freaky shit lately man
« on: August 14, 2017, 02:43:30 PM »
Do people not do period sex?
To be fair, pretty big difference between period sex and dangling around a blood soaked tampon on picture.

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Gaming / Re: Street Fighter V - Abigail released
« on: August 14, 2017, 01:01:05 PM »
Goal reached: 6000 LP.

My style is impetuous.



I'm really glad fighter profiles actually show shit now.
Is that any good?
What, my win rate? It could be better, but when you control for things like the hundreds of times you lose while learning new characters (which comes with the territory), I'd say having a positive win rate, albeit a small one, is pretty damn good.
Oh, I thought the LP or rank was something like elo or a  skill-based ranking system.

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Gaming / Re: Quakecon 2017
« on: August 14, 2017, 11:14:26 AM »
https://www.twitch.tv/justnvc

Tox vs. Vo0 is live.

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The Flood / Re: List of non-autists
« on: August 14, 2017, 08:15:00 AM »
Wow, rude.

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Gaming / Re: Quakecon 2017
« on: August 14, 2017, 06:24:00 AM »
Vo0 vs Toxic tonight. Winner gets to take Agent's spot for Quakecon. Loser will go in the event that Cypher can't make it.

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Gaming / Re: Street Fighter V - Abigail released
« on: August 14, 2017, 05:11:21 AM »
Goal reached: 6000 LP.

My style is impetuous.



I'm really glad fighter profiles actually show shit now.
Is that any good?

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I don't see anything wrong here.
Remember when literally half the world went to war to stop the expansion of a fascist and dictatorial regime bent on exterminating and basically enslaving millions? When almost half a million Americans died to protect things like freedom, equality and democracy? Well, when you go around wearing swastikas, saluting Hitler, chanting nazi slogans and advocating their ideals, you're a despicable piece of shit and yes, you're making yourself look bad.
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They're just expressing their right to free speech, which is a luxury you do not have in Europe.
http://www.nu.nl/terrorisme-in-europa/4237484/extreemrechts-verstoort-protestmars-in-centrum-brussel.html
http://joodsactueel.be/2010/06/06/nog-geen-20-man-op-protestmars/

But these marches do take place and don't result in anyone being arrested. But apparently I don't even have the luxury of the right to free speech. Best go tell Parliament they should take it out of the constitution, fuck me.
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The Alt-Right generally doesn't get together for the soul purpose of looting and beating the shit out of people like Antifa/BLM do, but Soros sure loves getting his goons to infiltrate movements and start shit.
That's tinfoil hat tier stuff.
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If it actually was a genuine radical who ran those people over, then I will condemn him to the end of time.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/james-alex-fields-charlottesville-driver-.html

Turns out he is. Better get your condemnation ready.

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I feel like this is probably a false flag. If I was Mr. Soros and I wanted to make the Alt-Right look bad, I'd go and pay some mook $10,000 to go and cause violence at a peaceful protest while pretending to be a white nationalist.
The hateful morons that make up most of the alt-right already do a splendid job of making themselves look bad.


Wow, look at that! They aren't even bothering him. No, yelling, cursing, getting in his face like Antifa does. Amazing!

Also this pic is from a few months back.
Wow, look at that! "Antifa" and left-wing protesters! They aren't bothering the police. No yelling, cursing, getting in their face. Just staying behind the line they're supposed to stay behind and holding up a flag. Amazing!



Don't be silly now. Both sides have plenty of violent and non-violent people on them.

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The Flood / Re: Thank you, my research is complete.
« on: August 13, 2017, 04:25:11 PM »
What the actual fuck
?
This entire situation seems so bizarre to me. A member of our community turns out to be a lie fabricated by a team of researchers? It's a bit much to process.
But it's BS. You said it yourself.
That was my first reaction, and I'm still sceptical. But if it's real it's a mindfuck.

One can develop trust issues from less.
Let me list the reasons why this is fake.
Actually never mind, because it's so obvious that I'd just be the one trolled in explaining it.

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The Flood / Re: Thank you, my research is complete.
« on: August 13, 2017, 03:40:45 PM »
What the actual fuck
?
This entire situation seems so bizarre to me. A member of our community turns out to be a lie fabricated by a team of researchers? It's a bit much to process.
But it's BS. You said it yourself.
That was my first reaction, and I'm still sceptical. But if it's real it's a mindfuck.

One can develop trust issues from less.
Let me list the reasons why this is fake.

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