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« on: May 10, 2020, 07:01:23 AM »
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« on: May 08, 2020, 04:08:54 PM »
People are straight up having street parties as if everything is back to normal.
Not under the Sturgeonator. Scotland under lockdown for another 3 weeks without any caveats.
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« on: May 08, 2020, 02:22:43 PM »
Either everyone say it or no one say it if we want to get past it
Who's being "binary" now?
You're right, races should continue to back off into their own corners but at least they'll have the word nigger
The fact that you spare no expense in using the word continually throughout the discussion is only proving my point further.
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« on: May 08, 2020, 01:56:16 PM »
How is a word inherently racist?
Slurs are derogatory by definition, and the use of them (outside of the field of reclaimed speech) cannot be justified outside of specific situations. The oppressing group using pejoratives reinforces the social stigmatization of the oppressed group and the status quo. "Words are just words" ignores the hundreds of years of abuse, dehumanization, and racism associated with that word. A black man was killed for jogging through a neighborhood fifteen minutes from his house, and nobody knew for two months because the system did its damnedest to cover it up. You can't make steps toward limiting societal imbalance while actively participating in a culture of stigmatization.
I'm not asking what justification there is for using a word, though. What I'm getting at is how words literally have no meaning at all until we as humans give meaning to them, thus that meaning is not absolute. You have, for example, the word "negro," which can be seen as derogatory in English, but in Spanish it simply means the color black. Because of this, not every use of the word has a derogatory meaning or even a negative one.
That isn't to say that because of this, people should just be able to go around saying slurs willy nilly and everyone else should just get over it. I'm only saying that there are plenty of instances where saying a racial slur isn't actually being racist. It's not the act of saying the word itself that is racist so much as it is the context behind it.
Language is a field created to impart information. Words are nothing but meaning. If you choose to use a slur rather than a non-stigmatized descriptor for a group, you're either declaring your intent really well or you're an idiot.
I also don't believe the example you gave concerning another language is relevant. Language imparts meaning, with the context being first and foremost what language you're speaking. Affecting AAVE would immediately throw up red flags for casual racism, why wouldn't using a word that is specifically a slur?
I'm saying that the meaning itself isn't absolute. The take away from my post is that it's possible for someone to say a slur without any ill intentions or prejudice. So I was curious as to whether or not you (or originally Mordo) would say that a person doing that is a racist.
Yes. That's what I would call ignorant racism.
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« on: May 08, 2020, 01:50:54 PM »
Either everyone say it or no one say it if we want to get past it
Who's being "binary" now?
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« on: May 08, 2020, 01:39:03 PM »
"The blackies get to say it so why can't I say it hmmmmst've" could not be any more of a white entitlement temper tantrum.
Are you even here to discuss anything or just splurge
What exactly is there to discuss, pray tell? Either you're a racist who thinks it's acceptable for white people to say the word, however much you want to sugar coat it with bullshit rationale, or you aren't.
It's not exactly a conversation brimming with heated debate.
Well there is a word that perpetuates an us vs them situation when the goal is to not perpetuate an us vs them situation
Just on its face having a word one group can use and another group can't is inherently discriminatory but on the other hand, the group also has been oppressed for centuries so there is history behind the word
You accused me of boiling down an entire ethnicity to a single entity and here you are making this a binary argument with no nuance
What the fuck are you blathering on about? You literally just refuted your own case. Yeah, the word has history behind it. Hence why white people shouldn't be using it sans in very limited circumstances, i.e. in an acting performance.
Not everything has to have this super grey moral gradient to it. Sometimes things really are just unambiguous.
Alright let me break it down for you since you have the processing power of an ant
Racism is bad.
Racism means barriers between races.
The word nigger sets up barriers between races.
The use of the word nigger perpetuates barriers between races.
Barriers between races means racism.
The use of the word nigger perpetuates racism.
Nobody should use the word nigger honestly. But since we have this weird situation where black people use it (and have valid reasons for doing so), it's appropriate to have discussions about it that don't fall into the binary choice you set up
Lol, what barriers are being placed around you when black people use the n word exactly? If it's because you can't use the word within the parameters of a polite society as much as you'd like then you've really got nothing more to offer to the conversation other than your closeted racism.
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« on: May 08, 2020, 01:00:52 PM »
"The blackies get to say it so why can't I say it hmmmmst've" could not be any more of a white entitlement temper tantrum.
Are you even here to discuss anything or just splurge
What exactly is there to discuss, pray tell? Either you're a racist who thinks it's acceptable for white people to say the word, however much you want to sugar coat it with bullshit rationale, or you aren't.
It's not exactly a conversation brimming with heated debate.
Well there is a word that perpetuates an us vs them situation when the goal is to not perpetuate an us vs them situation
Just on its face having a word one group can use and another group can't is inherently discriminatory but on the other hand, the group also has been oppressed for centuries so there is history behind the word
You accused me of boiling down an entire ethnicity to a single entity and here you are making this a binary argument with no nuance
What the fuck are you blathering on about? You literally just refuted your own case. Yeah, the word has history behind it. Hence why white people shouldn't be using it sans in very limited circumstances, i.e. in an acting performance. Not everything has to have this super grey moral gradient to it. Sometimes things really are just unambiguous.
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« on: May 08, 2020, 12:45:31 PM »
Unless you're an actor in a performance piece that is designed to portray that kind of role, (which 99% of the population isn't) then no, there's not much context which justifies a white person to use the word.
How is a word inherently racist? It literally only has meaning because we ascribe meaning to it. If a person has absolutely no racist intentions when saying the word "nigger/nigga" then how does that mean that person hates black people or believes their race is superior?
If you have a group of friends of various races who all use the word "nigga" as a synonym for "dude" or "bro," how does a white person in that group doing the same thing a racist act?
I genuinely want to know your logic behind that belief.
Because the word has hundreds of years of vitriolic hatred and discrimination attached to it. You wouldn't use "chinky" or "beaner" to describe your Asian or Hispanic friends to "bond as bros" or whatever other lame excuse you want to come up with. So why use it with the n word? I'm dropping this vid to clear any further confusion https://youtu.be/ERKKp3HJJe4
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« on: May 08, 2020, 12:29:59 PM »
"The blackies get to say it so why can't I say it hmmmmst've" could not be any more of a white entitlement temper tantrum.
Are you even here to discuss anything or just splurge
What exactly is there to discuss, pray tell? Either you're a racist who thinks it's acceptable for white people to say the word, however much you want to sugar coat it with bullshit rationale, or you aren't.
You mean to say that a white person is racist if they say it, no matter what the context is?
Unless you're an actor in a performance piece that is designed to portray that kind of role, (which 99% of the population isn't) then no, there's not much context which justifies a white person to use the word.
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« on: May 08, 2020, 12:24:47 PM »
"The blackies get to say it so why can't I say it hmmmmst've" could not be any more of a white entitlement temper tantrum.
Are you even here to discuss anything or just splurge
What exactly is there to discuss, pray tell? Either you're a racist who thinks it's acceptable for white people to say the word, however much you want to sugar coat it with bullshit rationale, or you aren't. It's not exactly a conversation brimming with heated debate.
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« on: May 08, 2020, 11:16:11 AM »
Dance for are boris Get youre; neibours out for a celebratrory dance for are country on VEday https://youtu.be/HsM_VmN6ytkGod i love are country.
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« on: May 08, 2020, 10:51:26 AM »
We gave the gerrys a roite good hiding on VEday and we will do the same to this virus. We will do this are way! LETS GO FUCKING MENTAL, AH NA NA NA 
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« on: May 08, 2020, 09:53:27 AM »
"The blackies get to say it so why can't I say it hmmmmst've" could not be any more of a white entitlement temper tantrum.
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« on: May 07, 2020, 04:54:01 PM »
There seems to be a weird double standard with “black” culture where if you bring up negative differences (higher crime rate, single motherhood, school dropout, etc), you’re racist but at the same time you’re expected to acknowledge and respect positive aspects of “black” culture (hip hop, civil rights movement, the use of the word nigga)
This is going straight into my "shit racists say who don't think they're racist" folder.
Kinda easy when you’re already assuming motivations
There's nothing to assume. You just reduced an entire ethnicities identity into one monolithic, inseparable entity by categorizing it as "black culture". Pretty racist if you ask me. What exactly is "black culture" by the way? Is this including Caribbean culture? African culture? Black British culture? Or do you just think the hippety hop music and gang banging encapsulates everything.
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« on: May 07, 2020, 04:18:13 PM »
There seems to be a weird double standard with “black” culture where if you bring up negative differences (higher crime rate, single motherhood, school dropout, etc), you’re racist but at the same time you’re expected to acknowledge and respect positive aspects of “black” culture (hip hop, civil rights movement, the use of the word nigga)
This is going straight into my "shit racists say who don't think they're racist" folder.
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« on: May 07, 2020, 02:57:07 PM »
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« on: May 07, 2020, 02:56:23 PM »
It's really entertaining how defensive people get about this film. Just bizarre.
I honestly do not give one iota of a shit if the fans are butt hurt or satisfied. All I can say with confidence is that TLJ was utter tripe. If that opinion gets your hackles up that much then there's not much point in explaining myself any further.
what gets my hackles up is that you can't provide a single good reason for why it's tripe that can't be summarily torn to shreds
even i could point out better examples of flaws that you probably haven't even noticed or considered
Your opinion literally just consists of spite against fanboys. You haven't addressed anything I've said that isn't frothing at the mouth hysteria over the OT and "Star Wars fans", or whatever the hell that even means or constitutes. Forgive me if I didnt, and still don't take your "observations" with a whole lot of cogency.
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« on: May 07, 2020, 02:38:04 PM »
It's really entertaining how defensive people get about this film. Just bizarre.
I honestly do not give one iota of a shit if the fans are butt hurt or satisfied. All I can say with confidence is that TLJ was utter tripe. If that opinion gets your hackles up that much then there's not much point in explaining myself any further.
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« on: May 07, 2020, 07:07:03 AM »
Esoteric 4chan memes huh
if that's all you're going to give me, i can't be expected to give much back
and i'm much better at it, so why not
If you're gonna meme your way out of defending a milquetoast, haphazardly constructed film then might as well as respond accordingly, no?
do you know what milquetoast means, or is it just a word that you like to use? because you could justifiably use that word to describe TFA if you wanted—i would still disagree, but i'd be able to see where you're coming from, at least
what exactly did you find "milquetoast" about Star Wars: Episode VIII – The Last Jedi (2017)
it couldn't have been the film's uniquely aggressive and unwelcoming tone, or the relatively cutthroat script, because those traits would tend towards the opposite of that term you used
It's milquetoast for the wrong reasons whilst simultaneously being incredibly contrarian for also the wrong reasons. Are you really trying to argue that the self serving, masturbatory "we just gots to save the abwused animals uWu" segment (which we've been subjected to in literally every garden variety disney film before) was narratively poignant in any way shape or form. Then again, you just opined that TLJ is the best in the franchise, so it wouldn't surprise me if you did.
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« on: May 06, 2020, 09:48:18 PM »
Esoteric 4chan memes huh
if that's all you're going to give me, i can't be expected to give much back
and i'm much better at it, so why not
If you're gonna meme your way out of defending a milquetoast, haphazardly constructed film then might as well as respond accordingly, no?
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« on: May 06, 2020, 09:33:44 PM »
Esoteric 4chan memes huh
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« on: May 06, 2020, 09:18:41 PM »
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« on: May 06, 2020, 09:08:13 PM »
except the type of person that this image was designed to mock is the type of person who hates TLJ
hate the movie all you want, but it's kind of sad that you can't even come up with a single coherent reason to do so besides "things didn't turn out the way i expected or wanted"
Seething.
damn i'm just getting epically ass-raped by your esoteric 4chan memes right now
how hard did you cry when they edited hayden christensen into rotj
You're defending a film that has literal Disney channel tier themes. Wait don't tell me, Canto Bight was the epitome of artistic vision and broke film making barriers. Embarrass yourself more.
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« on: May 06, 2020, 08:53:25 PM »
except the type of person that this image was designed to mock is the type of person who hates TLJ
hate the movie all you want, but it's kind of sad that you can't even come up with a single coherent reason to do so besides "things didn't turn out the way i expected or wanted"
Seething.
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« on: May 06, 2020, 08:38:12 PM »
TLJ was also very funny, which is refreshing because star wars has always been incredibly sterile when it comes to humor snoke's death (and the whole build-up to it) was fucking awesome, and the single best climax in the series i find that star wars fans literally only care about story when there's so much more about to appreciate about movies—TLJ in particular treats us to some of the most visually interesting scenes in the whole series, and i'm not just talking about lightsaber battles; what about the mirror cave sequence? find me a scene in the original trilogy that dared to go in a weird artsy direction like that (you can't because the original star wars movie was a hackjob that was saved in editing)
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« on: May 06, 2020, 03:21:42 PM »
I'm not implying anything. I'm saying the groundwork that was established in FA was completely 180'd in TLJ, making the movie and the trilogy as a whole one big incoherent disconnect.
the most i can agree with this statement is that rian johnson's desire to stick it to the fanboys was markedly transparent over the course of the movie, but that's ultimately the main reason why i like it in the first place
beyond that, i'm not terribly interested in how the films cohere—i'm just glad that johnson did what he did, even if it TRoS suffered for it, because star wars fans are so insufferable that they had this middle finger coming for decades (besides, i think tragic stuff like the unfortunate passing of carrie fisher ultimately did more damage to the film than johnson's writing ever could)
Okay sure, but none of this improves the shitty quality of the movie.
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« on: May 06, 2020, 07:17:00 AM »
The fact that Kylo was being built up to be Vader 2.0 but instead turned into some Linkin Park tier rage autist.
The fact that Finn was, well I don't even fucking know what he was meant to be in that movie. If it was comic relief then it was executed abysmally. He ended up just being a non entity character.
And yeah, the fact that Lukes characterisation was essentially intergalactic Tom Hanks in Castaway that does absolutely nothing throughout the film with the exception of being a lame bait and switch "gotcha" moment for Kylo in the climax.
PTSD Luke as a concept could've been done really well too.
i personally don't enjoy it when characters are written with cookiecutters, much less under the auspices of fanboys on how characters "should" act
and are you seriously implying that Darth Vader 2.0 wouldn't have been the lamest and most uninteresting route they could've taken with kylo ren's character
I'm not implying anything. I'm saying the groundwork that was established in FA was completely 180'd in TLJ, making the movie and the trilogy as a whole one big incoherent disconnect.
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« on: May 05, 2020, 07:06:27 PM »
India has more deaths than The Great leap Forward, Ukrainian Famine, and the Red Terror combined? I most certainly would like to know your reasoning behind this.
capitalist activities have killed more people in india alone If you want to play the historical version of "your dad is shittier than my dad" game then technically capitalism has an obscenely higher death toll than communism. Atlantic Slave Trade, European colonialism, economic crashes as a result of capitalist greed and US backed fascist regimes when combined have a death toll that exceeds Communist governments.
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« on: May 05, 2020, 05:08:29 PM »
Nah, The Last Jedi was dope af.
You're damned if you subvert expectations and you're damned if you give the fans what they want.
Personally, I don't care what the fans want. All that matters is the artist's vision for the film; Artists with integrity ignore the opinions and wants of their fans.
There's having an artistic vision and then there's being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.
If you're trying to argue that the meandering mess of TLJ and its contradictory character development is an artistic vision, then sorry to say, it's not a very good one.
still the best one in the film franchise
Nope.
what do you mean by "contradictory character development" anyway
i swear to god, if you're talking about how luke was written
The fact that Kylo was being built up to be Vader 2.0 but instead turned into some Linkin Park tier rage autist. The fact that Finn was, well I don't even fucking know what he was meant to be in that movie. If it was comic relief then it was executed abysmally. He ended up just being a non entity character. And yeah, the fact that Lukes characterisation was essentially intergalactic Tom Hanks in Castaway that does absolutely nothing throughout the film with the exception of being a lame bait and switch "gotcha" moment for Kylo in the climax. PTSD Luke as a concept could've been done really well too.
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« on: May 05, 2020, 04:45:34 PM »
Nah, The Last Jedi was dope af.
You're damned if you subvert expectations and you're damned if you give the fans what they want.
Personally, I don't care what the fans want. All that matters is the artist's vision for the film; Artists with integrity ignore the opinions and wants of their fans.
There's having an artistic vision and then there's being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.
If you're trying to argue that the meandering mess of TLJ and its contradictory character development is an artistic vision, then sorry to say, it's not a very good one.
still the best one in the film franchise
Nope.
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