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Fuck police.

I have never ever had a positive interaction with a cop. In the city, I see police cars driving around and I suppose that is good as a deterrent for violent crime. I've never been pulled over by one in the city and they're really just kinda there in the background.

But I'm also super pale white and I've seen how they respond to black people doing anything remotely "bad" like protesting. Cops kill a lot of black people, man.

And then I go back to my home-town, which is the county seat, and see a place flooded with state, city, and county police with nothing better to do than setup speed traps and siphon money away from normal people who may have been going like 5-over the speed limit. I HAVE been pulled over by these types of cops and they are full of it, man. They want you to obey ANYTHING they say and they really do think they have the right to search you, your car, whatever, on a whim.

These pieces of shit are let loose on communities with barely any legal training and a license to kill. They absolutely need to be defunded and let that money go toward programs and professionals who know how to deal with poor and desperate people without shooting or arresting them.

And yeah, all lives matter, but police happen to be killing black and brown people like crazy. Like seriously dude, these people are legitimately executing people on video now and nothing is being done -- they're immune. Just because black people decide to burn down a 7-11, doesn't mean police should fucking shoot them. Yeah, arrest them. Duh. But you can't honestly tell me someone's property that is insured is more valuable than a life. That's how you GET riots, you idiot. People get pissed off that their family members and friends keep getting killed.

I don't wanna be put on a watch list or anything for saying this, and please know I don't advocate violence, but I absolutely understand why people are starting to burn shit down. It's the only way anything gets done. Rich people don't give a shit until their property starts being destroyed.

You're a fucking moron and are on the wrong side of history if you honestly believe police are the good guys here and the protestors are the bad guys.

/rant. Also we should 1v1 on Halo,

I guess this really depends on the community you grew up in. I haven't really had an issue with the police in my neck of the woods. You know that's all fine and dandy if you are going to protest because the police in your area sucks and you want shit changed, but what I have a problem with is when these people decide to terrorize innocent people that haven't done anything wrong. People that have worked really hard in life to get to where they are.

If you seriously believe that every single white person deserves to get terrorized, you have some serious issues. And I'm on the wrong side of history? Are you sure about that? I hope you're armed then should these people decide to come to your neighborhood and break into your house.

And you know man, I'm sorry that you never had a positive interaction with a cop, because there seriously are good ones out there, and yes there are bad ones too. They are after all people.

I just don't see how any of this shit is fair to someone who hasn't done anything to these people, and I DON'T think people should have a free pass to loot and steal from others. Not everyone that has a decent living is rich, especially when they have worked so hard to get far in life. Not every small business owner has millions of dollars, most are middle class with bills to pay and other expenses, heck because of the whole crap with covid many small businesses are barely able to survive now, and the riots completely fucked up their chances of staying open especially if they got destroyed and looted. Mega corporations I get it, they have insurance, but small business? All in the name of Fuck The Police? Tell me how that's right. Tell me how that's okay because that makes zero fucking sense. Again, not all cops are good, I agree with that and not all are bad either. This whole thing right now is a grey area, it always has been, but you need help if you honestly believe that Antifa and BLM's actions are 100% justified. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Also no. I read your comment. We already 1v1'd in the past. Not happening again.

You are judging the protestors by their worst, but are judging the police by their best. Do you not see the cognitive dissonance here?

The difference is that we give police extraordinary powers to protect and serve. If firefighters or airline pilots killed as many people as police do, I bet you’d have a serious fucking problem with it.

And you're judging the "protestors" by their best, but are judging the police by their worst. I already explained that this is a grey area. You know what the difference is with police and all of those other professions? Police have to deal with scum of the earth in their job, because not every single person that they stop or deal with is law abiding. And as I have been saying, yes there are those that abuse their authority, and those particular people will get what's coming to them, but what about those that have a fucking family and actually have done good in the community? What about when they get gunned down by some fuck nut and their kid doesn't have daddy (or mommy) in their life anymore?

I agree with you on the following, the police ARE suppose to protect and serve, the corrupt ones should be tried and sentenced, but I ask you. What will defunding the police and abolishing them achieve? What are you going to replace them with? You can't replace them with nothing because if you do, crime is going to skyrocket. Never underestimate human nature.

What's happening right now is very far from a protest to call these people protesters. If CNN is your source by any means then I really feel sorry for you. They're a joke of a new organization after they reported that the "protesters are mostly peaceful" despite all the carnage and fire in the background.

Deci, what do you think defunding the police means?

The root word of Defund is to take funds away, cut their pay, their salary. If you want the definition of defund, prevent from continuing to receive funds.

Defunding the police should mean to cut their pay, but its going far enough to cut their jobs entirely. The collective left wants the police abolished.

...no. We want to replace SOME of the police with social workers and programs to help take care of non-violent stuff. The same way police don’t take care of 911 calls for fires, we want to shuffle around funds so we don’t have unstable, hostile, armed cops responding to wellness checks, getting spooked, and executing a 9 year old.

See but that's not want BLM wants. BLM wants the police abolished, there haven't been any actual protests or anything of the sort because it doesn't fit their political agenda.

Also BLM doesn't even care for black people.

No. Some individuals want the police abolished. I am one of them.

But I’ll settle for defunding them.

Okay, say the police are 100% abolished and gone from the country. Now what? What are you going to do when shit hits the fan?

When has a cop ever helped you? My only interactions with them are when they pull me over to ticket me or after a fender bender. They are no help when “shit hits the fan” in most cases. You’re thinking of paramedics or fire fighters.

I’m pro gun. I have one as a last resort because I’m not naive, but what makes you think a cop is going to save you if some maniac breaks into your house?

Then this really is varied based on our communities, because (probably doesn't count) I've had a cop that was there to watch over the middle school students when security wasn't enough help me out in middle school when I was getting picked on and the shit beaten out of by other kids.

Again that probably doesn't count because I wasn't an adult back then. She was nice at least, when I think of good cops I think of people like her.

I've also been stopped by a cop just from walking home since he was watching the area, and that's because someone matched my description committed a robbery in that neighborhood. I was expecting to get arrested tbh. He asked where I was headed, checked my I.D, and let me go. I told him "Sorry for any trouble" and his reply was "Just doing my job."

This was back in 2012 so shit was different back then compared to now. I honestly think this varies on our communities. I'm sorry that the cops in your community sucks, I really am. I'm sorry that you never had a good experience with them and they've always fucked you over.

In my case I technically live in a bubble because of how the community I live in is currently managed. That isn't to say shit can't change overnight, because it can, but it hasn't happened, that also doesn't mean that there aren't corrupt cops in my community. There very well are and even one of the DA's have been arrested by the FBI. I just haven't met any of them.

Deci you literally tried to argue a point by inventing a hypothetical situation what are you doing right now

Yeah I did that so I can get Cheat to try and understand why sometimes the police are forced to shoot and kill people, especially if that person is armed with a gun and aimed right at them, because it does happen.

Some even do it because they want to die, ever heard of suicide by cop?

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Quote from: Cheat on September 06, 2020, 01:54:46 PM

I mean you can come up with these scenarios all you want and it's not going to change anything. Obviously if it's my life or someone else's I'm going to choose to live; I'm human that way. I have no clue how I'd react in that scenario, really. But I also have no need to be a cop. A cop KNOWS what that job entails and so it's really on them to be OK with the risk. Don't want to maybe get shot? Don't be a cop.

But really, that situation is waaaay different from what you were originally talking about. If a person's life is on the line, that's one thing, but you were talking about businesses burning. It's just stuff.

And yeah, black cops also suck. And I get that not all cops kill people. The problem is a LOT of them fucking DO kill people, and nothing is being done about it. I am talking ZERO accountability. It's looking more and more like we can't really trust cops to investigate themselves fairly so IDK what to even do but defund them and take away some of their power.

Go look at other countries, Deci. Even when criminals come at the cops with knives, they don't resort to SHOOTING them. It's a really big problem and if it can't be sorted out internally, then the system as it is has to go. Sorry if you have cop friends. Maybe tell them to have their coworkers stop executing minorities?

This is why we are not cops, but you also need to see where they are coming from as well, at least the ones that DON'T execute minorities, because not all of them do. I agree that its a big problem in America and it has been for a long time, but I really don't see how the riots are going to make this any better.

Also, regarding what you said about "businesses burning. It's just stuff."

Remember that well should you ever decide to start a small business one day and your stuff gets stolen and your store is destroyed. In fact, keep that in mind if someone or a group of people break into your house and destroy your stuff, including your computer, or they steal your stuff and personal information.

Yes, stuff can be replaced, but your personal information and identity is a very hard thing to get back if it ever falls into the wrong hands.

If the masses of police are as corrupt as you are saying, then society itself with everything going on right now isn't going to last very long.

We're going in circles now.

Only thing I'l comment on is that the protests (they're not fucking riots in MOST cases, dude) are the result of generations of cops killing people and nothing being done. We've tried prosecuting them. We've tried posting stuff on social media and shaming the police who did the killings.

What did you think was gonna happen? It's just happening NOW because COVID happened to knock a bunch of people out of work at the same time another cop publicly executed someone. This was kinda inevitable. What's that overly repeated quote about when you make peaceful resolution impossible you make violent revolution inevitable?

This is just the system correcting itself. IDK how it'll play out, but people aren't going to just let cops keep getting away with this forever.

Then with that said Cheat, I hope that we both make it out of this insanity alive.

No live matter bro so blue lives can catch these green tips

Quote from: Zonda on September 06, 2020, 01:58:06 PM

Deci you literally tried to argue a point by inventing a hypothetical situation what are you doing right now

Yeah I did that so I can get Cheat to try and understand why sometimes the police are forced to shoot and kill people, especially if that person is armed with a gun and aimed right at them, because it does happen.

Some even do it because they want to die, ever heard of suicide by cop?

Gonna need you to think about what you just said there, chief.

If you have to invent a scenario to prove a point then the point you’re trying to prove has absolutely zero substantial foundation.

hey guys vaccinations are bad.

Imagine hypothetically the doctor made a mistake and injected you with spicy hot sauce instead of the intended vaccine.

See? I told you they were bad based on this figment of my imagination

damn bro I wanna mainline some fuckin sriracha alright lets do this

Be nice if I could read the posts instead of blacklist posts but alright. Complicated subject with a lot of complicated angles. The one I hardly ever notice being brought up is how a police force is largely reflective of the society they police(minus the dickwads power tripping). I've seen most of the cities in Canada and lived in them for long spans of time. The rougher the people in the city, the rougher the cops. Come out to the country and you see laid back cops(minus power trippers again).

I don't think those riots are helping though. America has mastered outrage culture to a tee. Months ago it was george floyd until it fell into silence. Couple weeks ago it was some other dude. If the issue falls to silence then clearly the present tactics used to inspire change aren't working and people just get upset for a bit, rock the boat, then stop, rinse and repeat. The problem with the cops in the states is as much an enforced rules and regulations problem as it is a dysfunctional society. The onus lies on both groups to smarten the fuck up.

Quote from: E on September 21, 2020, 01:00:06 PM

Be nice if I could read the posts instead of blacklist posts but alright.

He'll come back in a couple months and beg for his account to be unbanned as is tradition. You'll be able to read all the hogwash he posts then.

I won't have access to a computer in two months unless I haul my rig to a tim hortons or some shit so I guess I'll have to wait eight months. Good thing my memory won't persist long enough for those posts to be relevant. Noice.

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Be nice if I could read the posts instead of blacklist posts but alright.

He'll come back in a couple months and beg for his account to be unbanned as is tradition. You'll be able to read all the hogwash he posts then.

I won't have access to a computer in two months unless I haul my rig to a tim hortons or some shit so I guess I'll have to wait eight months. Good thing my memory won't persist long enough for those posts to be relevant. Noice.

Will you be posting on your phone

My camper will be too cold to shitpost on either device(not that my phone could since it's a dino flip phone). Anything below zero and my phone's battery drains to zero within a couple minutes and it won't charge until warmed up. My time here is subject to the ass fuckery of father winter.

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Quote from: E on September 21, 2020, 01:00:06 PM

Be nice if I could read the posts instead of blacklist posts but alright.

He'll come back in a couple months and beg for his account to be unbanned as is tradition. You'll be able to read all the hogwash he posts then.

I won't have access to a computer in two months unless I haul my rig to a tim hortons or some shit so I guess I'll have to wait eight months. Good thing my memory won't persist long enough for those posts to be relevant. Noice.

Will you be posting on your phone

My camper will be too cold to shitpost on either device(not that my phone could since it's a dino flip phone). Anything below zero and my phone's battery drains to zero within a couple minutes and it won't charge until warmed up. My time here is subject to the ass fuckery of father winter.

Damn that's rough
Get some thick ass blankets and stay warm

It'll be fine. Camper's got an electric heater and I've got the propane stove if I feel like committing suicide via suffocation in my sleep, so it's all good. It beats the years I spent winters in a tent by about ten thousand percent.

This is a bad take. All lives do matter but they're not all treated equally. Some face systemic inequalities that others don't, hence why they're highlighted in particular. Saying "all lives matter" is like complaining that people only commemorate the WTC on 9/11 because "all buildings matter". They sure do, but those other ones didn't have a plane fly into them.

I logged back in just to say ACAB

Every time I look at this thread I always misread the title as "All livers matter"

They may take our livers, but they'll never take... OUR FIREBALL!!!