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« Last post by Jono on November 08, 2024, 06:05:55 PM »
The entire Central Valley (besides Sacramento) being Red in the 2024 election is shocking to me. Usually its just Kern, Tulare, and Kings counties that are known for being Republican. The further north you go, the more Democrat pro counties you encounter. Would never expect shitholes like Fresno, Manteca, Merced, and Stockton to flip.
it shocked me to learn that my home county, san bernardino, voted red. i checked the standings on tuesday night, and saw that it was very close, i think harris was only leading with, like, 52% or something, so i thought to myself dang that's closer than i imagined
next day it was red by a large margin and i was like what in the world
i talked to about it with a friend (who's a bit more into politics than i am) and he was like yeah SB is more red than you think
it genuinely baffled me
I think part of it has to do with people from LA and other areas where the cost of living is insanely high. They're tired of the same old policies and move somewhere else when nothing changes. That's why Nevada and Arizona were important swing states because of all the California transplants.
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« Last post by alphy on November 08, 2024, 02:28:31 PM »
The entire Central Valley (besides Sacramento) being Red in the 2024 election is shocking to me. Usually its just Kern, Tulare, and Kings counties that are known for being Republican. The further north you go, the more Democrat pro counties you encounter. Would never expect shitholes like Fresno, Manteca, Merced, and Stockton to flip.
it shocked me to learn that my home county, san bernardino, voted red. i checked the standings on tuesday night, and saw that it was very close, i think harris was only leading with, like, 52% or something, so i thought to myself dang that's closer than i imagined next day it was red by a large margin and i was like what in the world i talked to about it with a friend (who's a bit more into politics than i am) and he was like yeah SB is more red than you think it genuinely baffled me
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« Last post by Jono on November 07, 2024, 06:11:09 PM »
The entire Central Valley (besides Sacramento) being Red in the 2024 election is shocking to me. Usually its just Kern, Tulare, and Kings counties that are known for being Republican. The further north you go, the more Democrat pro counties you encounter. Would never expect shitholes like Fresno, Manteca, Merced, and Stockton to flip.
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« Last post by E on November 06, 2024, 09:23:10 PM »
There was no winning move to make anyway considering we're about 12 years out from the beginning of mass resource collapse and nobody anywhere wants to acknowledge that. But I don't imagine trump'll make things any easier.
I find it hard to believe such a conman ever could have a voter base to begin with, but that's only because I'm forgetting the rule. People are stupid, and you can't underestimate that or foolproof anything against it.
I guess the only upside here is that the US will probably get an acceleration to chaos, which means the faster shit burns down the sooner the cycle will start all over again.
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« Last post by Mordo on November 06, 2024, 04:04:36 PM »
Alright, the dust has largely settled, post mortem time on why it went wrong for Kamala:
>The vast majority of exit polls are indicating this was about the economy. Whether you can attribute that to the Biden administration or the post pandemic recovery period is utterly irrelevant to the average voter. It happened under Biden's watch. Voters associated Kamala as the continuity candidate for the current state of economic affairs. She was doomed from the start. The Trump team nailed it on the head by hammering home the simple question of; are you better off now or when I was in charge?
>She lost the POC voting bloc, particularly with males. Latino and black men abandoned her in the droves. I think this is largely down to her west coast elite upbringing just not resonating with POC men. It also doesn't help that she was the Attorney General of California, and if I'm not mistaken, locked a lot of POC men up during her tenure. Not a great image for securing POC votes.
Just genuinely a horrendous pick from the Democrats in hindsight. I'm starting to think she might actually be worse than Hillary.
Of course she was worse than Hillary—let's not forget she was an "also ran" in 2020. She was never considered a serious candidate for anything; when Biden stepped down and the DNC didn't hold a primary, it had the same energy of crossing their fingers and hoping things would just work out.
>She relied to heavily on vibes and not enough on policy. In retrospect I really think we should have been sounding the alarm bells as her short lived campaign went on. Seriously, I never once heard of a policy position or a concrete step by step plan on how she was going to fix the economy or deal with Gaza if she was to take over. She really just thought coconut memes and brat girl summer tik tok edits were gonna win her the white house. This is untrue, however. Kamala had several policy positions which she discussed frequently, such as
- Expanding the child tax credit, and wanting to cut taxes for middle class families in general
- Providing first time home buyers with $25K to help with down payments
- ACA expansion
- She wanted to stop price fixing by landlords
- Protecting and strengthening Medicare and Social Security
- Restoring Roe v Wade
...among others.
You can criticize these policy positions by saying she didn't have a concrete step-by-step plan—but I would argue this is totally irrelevant and wouldn't have made a difference. I think you nailed it on your first and third bullet points. She was doomed from the start. The MAGA cult is literally just too big now, and I genuinely believe that we were going to lose no matter what. But she DID discuss policy and she had several of them, especially compared to Trump who had tariffs, and uh.... uh.... uh.... wanting to glass Palestine?... Wanting to kill minorities?... Trump was the one who lacked policies, but policy literally doesn't matter anymore.
The most salient observation you can make, I think, is that she was a generally lame and uncharismatic woman running against an extremely charismatic cult leader in an increasingly racist and misogynistic country where being a liberal is seen as being soft and weak and uncool. The democrats have utterly forgotten the concept of charisma—they don't know how to be inspiring anymore. Trump knows how to inspire people with sub 100 IQs, and that's how you win. In this country, that has proven to be an unbeatable strategy.
Yeah perhaps I should have rephrased "policy" with "messaging". I don't doubt she had cogent policies that would have actually benefitted the American people but she just never hammered them home. Winning in politics is 50% policy and 50% brand image it seems. And yeah, in fairness to her, she literally only had two months to run a campaign, but what you've just listed is the first I'm hearing of most of those policies. Go back to 2020 Biden and he couldn't stop bellowing his actions plan from the rooftops. Her communication strategy was just plain bad.
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« Last post by Verbatim on November 06, 2024, 03:47:45 PM »
Alright, the dust has largely settled, post mortem time on why it went wrong for Kamala:
>The vast majority of exit polls are indicating this was about the economy. Whether you can attribute that to the Biden administration or the post pandemic recovery period is utterly irrelevant to the average voter. It happened under Biden's watch. Voters associated Kamala as the continuity candidate for the current state of economic affairs. She was doomed from the start. The Trump team nailed it on the head by hammering home the simple question of; are you better off now or when I was in charge?
>She lost the POC voting bloc, particularly with males. Latino and black men abandoned her in the droves. I think this is largely down to her west coast elite upbringing just not resonating with POC men. It also doesn't help that she was the Attorney General of California, and if I'm not mistaken, locked a lot of POC men up during her tenure. Not a great image for securing POC votes.
Just genuinely a horrendous pick from the Democrats in hindsight. I'm starting to think she might actually be worse than Hillary.
Of course she was worse than Hillary—let's not forget she was an "also ran" in 2020. She was never considered a serious candidate for anything; when Biden stepped down and the DNC didn't hold a primary, it had the same energy of crossing their fingers and hoping things would just work out. >She relied to heavily on vibes and not enough on policy. In retrospect I really think we should have been sounding the alarm bells as her short lived campaign went on. Seriously, I never once heard of a policy position or a concrete step by step plan on how she was going to fix the economy or deal with Gaza if she was to take over. She really just thought coconut memes and brat girl summer tik tok edits were gonna win her the white house. This is untrue, however. Kamala had several policy positions which she discussed frequently, such as - Expanding the child tax credit, and wanting to cut taxes for middle class families in general
- Providing first time home buyers with $25K to help with down payments
- ACA expansion
- She wanted to stop price fixing by landlords
- Protecting and strengthening Medicare and Social Security
- Restoring Roe v Wade
...among others. You can criticize these policy positions by saying she didn't have a concrete step-by-step plan—but I would argue this is totally irrelevant and wouldn't have made a difference. I think you nailed it on your first and third bullet points. She was doomed from the start. The MAGA cult is literally just too big now, and I genuinely believe that we were going to lose no matter what. But she DID discuss policy and she had several of them, especially compared to Trump who had tariffs, and uh.... uh.... uh.... wanting to glass Palestine?... Wanting to kill minorities?... Trump was the one who lacked policies, but policy literally doesn't matter anymore. The most salient observation you can make, I think, is that she was a generally lame and uncharismatic woman running against an extremely charismatic cult leader in an increasingly racist and misogynistic country where being a liberal is seen as being soft and weak and uncool (lefties hating liberals so much certainly doesn't help—thanks Hasan Piker, you fucking piece of shit). The democrats have utterly forgotten the concept of charisma—they don't know how to be inspiring anymore. Trump knows how to inspire people with sub 100 IQs, and that's how you win. In this country, that has proven to be an unbeatable strategy.
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« Last post by Mordo on November 06, 2024, 03:05:50 PM »
Alright, the dust has largely settled, post mortem time on why it went wrong for Kamala:
>The vast majority of exit polls are indicating this was about the economy. Whether you can attribute that to the Biden administration or the post pandemic recovery period is utterly irrelevant to the average voter. It happened under Biden's watch. Voters associated Kamala as the continuity candidate for the current state of economic affairs. She was doomed from the start. The Trump team nailed it on the head by hammering home the simple question of; are you better off now or when I was in charge?
>She relied to heavily on vibes and not enough on policy. In retrospect I really think we should have been sounding the alarm bells as her short lived campaign went on. Seriously, I never once heard of a policy position or a concrete step by step plan on how she was going to fix the economy or deal with Gaza if she was to take over. She really just thought coconut memes and brat girl summer tik tok edits were gonna win her the white house.
>She lost the POC voting bloc, particularly with males. Latino and black men abandoned her in the droves. I think this is largely down to her west coast elite upbringing just not resonating with POC men. It also doesn't help that she was the Attorney General of California, and if I'm not mistaken, locked a lot of POC men up during her tenure. Not a great image for securing POC votes.
Just genuinely a horrendous pick from the Democrats in hindsight. I'm starting to think she might actually be worse than Hillary.
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« Last post by V on November 06, 2024, 02:52:12 PM »
it's incredible that americans chose to vote for a criminal -- he shouldn't even been allowed to run again after all that nonsense
i read an article saying that he got lots of latino votes and as a latino myself, im like  ?? hasn't this dude been saying mean things about us for years and yet yall still choose to vote for him?
guess most americans have a peanut brain -- not too surprising
The increasing rate of cultural illiteracy has been a thing for the longest time. Making the educational system suffer just makes the indoctrination easier.
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« Last post by V on November 06, 2024, 02:50:16 PM »
now, if someone asks me, "but will this actually affect your personal life, though?" i'll be able to say "yes" for the first time
with Trump in office, Biden's student loan repayment program is cooked—the amount that i owe is such that i will never see the end of it. i'll be paying it off for the rest of my life, leaving me with significantly less time (and money to pay for) my hobbies, personal projects, or pretty much anything that could actually give me joy in life. all gone now
my fault for going to college after being relentlessly pressured into doing so by literally every single adult in my life when i was too young and dumb to understand the associated risks and repercussions
My brother was hoping this would go through since he started off with 12k in student loans. After 7 years, he brought it down to about 10k. I already know 5-6 people instantly leaving the state of Florida. It's a rough one.
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« Last post by alphy on November 06, 2024, 01:12:28 PM »
it's incredible that americans chose to vote for a criminal -- he shouldn't even been allowed to run again after all that nonsense
i read an article saying that he got lots of latino votes and as a latino myself, im like ????? hasn't this dude been saying mean things about us for years and yet yall still choose to vote for him?
guess most americans have a peanut brain -- not too surprising
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