Nobody is stealing anything from you unless we're talking about disc locked content.
Games are much more advanced these days, are you kidding me?
It cost me $1 but the regular price these days is $5, and when it was released it was $30. So pretty much half a game for the same rate. Seems fair to me. 8 missions, 4 new multiplayer maps, 2 new game modes and 9 new weapons.
]Where are the publishers supposed to get money from if there's no money to be made from sales?
It may be cheap but it's still a compete car.
You're really not missing out on anything, trust me.
Plenty of people eat pizzas with all the toppings available. Try again.
QuoteIf you don't like pineapple, you don't put it on your pizza. If it's on your pizza, you return it.Then why the hell did you order all the toppings?
If you don't like pineapple, you don't put it on your pizza. If it's on your pizza, you return it.
QuoteIf you don't like a DLC, but you still have it because you bought the GOTY edition, you don't have to access it.wtf? You paid for it anyways this doesn't make any sense.
If you don't like a DLC, but you still have it because you bought the GOTY edition, you don't have to access it.
Nope, extra. It's an addition. An expansion. If a building is expanded, it doesn't mean it wasn't a complete building before, it simply has had an expansion.
It's an expansion added after the fact. How many times do I need to say this?
You just did. You said "all the more reason to not fucking bother" when I said devs don't make a killing on DLC. So you admit they're not greedy.
So, again, why should all this stuff be free? Nobody owes you anything. They worked hard on the DLC, they deserved to be paid.
>less content = better😂
Sorry I don't look at the past through rose tinted glasses. It sure was awesome that my cousin had more content in Sonic Adventure 2 because he had the GameCube version. Content I couldn't access because I had it on the Dreamcast and there was no DLC.
Then you're conflating the two. Paying for DLC isn't tipping. It's paying for the meal.
That's ridiculous. In this modern age where you can find entire playthroughs of a game on YouTube. Come on man.
You're right, I should just hack Microsoft and get the DLC for free. I shouldn't ever have to pay people for things they make and are selling.
Or just don't buy shitty DLC and shit like gun skins.
If you look at any movement ever, extremists almost always end up failing.
Unless it's a shitty game you're getting $60 worth of content.
I have played a ton of games worth that much where I get hundreds of hours of enjoyment.
My main point has always been that DLC in and of itself is not a bad thing.
You can know. Just look up gameplay and ask people.
You get full games. Acting like you're entitled to extra content the developers make after the game is finished, and that it should be free, is ridiculous.
There's no difference. Being against disc-locked content doesn't make sense if you're not going to be against all DLC. It would've been regular-ass downloadable content anyway if it weren't locked to the disc, so what difference does it really make? It's all cancer, you can't pick and choose what you like.
They're not, not in any impressive ways anymore. Knowing you, you only care about graphics or some shit. Graphics stopped being impressive a long time ago, and I'll go back to the 8-bit era for all I care about graphics. There's more to games than just that.
Only if the missions are the only thing that has any value to you about the game, and nothing else. Which is foolish. That game isn't worth $60, maybe $25 at best. You were stolen from.
If they're a good publisher, they won't have to worry about that.
Stupid, foolish, mental midgetYour IQ is double digit
Also, no it isn't. It's a completely functioning car, but that doesn't mean anything. How much did you pay for it? Cars vary in terms of price, especially from dealer to dealer, and that's why they aren't comparable to video games. Because the market says they're all worth the same price (and therefore, have the same amount of value in content). Which is retarded.
I don't care. It could be the fucking shittiest and most disappointing DLC ever, and I won't care. I don't play games to have fun, I play them to experience art—and if some aspects of it are locked out, I'm not getting a complete picture of the painting, and I have every fucking right to be pissed off about it.How would you like it if you visited the Louvre, but when you got to the Mona Lisa, you noticed they covered it up with a curtain. Your tour guide tells you that you aren't worthy to gaze upon this painting unless you pay an extra fee—you've already paid to visit this museum, and now you're being obliged to pay extra to see one more painting. Maybe not even the Mona Lisa—one entire section of the museum is sequestered off, and you only have access to it if you pay.Would that be okay with you?
No, they don't. Nobody. Maybe you do, because you're gross and fat or something, but no normal person does this.
uhhhhI didn't. Read that sentence again.
It makes perfect sense, and I have no idea what you're even struggling with. What I'm saying isn't hard.
That building wasn't completed before.You can't add to something if it's already finished. That's what the fucking word means. If you honestly expect to change my mind on this, you never ever will, so you might as well give up the ghost now if you SERIOUSLY think that you can change the definition of words that brutally. I get accused of doing the same thing, but never to that extent.
You can say it 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0000,000,000,000,000 more times, and it still won't make it a reality. I don't care if it's added after the fact. It's an unacceptable practice that should never be done.
No game is worth $60,
so the fact that anyone should be expected to pay MORE than $60 for a complete game experience when most games aren't worth $30 is completely asinine, and what you're basically doing here is saying consumers should be relentlessly fucked for every nickle and dime they can swallow. And I'm supposed to agree with you. I'm supposed to love DLC and think it's this great thing.
Just because you don't make a lot of money doing something doesn't mean you can't be greedy. What kind of retarded shit is that?
Nobody owes ME anything, not personally.Every single player is owed the DLC, though, if they already paid full price for the game. It's not just about me.In fact, I'll take the fall for my cause—all DLC should be free for EVERYONE except for me. I'll vow to pay for every DLC from this point on if it means that everyone can have it for free tomorrow. Now you can't play this retarded "you're so entitled" game, as if being entitled is at all a bad thing. It's GOOD to be entitled.But no, they do deserve to be paid. For the base game. Which I did already.
Yes. Less content = less money being extorted = objectively better. Yes.
Whatever, that game is booboo buttcheeks anyway.
LMAONo, paying for the base game is paying for the meal. DLC is like having to pay for refills.
It's not the same, I have to play it for myself. It's not like a movie, where I can see a clip and see if it looks interesting to me. Games are interactive, and if I can't interact with it, then I don't really know what the game is like.Most of my favorite games probably looked uninteresting as fuck to me when I first saw gameplay of them. It was only until I played it for myself that I realized how awesome they actually were.
It's all shit. If you're saying I can judge it all without playing it myself, then I'm judging it by not playing it myself.It's all shit, and you're all fucking stupid for buying into it.
They fail, but they succeed in spreading the meme. The game isn't to succeed, that would be a waste of life. There are better hills to die on.
And 90% of games are shitty.The 10% of games that aren't shitty don't have $60 worth of content, either. Maybe $50 tops.Then there's the magic 0.001% of games that really are worth $60, or above and beyond that.You can't base the industry on outliers like this.
That's because you're not a discerning consumer, and you're not interested in games as an art form. You're just in it to have fun. You're the consumer that the industry wants.
If it were all free, I'd agree with you.
Do you really think I can trust anyone's fucking shit-ass opinions on fucking anything? You serious?
I am entitled to extra content, because without it, I'm not getting a full game.
This is why I said don't bother to argue with me on this. I haven't budged an inch, and I'm only ever going to double down on this. I know I'm right, I know everyone else is wrong. Nothing will change. You're wasting your time and fucking up my thread.
But fine, I'll drop it.
Because disc locked content is a scam. Normal DLC isn't.
Except you don't know me at all, I don't really care about graphics. I'm talking about how games play. How ARMA 3 for example has incredible real life shit in it.
It's foolish to care about more missions? Lmao did you hit your head? I bought it for a dollar. If anything I feel like I robbed them.
Because good people just get money for free?😂👌
>comparing a typo to writing "most biggest"English scholar status revoked
I bought MW2 on launch week for $10 less than everywhere else, so there goes another flimsy argument of yours.
Terrible analogy. You paid in advance knowing the Mona Lisa is in there, and then you come to find out it's blocked. Not at all like buying DLC 3 months after playing the game.
hahaha, tons of people do this. I personally think it's gross too but I'm not gonna sit here and deny facts of life because they'd make my argument look bad. That'd just be childish.
It still doesn't make sense. If the pineapple is DLC, and the game is pizza, where in this equation does returning the DLC come into play? And why does it matter?
Why would you be displeased with having all the DLC?
Buildings can be finished and then have something added to them afterwards. The original building was completed, then 10 years later they add an elevator. What are you not understanding about this?
In your opinion.
So let me get this straight. I sell you a burger, you buy it and eat it. I then say that there are also fries for sale 5 minutes later, because the potatoes just arrived. Fries are sold separately either way and I couldn't have sold it to you with your burger because the guy that delivers potatoes was late. The potatoes cost me money, the oil I fry them in costs money, the man hours, the electricity, and so on. If I were to just give fries away I'd lose a lot of money. If I were stop offering fries completely, I'd lose business to my competitors.
You, and anybody that thinks like you, are wrong. You are not entitled to anything. Nobody is.
You clearly have no idea what extortion means.
Well you clearly lost the argument right here. You have no rebuttal, and you know I'm right. Whether you like the game or not doesn't refute my argument that DLC is a good way for developers to offer more content they might not be able to fit on the disc or that they just didn't have time to make or finalize. There is such a thing as having a deadline.
How is DLC a refill, when you never had the drink?
Well this is just bullshit. There's a reason gameplay videos and reviews exist and have so many views. It's because people can make up their minds (more or less) if the game is for them.
Yet you oppose piracy and modding.
Except that's factually untrue, because there is good DLC that adds hours of content and shitty microtransactions or $15 map packs.
what succeed means, to spread the word and be viewed positively. If you just look like an angry entitled brat, you're not really gonna rally people to your cause and it's gonna be really easy to dismiss you. Like I'm doing right now.
Wow, how far up your ass did you have to reach to pull out these numbers?
"EVERYBODY IS AN IDIOT EXCEPT FOR ME"
You fucked up your own thread, and you have horrible arguments to support your point. Most anti DLC people just take this angle of microtransactions and a few bad practices by greedy publishers then paint the whole industry as evil. I was hoping your point of view would be a little more intelligent than this.
It really makes no difference to me whether or not you buy DLC, but you'll be missing out on a lot of good content.
Struck down two more bosses—no points for guessing which ones. Boss video soon.Hint: I'm not going to be fighting Gwyndolin, as I have no intention of betraying my covenant.
Quote from: Verbatim on July 08, 2018, 03:57:19 AMStruck down two more bosses—no points for guessing which ones. Boss video soon.Hint: I'm not going to be fighting Gwyndolin, as I have no intention of betraying my covenant.It's all a lie verbatim
Hint: I'm not going to be fighting Gwyndolin, as I have no intention of betraying my covenant.
You're not getting the last word, though
Yes it is, there's no difference.
Then you would know that games, especially in the triple A industry, haven't innovated shit for the past twelve years. Except for Nintendo.
I don't care if you bought it for a dollar, you said it was $30 originally. That's theft.
I probably typed "the most the envelope has ever been pushed," thought that sounded too awkward, rephrased it to "the biggest envelope pushers," but forgot to delete the "most." It happens, even to the biggest English scholars such as myself.
No, there it doesn't go. You said "everywhere else," which implies it was $10 more everywhere else, which implies that you got some kind of deal. A deviation from the standard price, or who knows, they didn't realize it was supposed to be priced at $60. So nope.
So ticket prices to museums should skyrocket the instant more exhibits are added, is what you're saying.
It's still not the norm, therefore it doesn't matter.
It doesn't, because you can't return DLC. That's what I'm saying. Pizza and DLC are different things. You can return a pizza, you can't return DLC. Among one hundred trillion other differences that make it a stupid comparison.
You wouldn't. I never said that. Everyone obviously would enjoy having access to all the DLC, but not everyone is going to enjoy all the DLC itself. So if you're not interested, you don't have to take advantage of it. That's why the comparison doesn't work.With a GOTY edition, you have the option to access the DLC that you want, despite having all of it. With a pizza that has everything you don't want on it, the pizza is ruined. Shit comparison, never make comparisons again.
The original building wasn't really completed if they added something ten years later. There's nothing I'm not understanding, this is basic logic.
In the opinion of a discerning consumer.
A game isn't a burger, it's a meal. A meal comes with that burger, the fries, and a drink. If any of these things are missing, you just fucked me out of my money, because I paid for a meal.
DLC coming out months after the fact doesn't make a difference, it's just saying "we forgot your fries sorry" three months late, and saying I have to pay for it. Oops, we forgot that we're not morally supposed to add more shit to my bill after I've already paid for everything.
Yes they are.
I know exactly what it means, and DLC fits the definition quite perfectly.
Except I didn't lose, I did give you a rebuttal, and I know you're wrong. I don't give a fuck about whatever plight the developers go through, at all whatsoever. I don't care. I care about the consumer only.
I paid for the drink. If I didn't get one, then you're agreeing with me. Thanks.
If you're a small brained consumer who doesn't care about art and only wants to be entertained. Much of the value of the best games ever can't be fully appreciated unless you experience them yourself. It's just a fact.I will play any game, I don't care if I'm interested in it from a cursory glance. I want to play everything, but not if I have to pay an arm and a leg to get the full experience. And in this industry, I never will. Because of people like you, who think DLC is okay. It's not.
Because modding is the active destruction of art, so obviously I'm going to fucking hate mods. More than DLC, in fact. At least DLC is official content. An artist pissing on his own art is a million times less offensive than consumers pissing on art. Fuck anyone who thinks they have control over anyone else's art.
And maybe I should start supporting piracy, but ONLY for games that have DLC.If the game doesn't have DLC, it's not okay to pirate it. That game was made by someone with integrity.
Hours isn't enough. I want literal days worth of the HIGHEST quality content, or make a new game all together.
Being an angry, entitled brat is the only proper state of being. You're living your life incorrectly.
Not far at all because Sturgeon's law is a commonly accepted truism.
Now you're getting it
And it ended up being 10x more intelligent, sorry to disappoint you.
This is what I'm saying. The fact that I'm PRESSURED into buying this stupid shit is part of the problem.How can I be MISSING OUT on "good content" if I already have the complete game, according to you? That makes no fucking sense.
Neither are you. You've already lost this argument.
The difference is one is locked on the disc and the other is legitimate extra content.
Yes, the exact same Mario games over and over are really innovative. Physics in games haven't been improved at all. What a joke lmao.
Except it isn't. It's exactly what you said, enough content to justify almost a whole new game sold for half the price of a new game. It's how ODST should've been priced.
Or, you know, I meant everywhere else I had checked locally in my area. Or how Amazon also routinely sells games for cheaper than retailers. It's never $60 across the board. If you're legit still paying $60 for a new game, you're getting shafted.
This is a bad analogy because museums are generally cheap or even free, as "art belongs to the people". Games are art, too, but you don't just look at them hanging on a wall. It's something you play, it's a product.
It's normal enough to be included in any conversation about pizza.
In any case, maybe refunds should be added for DLC in the way Steam does it.
This is your own personal opinion, though. Because there are plenty of people who enjoy all toppings.
So a building built before the advent of elevators isn't complete even though it's literally complete and construction is finished. Right.
But you're not really a consumer. You just want free shit.
You realize a full meal costs more than just a single burger, right?
If a burger costs $1 fries and a drink would cost more. You don't just get fries and drink for the price of one burger.
Because I'm talking my plight as a 7 year old consumer seeing my cousin have more content than me in a game we both have, and me being unable to ever get the content unless I buy a GameCube and SA2B. DLC would've remedied the problem and been much cheaper. That highly benefits the consumer.
You didn't, though. $60 covers just the base game.
You're not entitled to try every game in existence if you can't afford to. That's just life.
Pirating games is trash, these people barely make that much money as it is.
It's the worst way to live. People who think society owes them something are the worst.
Butthurt law doesn't apply to everything, and you only accept it because you're under the impression everything sucks and developers owe you free games.
A man who is never taken seriously.
You've just been throwing a temper tantrum.
Because it's extra content that is good.
Just a boring uninteresting fight tbh, there's no sigh of relief after like some of the harder fights. Shit's just mad irritating. Also you keep referring to the bed as him.
but falling into it and dying like i did is almost better, because it gets you out of that situation, and the orb stays broken
Quote from: Batch on June 05, 2016, 08:54:33 AMQuote from: Big Boss on June 05, 2016, 08:11:59 AMAlso, that ramp you ran up with the illusory walls, was it the one inside the giant tree? It's worth searching around there.Its about as enjoyable as clawing your own eyes outheavy riskBut the priiize
Quote from: Big Boss on June 05, 2016, 08:11:59 AMAlso, that ramp you ran up with the illusory walls, was it the one inside the giant tree? It's worth searching around there.Its about as enjoyable as clawing your own eyes out
Also, that ramp you ran up with the illusory walls, was it the one inside the giant tree? It's worth searching around there.
Quote from: Lady on June 05, 2016, 09:24:02 AMQuote from: Batch on June 05, 2016, 08:54:33 AMQuote from: Big Boss on June 05, 2016, 08:11:59 AMAlso, that ramp you ran up with the illusory walls, was it the one inside the giant tree? It's worth searching around there.Its about as enjoyable as clawing your own eyes outheavy riskBut the priiizesoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo...what "prize" were you referring to here, exactly?
If its the Tree of Ash then at the bottom is an endless lake with 2 hydras.....really pretty area actually.Forget the items down there. But at the very end of the path you follow you find a huge dead dragon, you can pray to it and join a covenant.
Quote from: Batch on July 12, 2018, 10:31:39 AMIf its the Tree of Ash then at the bottom is an endless lake with 2 hydras.....really pretty area actually.Forget the items down there. But at the very end of the path you follow you find a huge dead dragon, you can pray to it and join a covenant.i only asked because i already did all thisi was just a little massively disappointed, because i had a seed planted in my head for two years that i'd find something really cool here, and of course, i didn't
Quote from: Dietrich Six on July 12, 2018, 06:37:38 AMJust a boring uninteresting fight tbh, there's no sigh of relief after like some of the harder fights. Shit's just mad irritating. Also you keep referring to the bed as him.the only other visually reasonable option is "it"
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I was gonna leave Priscilla alone but then I killed her to see what she would drop. I think you can make a weapon out of her soul.
Oh, during all of that stuff, I naturally decided to upgrade all my shit as much as I reasonably could, revisiting every blacksmith to do so—I won't be grinding for Chunks or Slabs, though.There was something I noticed when revisiting the Undead Parish, though, that I thought was pretty cool—a new item appeared in the same spot on the altar where I found (and dimwittedly consumed) my first Firekeeper Soul. It was a bunch of Humanity, maybe 5 or 7, bunched up with a regular Pendant—the same Pendant that has no effect that you can take as your starting gift. I just found it here.I don't know why, but I thought it was amusing.
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