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« on: October 05, 2015, 06:05:15 AM »
No Wankperor.
But even with him alive, the Emberor is powered by the faith of people (I believe). And when the Forerunner starts blowing up star systems and blowing up planets, I'm sure that his power will fade as people lose faith.
Cry more.
The Emperor was a God powered being even before the faith in the Emperor started to supercharge his psychic imprint in the warp.
Oh no blowing up a few planets, whatever will the feeble hearted folk of the Imperium do.
It's not like the Imperium itself routinely burns entire planets to ashes, detonates their cores and atomises the rubble. Or that every day more and more planets fall to daemonic incursion. Or the Nids. Or the Tau. Or the Eldar Pirates. Or the Necrons. Or the Chaos Marines. Or the Orks.
Whatever will they do, they must be quaking at the thought of a few planets, star systems and subsectors being liquidated.
His power isn't a malleable thing based on faith points, the accumulated psychic imprint of the entire species has created a warp entity in the form of the Emperor which is at the same time the Emperor. Killing a few trillion humans won't do jack shit in 40k.
Forerunners are closer to super-civilizations like the Culture and stuff than the IoM. Book Forerunners would deploy so fast though slipspace that the Imperium would lag behind.
Terra would be the only planet that would take years to besiege and conquer because...well its Terra. What the Imperium has going for them in standard infantry are flashlight guys against the Warrior-Servants, the Space Marines against the superior numbers of the ancient Prometheans, and their warships are outclassed by the Forerunner battleships. Contender-class AIs would render most of the IoM's naval ships useless and allow the rest of the Forerunner armada to mop the floor...or space with the inferior Imperial ships.
This is like comparing the Galactic Empire with United Federation of Planets.
Hmm, well that would depend on which universe they decided to fight in.
If the forerunners were on the offensive, they'd be in the 40kverse and so they'd either have to ask the eldar very nicely about the webway or they'd be slogging through the warp. Without Gellar fields. That ends well.
But giving them the +1 handicap, because they need it, say they had the slipspace FTL advantage - That's all well and good for rapid deployment but then they tend to run into a bit of a problem. The Imperium doesn't give a shit about 98% of the planets in it's Empire, because they are all pretty much expendable.
Forge Worlds, Fortress Worlds, Space Marine homeworlds and Terra are the kind of places that count.
At any given time the amount of forces defending each of these locations is utterly overwhelming, it takes something like the 3rd war for Armageddon to draw forces away from these locations willingly.
The forerunner ships might have some nice fancy stuff going for them, but some of the bigger IoM spacecraft would still batter them to hell and back. Stick a few nova cannons into the fleets and that'll be GG for basically anything in the firing line.
Then to take the ground on each planet?
Good luck on that one, the IOM has trillions (not exaggerated) of flashlighters and figures vary but around about a million odd space marines. Quite aside from the toys the ad mech roll out to play.
Like Cadia for example.
13 black crusades and counting.
I think that the Eldar would allow them, since you know...fuck the humans right? lol
Well, then the Forerunners would have to wisely use their AIs, Strategos and military leaders who have served for thousands of years. But if it were fleet against fleet, the IoM side would be annihilated. Wiping out planet after planet would be a severe waste of resources, and the Forerunners would use some other type of offensive plans.
It's unlikely but equally likely. The Eldar are so far up their own arse with reading the runes and staring into the future they tend to only wake up when you have a bayonet through their abdomen.
The IOM is the ultimate meatgrinder, that's why it comes out on top. Not in the first war, the second or even the third. But it always overcomes.
The forerunners might break one fleet, the might break them all but the shipyards at Bakka-Triu and Jupiter would crank out another few hundred in the time it took them to wipe.
Everything in the Imperium is expendable barring the forgeworlds and terra really. Short of completely annihilating the IoM down to the last man there would always be one more guardsman with one more lasgun ready to shoot at one more forerunner.
If they didn't have that, they would have collapsed under the weight of 15k years of total war e.e
The KD would be atrocious I'm sure, but this is an Empire that spawned the Death Korps of Krieg. Every man, woman and child on that planet exists simply to die for the Emperor or make more children to die for the Emperor. They have no souls, lives or anything. Just one long march to the grave. Or a short one.
I don't think the forerunners have quite that amount of numbers or resources, or fanaticism that the catholic church could only hope to dream of.
e.e
If only you knew the insanity of the Forerunner's industrial capacity. Let's look at Onyx from Glasslands.
Halo Glasslands; ch 15.
“Here we go,” BB said. “Stand by.”
Mal was still trying not to blink and miss it when the stars suddenly vanished and he felt a weird tugging at his boots as if the deck beneath him was sprung. The trampoline sensation stopped as quickly as it started, but the stars didn’t reappear.
“Oh my, that was spectacular,” BB said. “No, seriously. It was. You should see what that looked like in the microwave spectrum. And the magnetic field. Extraordinary. But it’s not really a Dyson sphere, not as Dyson hypothesized, because a solid shell wouldn’t—”
“Go on, rub it in.” Mal felt cheated. “So why can’t we see it? Or any stars?”
And then it dawned on him. He was looking at the sphere. It was pretty well all he could see. His view of space was completely obscured by a vast, matte black sphere, and he could only tell what he was looking at because there was a dim arc like a crescent moon, the curve of the sphere picked out by the distant light of Onyx’s sun. That sphere was as big as Earth’s orbit. The expansion was both a massive anticlimax and the most amazing thing he’d ever—never—seen. That's a lot of building. Lets say that this was built in an 8,000 yr long period. (ala the end of Human-Forerunner War to the Dildact's exile).
Let's take this guy's quote. You can do the math yourself if you want.
The Sharpened Shield is roughly 300 million km in diameter with a G2 type star slightly smaller than Sol at the core, with a volume of roughly 7 septillion km^3 she boasted a habitable surface area of 255 quadrillion km^2 (some 550 million times the surface area of Earth). Assuming the Shield has a paltry 2 km thick shell the overall volume of the structure would equal 282 quadrillion km^3 of material (which assuming it had a density of iron would weigh more than the sun itself); even if Didact began construction of the project immediately following the end of the Human-Forerunner war and it continued up until his exile in an 8,000 year time period as a lower limit the Forerunners would have to assemble 1,120,716 cubic kilometers of material per second.
Imagine the number of vessels they roflspam from that kind of industry??? Building the Sharpened Shield in 8,000 yrs is a low end limit to the guy. Which is essentially building a Death Star every five minutes. Even if it took 10,000 or 15,000 yrs to build it, it's still an insane amount of material being set into construction.
Insanity would be an apt description really, there is realistic and there is overpowered and there is moving that kind of quantity of material around at that rate. But hey, Halo basically needs every handicap it can get so we'll let them have that. Now the one thing that would be amusing to see, is what an Alpha++ Psyker could do to the forerunners. Let alone multiple A++ Psykers working in concert. Warpstorms are pretty much GG for anything in the system, letting one of those rip when the forerunners turn up would leave them amusingly graped. If the forerunners can be infected by flood, they can be possessed by daemons. Whilst they aren't the usual soldiers of the emperor, the IOM knows how to summon them because it needs to know how to stop people summoning them. That's a fire and forget, then sit down and shoot yourself kind of thing to do though. The forerunners wouldn't have pariahs, since that is a unique genetic mutation in humans. One in a billion humans are born with it and that makes them a null force to psychic power. Which means they'd be struggling to find a hard counter to a psyker onslaught. Equally at home boiling the blood of the enemy and shooting lightning out of their arms as they are using hammerhand to shred through anything with their bare hands. Quite aside from the mind wars, possession and driving them to insanity that is routine for anyone working around psykers let alone being on the wrong end of the pointed stick.
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« on: October 05, 2015, 05:45:30 AM »
13 black crusades and counting.
Wouldn't say counting, exactly, since the thirteenth is the last, but overall you make a good point.
Well that would depend on where the canon sits since they retconned a bunch of it and rolled it back and moved this and that and just generally undid all of that summer campaign because completely ironically for 40k the thing ended up in a deadlock.
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« on: October 04, 2015, 08:04:52 PM »
And also, better ships? Lets say, the Forerunners come equip with stuff that is stronger than hundreds of NOVA bombs. A single battleship being able to wipe out multiple stars in firepower, like the Didact's Mantle Approach, an old and support ship was bigger than the friggin Death Star II.
Hmm well in terms of regular battleships it might struggle.
However, there was one little intrepid magos who went and found himself a little artifact known as the breath of the gods way off beyond the halo stars. Now it ended up destroyed because the magos realised that having something that can create and unmake reality with ease isn't really a good thing. If they decided that hey, as dangerous as this thing is, the forerunners are really starting to nip at our heels.
Then they have something that can rival the C'Tan, in the hands of mortals crazy enough to use it.
So that forerunner fleet being all high and mighty may have just found itself warped out of existence entirely.
That would require outside aid, m8. And even then, Forerunners would just jump into slipspace and catch the human fleet from the arse.
Not really, it was humans who found it and tried it out.
Catching the fleet in the bum only works if that fleet doesn't have access to something that dictates rules of existence. They turn up and simultaneously disappear forever five millennia ago.
So its instant? Why haven't they been using that shit against the Tyrannids or the Chaos Marines then?!
So what happened right (as I remember it)
The magos goes off beyond the halo stars or the ghoul stars, one or the other my head is getting foggy from the tablets now, to look for another magos who went doolalley and charged off to find this here breath of the gods.
He finds the chap and says Doctor Livingstone I presume, who turns out to be absolutely insane. He's been using it to make this research facility to basically farm entropy off of a hrud nest to power it up into a weapon. Which um, works pretty nicely and kind of decays everything instantly when it's shot by it.
He's also done the typical good idea plan and made his secret base orbit a black hole because it looks cool.
So magos searcher goes to magos finder - you absolute madman - and then gets into an almighty kerfuffle with the fellow and they squabble over who gets to use it for what purpose etc. Magos searcher wants to use it for good to rebuild the golden age etc, magos finder wants to make his death ray work even better.
They bongarong and this AI cheat creature appears (AI being absolutely haram in the imperium) called galatea who fucks people up for fun and kind of takes over the entire ark mechanicus for giggles. Eventually magos finder succumbs to something and magos searcher beats galatea with the help of a machine touched individual (Avatar of the Omnissiah's will) and he realises the damage that could have happened if galatea had taken over the breath of the gods and so he sparta kicks the whole planet into the black hole and GG the end no reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
That's literally the worst retelling imagineable that fully mains the entire story and plot for brevity and psyduckiness but yeah. Magos Kotek I think his name was, decides to destroy it rather than risk giving god mode to a lunatic again.
That sounded like a heavy dose of PIS.
I beg your pudding
Plot Induced Stupidity.
And no, its MY pudding! MINE! Unless you...ask nicely.
Oh, well like I said I absolutely murdered the plotline of three books to get it into one bitesized jumble.
but
the pudding is the pardon of the question that was asked
>not realizing im playing with you
it';s 2am and i've had my sleeping tablets
the finer points of banter tend to get lost about 40 minutes ago
I thought that buckets didn't need to sleep
They don't but sadly this bucket is still flesh ;_________;
5764
« on: October 04, 2015, 08:02:42 PM »
And also, better ships? Lets say, the Forerunners come equip with stuff that is stronger than hundreds of NOVA bombs. A single battleship being able to wipe out multiple stars in firepower, like the Didact's Mantle Approach, an old and support ship was bigger than the friggin Death Star II.
Hmm well in terms of regular battleships it might struggle.
However, there was one little intrepid magos who went and found himself a little artifact known as the breath of the gods way off beyond the halo stars. Now it ended up destroyed because the magos realised that having something that can create and unmake reality with ease isn't really a good thing. If they decided that hey, as dangerous as this thing is, the forerunners are really starting to nip at our heels.
Then they have something that can rival the C'Tan, in the hands of mortals crazy enough to use it.
So that forerunner fleet being all high and mighty may have just found itself warped out of existence entirely.
That would require outside aid, m8. And even then, Forerunners would just jump into slipspace and catch the human fleet from the arse.
Not really, it was humans who found it and tried it out.
Catching the fleet in the bum only works if that fleet doesn't have access to something that dictates rules of existence. They turn up and simultaneously disappear forever five millennia ago.
So its instant? Why haven't they been using that shit against the Tyrannids or the Chaos Marines then?!
So what happened right (as I remember it)
The magos goes off beyond the halo stars or the ghoul stars, one or the other my head is getting foggy from the tablets now, to look for another magos who went doolalley and charged off to find this here breath of the gods.
He finds the chap and says Doctor Livingstone I presume, who turns out to be absolutely insane. He's been using it to make this research facility to basically farm entropy off of a hrud nest to power it up into a weapon. Which um, works pretty nicely and kind of decays everything instantly when it's shot by it.
He's also done the typical good idea plan and made his secret base orbit a black hole because it looks cool.
So magos searcher goes to magos finder - you absolute madman - and then gets into an almighty kerfuffle with the fellow and they squabble over who gets to use it for what purpose etc. Magos searcher wants to use it for good to rebuild the golden age etc, magos finder wants to make his death ray work even better.
They bongarong and this AI cheat creature appears (AI being absolutely haram in the imperium) called galatea who fucks people up for fun and kind of takes over the entire ark mechanicus for giggles. Eventually magos finder succumbs to something and magos searcher beats galatea with the help of a machine touched individual (Avatar of the Omnissiah's will) and he realises the damage that could have happened if galatea had taken over the breath of the gods and so he sparta kicks the whole planet into the black hole and GG the end no reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
That's literally the worst retelling imagineable that fully mains the entire story and plot for brevity and psyduckiness but yeah. Magos Kotek I think his name was, decides to destroy it rather than risk giving god mode to a lunatic again.
That sounded like a heavy dose of PIS.
I beg your pudding
Plot Induced Stupidity.
And no, its MY pudding! MINE! Unless you...ask nicely.
Oh, well like I said I absolutely murdered the plotline of three books to get it into one bitesized jumble.
but
the pudding is the pardon of the question that was asked
>not realizing im playing with you
it';s 2am and i've had my sleeping tablets the finer points of banter tend to get lost about 40 minutes ago
5765
« on: October 04, 2015, 08:01:22 PM »
And also, better ships? Lets say, the Forerunners come equip with stuff that is stronger than hundreds of NOVA bombs. A single battleship being able to wipe out multiple stars in firepower, like the Didact's Mantle Approach, an old and support ship was bigger than the friggin Death Star II.
Hmm well in terms of regular battleships it might struggle.
However, there was one little intrepid magos who went and found himself a little artifact known as the breath of the gods way off beyond the halo stars. Now it ended up destroyed because the magos realised that having something that can create and unmake reality with ease isn't really a good thing. If they decided that hey, as dangerous as this thing is, the forerunners are really starting to nip at our heels.
Then they have something that can rival the C'Tan, in the hands of mortals crazy enough to use it.
So that forerunner fleet being all high and mighty may have just found itself warped out of existence entirely.
That would require outside aid, m8. And even then, Forerunners would just jump into slipspace and catch the human fleet from the arse.
Not really, it was humans who found it and tried it out.
Catching the fleet in the bum only works if that fleet doesn't have access to something that dictates rules of existence. They turn up and simultaneously disappear forever five millennia ago.
So its instant? Why haven't they been using that shit against the Tyrannids or the Chaos Marines then?!
So what happened right (as I remember it)
The magos goes off beyond the halo stars or the ghoul stars, one or the other my head is getting foggy from the tablets now, to look for another magos who went doolalley and charged off to find this here breath of the gods.
He finds the chap and says Doctor Livingstone I presume, who turns out to be absolutely insane. He's been using it to make this research facility to basically farm entropy off of a hrud nest to power it up into a weapon. Which um, works pretty nicely and kind of decays everything instantly when it's shot by it.
He's also done the typical good idea plan and made his secret base orbit a black hole because it looks cool.
So magos searcher goes to magos finder - you absolute madman - and then gets into an almighty kerfuffle with the fellow and they squabble over who gets to use it for what purpose etc. Magos searcher wants to use it for good to rebuild the golden age etc, magos finder wants to make his death ray work even better.
They bongarong and this AI cheat creature appears (AI being absolutely haram in the imperium) called galatea who fucks people up for fun and kind of takes over the entire ark mechanicus for giggles. Eventually magos finder succumbs to something and magos searcher beats galatea with the help of a machine touched individual (Avatar of the Omnissiah's will) and he realises the damage that could have happened if galatea had taken over the breath of the gods and so he sparta kicks the whole planet into the black hole and GG the end no reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
That's literally the worst retelling imagineable that fully mains the entire story and plot for brevity and psyduckiness but yeah. Magos Kotek I think his name was, decides to destroy it rather than risk giving god mode to a lunatic again.
That sounded like a heavy dose of PIS.
I beg your pudding
Plot Induced Stupidity.
And no, its MY pudding! MINE! Unless you...ask nicely.
Oh, well like I said I absolutely murdered the plotline of three books to get it into one bitesized jumble. but the pudding is the pardon of the question that was asked
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« on: October 04, 2015, 07:57:08 PM »
And also, better ships? Lets say, the Forerunners come equip with stuff that is stronger than hundreds of NOVA bombs. A single battleship being able to wipe out multiple stars in firepower, like the Didact's Mantle Approach, an old and support ship was bigger than the friggin Death Star II.
Hmm well in terms of regular battleships it might struggle.
However, there was one little intrepid magos who went and found himself a little artifact known as the breath of the gods way off beyond the halo stars. Now it ended up destroyed because the magos realised that having something that can create and unmake reality with ease isn't really a good thing. If they decided that hey, as dangerous as this thing is, the forerunners are really starting to nip at our heels.
Then they have something that can rival the C'Tan, in the hands of mortals crazy enough to use it.
So that forerunner fleet being all high and mighty may have just found itself warped out of existence entirely.
That would require outside aid, m8. And even then, Forerunners would just jump into slipspace and catch the human fleet from the arse.
Not really, it was humans who found it and tried it out.
Catching the fleet in the bum only works if that fleet doesn't have access to something that dictates rules of existence. They turn up and simultaneously disappear forever five millennia ago.
So its instant? Why haven't they been using that shit against the Tyrannids or the Chaos Marines then?!
So what happened right (as I remember it)
The magos goes off beyond the halo stars or the ghoul stars, one or the other my head is getting foggy from the tablets now, to look for another magos who went doolalley and charged off to find this here breath of the gods.
He finds the chap and says Doctor Livingstone I presume, who turns out to be absolutely insane. He's been using it to make this research facility to basically farm entropy off of a hrud nest to power it up into a weapon. Which um, works pretty nicely and kind of decays everything instantly when it's shot by it.
He's also done the typical good idea plan and made his secret base orbit a black hole because it looks cool.
So magos searcher goes to magos finder - you absolute madman - and then gets into an almighty kerfuffle with the fellow and they squabble over who gets to use it for what purpose etc. Magos searcher wants to use it for good to rebuild the golden age etc, magos finder wants to make his death ray work even better.
They bongarong and this AI cheat creature appears (AI being absolutely haram in the imperium) called galatea who fucks people up for fun and kind of takes over the entire ark mechanicus for giggles. Eventually magos finder succumbs to something and magos searcher beats galatea with the help of a machine touched individual (Avatar of the Omnissiah's will) and he realises the damage that could have happened if galatea had taken over the breath of the gods and so he sparta kicks the whole planet into the black hole and GG the end no reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
That's literally the worst retelling imagineable that fully mains the entire story and plot for brevity and psyduckiness but yeah. Magos Kotek I think his name was, decides to destroy it rather than risk giving god mode to a lunatic again.
That sounded like a heavy dose of PIS.
I beg your pudding
5767
« on: October 04, 2015, 07:53:15 PM »
And also, better ships? Lets say, the Forerunners come equip with stuff that is stronger than hundreds of NOVA bombs. A single battleship being able to wipe out multiple stars in firepower, like the Didact's Mantle Approach, an old and support ship was bigger than the friggin Death Star II.
Hmm well in terms of regular battleships it might struggle.
However, there was one little intrepid magos who went and found himself a little artifact known as the breath of the gods way off beyond the halo stars. Now it ended up destroyed because the magos realised that having something that can create and unmake reality with ease isn't really a good thing. If they decided that hey, as dangerous as this thing is, the forerunners are really starting to nip at our heels.
Then they have something that can rival the C'Tan, in the hands of mortals crazy enough to use it.
So that forerunner fleet being all high and mighty may have just found itself warped out of existence entirely.
That would require outside aid, m8. And even then, Forerunners would just jump into slipspace and catch the human fleet from the arse.
Not really, it was humans who found it and tried it out.
Catching the fleet in the bum only works if that fleet doesn't have access to something that dictates rules of existence. They turn up and simultaneously disappear forever five millennia ago.
So its instant? Why haven't they been using that shit against the Tyrannids or the Chaos Marines then?!
So what happened right (as I remember it) The magos goes off beyond the halo stars or the ghoul stars, one or the other my head is getting foggy from the tablets now, to look for another magos who went doolalley and charged off to find this here breath of the gods. He finds the chap and says Doctor Livingstone I presume, who turns out to be absolutely insane. He's been using it to make this research facility to basically farm entropy off of a hrud nest to power it up into a weapon. Which um, works pretty nicely and kind of decays everything instantly when it's shot by it. He's also done the typical good idea plan and made his secret base orbit a black hole because it looks cool. So magos searcher goes to magos finder - you absolute madman - and then gets into an almighty kerfuffle with the fellow and they squabble over who gets to use it for what purpose etc. Magos searcher wants to use it for good to rebuild the golden age etc, magos finder wants to make his death ray work even better. They bongarong and this AI cheat creature appears (AI being absolutely haram in the imperium) called galatea who fucks people up for fun and kind of takes over the entire ark mechanicus for giggles. Eventually magos finder succumbs to something and magos searcher beats galatea with the help of a machine touched individual (Avatar of the Omnissiah's will) and he realises the damage that could have happened if galatea had taken over the breath of the gods and so he sparta kicks the whole planet into the black hole and GG the end no reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. That's literally the worst retelling imagineable that fully mains the entire story and plot for brevity and psyduckiness but yeah. Magos Kotek I think his name was, decides to destroy it rather than risk giving god mode to a lunatic again.
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« on: October 04, 2015, 07:42:49 PM »
And also, better ships? Lets say, the Forerunners come equip with stuff that is stronger than hundreds of NOVA bombs. A single battleship being able to wipe out multiple stars in firepower, like the Didact's Mantle Approach, an old and support ship was bigger than the friggin Death Star II.
Hmm well in terms of regular battleships it might struggle.
However, there was one little intrepid magos who went and found himself a little artifact known as the breath of the gods way off beyond the halo stars. Now it ended up destroyed because the magos realised that having something that can create and unmake reality with ease isn't really a good thing. If they decided that hey, as dangerous as this thing is, the forerunners are really starting to nip at our heels.
Then they have something that can rival the C'Tan, in the hands of mortals crazy enough to use it.
So that forerunner fleet being all high and mighty may have just found itself warped out of existence entirely.
That would require outside aid, m8. And even then, Forerunners would just jump into slipspace and catch the human fleet from the arse.
Not really, it was humans who found it and tried it out. Catching the fleet in the bum only works if that fleet doesn't have access to something that dictates rules of existence. They turn up and simultaneously disappear forever five millennia ago.
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« on: October 04, 2015, 07:41:17 PM »
No Wankperor.
But even with him alive, the Emberor is powered by the faith of people (I believe). And when the Forerunner starts blowing up star systems and blowing up planets, I'm sure that his power will fade as people lose faith.
Cry more.
The Emperor was a God powered being even before the faith in the Emperor started to supercharge his psychic imprint in the warp.
Oh no blowing up a few planets, whatever will the feeble hearted folk of the Imperium do.
It's not like the Imperium itself routinely burns entire planets to ashes, detonates their cores and atomises the rubble. Or that every day more and more planets fall to daemonic incursion. Or the Nids. Or the Tau. Or the Eldar Pirates. Or the Necrons. Or the Chaos Marines. Or the Orks.
Whatever will they do, they must be quaking at the thought of a few planets, star systems and subsectors being liquidated.
His power isn't a malleable thing based on faith points, the accumulated psychic imprint of the entire species has created a warp entity in the form of the Emperor which is at the same time the Emperor. Killing a few trillion humans won't do jack shit in 40k.
Forerunners are closer to super-civilizations like the Culture and stuff than the IoM. Book Forerunners would deploy so fast though slipspace that the Imperium would lag behind.
Terra would be the only planet that would take years to besiege and conquer because...well its Terra. What the Imperium has going for them in standard infantry are flashlight guys against the Warrior-Servants, the Space Marines against the superior numbers of the ancient Prometheans, and their warships are outclassed by the Forerunner battleships. Contender-class AIs would render most of the IoM's naval ships useless and allow the rest of the Forerunner armada to mop the floor...or space with the inferior Imperial ships.
This is like comparing the Galactic Empire with United Federation of Planets.
Hmm, well that would depend on which universe they decided to fight in.
If the forerunners were on the offensive, they'd be in the 40kverse and so they'd either have to ask the eldar very nicely about the webway or they'd be slogging through the warp. Without Gellar fields. That ends well.
But giving them the +1 handicap, because they need it, say they had the slipspace FTL advantage - That's all well and good for rapid deployment but then they tend to run into a bit of a problem. The Imperium doesn't give a shit about 98% of the planets in it's Empire, because they are all pretty much expendable.
Forge Worlds, Fortress Worlds, Space Marine homeworlds and Terra are the kind of places that count.
At any given time the amount of forces defending each of these locations is utterly overwhelming, it takes something like the 3rd war for Armageddon to draw forces away from these locations willingly.
The forerunner ships might have some nice fancy stuff going for them, but some of the bigger IoM spacecraft would still batter them to hell and back. Stick a few nova cannons into the fleets and that'll be GG for basically anything in the firing line.
Then to take the ground on each planet?
Good luck on that one, the IOM has trillions (not exaggerated) of flashlighters and figures vary but around about a million odd space marines. Quite aside from the toys the ad mech roll out to play.
Like Cadia for example.
13 black crusades and counting.
I think that the Eldar would allow them, since you know...fuck the humans right? lol
Well, then the Forerunners would have to wisely use their AIs, Strategos and military leaders who have served for thousands of years. But if it were fleet against fleet, the IoM side would be annihilated. Wiping out planet after planet would be a severe waste of resources, and the Forerunners would use some other type of offensive plans.
It's unlikely but equally likely. The Eldar are so far up their own arse with reading the runes and staring into the future they tend to only wake up when you have a bayonet through their abdomen.
The IOM is the ultimate meatgrinder, that's why it comes out on top. Not in the first war, the second or even the third. But it always overcomes.
The forerunners might break one fleet, the might break them all but the shipyards at Bakka-Triu and Jupiter would crank out another few hundred in the time it took them to wipe.
Everything in the Imperium is expendable barring the forgeworlds and terra really. Short of completely annihilating the IoM down to the last man there would always be one more guardsman with one more lasgun ready to shoot at one more forerunner.
If they didn't have that, they would have collapsed under the weight of 15k years of total war e.e
The KD would be atrocious I'm sure, but this is an Empire that spawned the Death Korps of Krieg. Every man, woman and child on that planet exists simply to die for the Emperor or make more children to die for the Emperor. They have no souls, lives or anything. Just one long march to the grave. Or a short one.
I don't think the forerunners have quite that amount of numbers or resources, or fanaticism that the catholic church could only hope to dream of.
e.e
Really, the Eldar are annoying. But then again, the humans are equally as stupid. And yeah, the problem are numbers, the Forerunners would need to be in a neutral universe to pump out more troops to equalize the Forge Worlds. Its a problem of quality against quantity for the Forerunners, last time they faced something like that they used the Halo Array.
Yeah I fucking hate the space pixies. Humans are crude and primitive but at least they are pretentious little sods while they are at it. That's really what would end up happening, unless the Emperor decided to walk through the warp one day and go and trash the rings in person.
5770
« on: October 04, 2015, 07:35:16 PM »
And also, better ships? Lets say, the Forerunners come equip with stuff that is stronger than hundreds of NOVA bombs. A single battleship being able to wipe out multiple stars in firepower, like the Didact's Mantle Approach, an old and support ship was bigger than the friggin Death Star II.
Hmm well in terms of regular battleships it might struggle. However, there was one little intrepid magos who went and found himself a little artifact known as the breath of the gods way off beyond the halo stars. Now it ended up destroyed because the magos realised that having something that can create and unmake reality with ease isn't really a good thing. If they decided that hey, as dangerous as this thing is, the forerunners are really starting to nip at our heels. Then they have something that can rival the C'Tan, in the hands of mortals crazy enough to use it. So that forerunner fleet being all high and mighty may have just found itself warped out of existence entirely.
5771
« on: October 04, 2015, 07:31:42 PM »
No Wankperor.
But even with him alive, the Emberor is powered by the faith of people (I believe). And when the Forerunner starts blowing up star systems and blowing up planets, I'm sure that his power will fade as people lose faith.
Cry more.
The Emperor was a God powered being even before the faith in the Emperor started to supercharge his psychic imprint in the warp.
Oh no blowing up a few planets, whatever will the feeble hearted folk of the Imperium do.
It's not like the Imperium itself routinely burns entire planets to ashes, detonates their cores and atomises the rubble. Or that every day more and more planets fall to daemonic incursion. Or the Nids. Or the Tau. Or the Eldar Pirates. Or the Necrons. Or the Chaos Marines. Or the Orks.
Whatever will they do, they must be quaking at the thought of a few planets, star systems and subsectors being liquidated.
His power isn't a malleable thing based on faith points, the accumulated psychic imprint of the entire species has created a warp entity in the form of the Emperor which is at the same time the Emperor. Killing a few trillion humans won't do jack shit in 40k.
Forerunners are closer to super-civilizations like the Culture and stuff than the IoM. Book Forerunners would deploy so fast though slipspace that the Imperium would lag behind.
Terra would be the only planet that would take years to besiege and conquer because...well its Terra. What the Imperium has going for them in standard infantry are flashlight guys against the Warrior-Servants, the Space Marines against the superior numbers of the ancient Prometheans, and their warships are outclassed by the Forerunner battleships. Contender-class AIs would render most of the IoM's naval ships useless and allow the rest of the Forerunner armada to mop the floor...or space with the inferior Imperial ships.
This is like comparing the Galactic Empire with United Federation of Planets.
Hmm, well that would depend on which universe they decided to fight in.
If the forerunners were on the offensive, they'd be in the 40kverse and so they'd either have to ask the eldar very nicely about the webway or they'd be slogging through the warp. Without Gellar fields. That ends well.
But giving them the +1 handicap, because they need it, say they had the slipspace FTL advantage - That's all well and good for rapid deployment but then they tend to run into a bit of a problem. The Imperium doesn't give a shit about 98% of the planets in it's Empire, because they are all pretty much expendable.
Forge Worlds, Fortress Worlds, Space Marine homeworlds and Terra are the kind of places that count.
At any given time the amount of forces defending each of these locations is utterly overwhelming, it takes something like the 3rd war for Armageddon to draw forces away from these locations willingly.
The forerunner ships might have some nice fancy stuff going for them, but some of the bigger IoM spacecraft would still batter them to hell and back. Stick a few nova cannons into the fleets and that'll be GG for basically anything in the firing line.
Then to take the ground on each planet?
Good luck on that one, the IOM has trillions (not exaggerated) of flashlighters and figures vary but around about a million odd space marines. Quite aside from the toys the ad mech roll out to play.
Like Cadia for example.
13 black crusades and counting.
I think that the Eldar would allow them, since you know...fuck the humans right? lol
Well, then the Forerunners would have to wisely use their AIs, Strategos and military leaders who have served for thousands of years. But if it were fleet against fleet, the IoM side would be annihilated. Wiping out planet after planet would be a severe waste of resources, and the Forerunners would use some other type of offensive plans.
It's unlikely but equally likely. The Eldar are so far up their own arse with reading the runes and staring into the future they tend to only wake up when you have a bayonet through their abdomen. The IOM is the ultimate meatgrinder, that's why it comes out on top. Not in the first war, the second or even the third. But it always overcomes. The forerunners might break one fleet, the might break them all but the shipyards at Bakka-Triu and Jupiter would crank out another few hundred in the time it took them to wipe. Everything in the Imperium is expendable barring the forgeworlds and terra really. Short of completely annihilating the IoM down to the last man there would always be one more guardsman with one more lasgun ready to shoot at one more forerunner. If they didn't have that, they would have collapsed under the weight of 15k years of total war e.e The KD would be atrocious I'm sure, but this is an Empire that spawned the Death Korps of Krieg. Every man, woman and child on that planet exists simply to die for the Emperor or make more children to die for the Emperor. They have no souls, lives or anything. Just one long march to the grave. Or a short one. I don't think the forerunners have quite that amount of numbers or resources, or fanaticism that the catholic church could only hope to dream of. e.e
5772
« on: October 04, 2015, 07:25:37 PM »
Your temperament is sanguine. The sanguine temperament is fundamentally spontaneous and pleasure-seeking; sanguine people are sociable and charismatic. They tend to enjoy social gatherings, making new friends and tend to be boisterous. They are usually quite creative and often daydream. However, some alone time is crucial for those of this temperament. Sanguine can also mean sensitive, compassionate and thoughtful. Sanguine personalities generally struggle with following tasks all the way through, are chronically late, and tend to be forgetful and sometimes a little sarcastic. Often, when they pursue a new hobby, they lose interest as soon as it ceases to be engaging or fun. They are very much people persons. They are talkative and not shy. Sanguines generally have an almost shameless nature, certain that what they are doing is right. They have no lack of confidence. lol yeah right. Phlegmatic would seem more appropriate but eh. MBTI >
5773
« on: October 04, 2015, 07:19:00 PM »
No Wankperor.
But even with him alive, the Emberor is powered by the faith of people (I believe). And when the Forerunner starts blowing up star systems and blowing up planets, I'm sure that his power will fade as people lose faith.
Cry more.
The Emperor was a God powered being even before the faith in the Emperor started to supercharge his psychic imprint in the warp.
Oh no blowing up a few planets, whatever will the feeble hearted folk of the Imperium do.
It's not like the Imperium itself routinely burns entire planets to ashes, detonates their cores and atomises the rubble. Or that every day more and more planets fall to daemonic incursion. Or the Nids. Or the Tau. Or the Eldar Pirates. Or the Necrons. Or the Chaos Marines. Or the Orks.
Whatever will they do, they must be quaking at the thought of a few planets, star systems and subsectors being liquidated.
His power isn't a malleable thing based on faith points, the accumulated psychic imprint of the entire species has created a warp entity in the form of the Emperor which is at the same time the Emperor. Killing a few trillion humans won't do jack shit in 40k.
Forerunners are closer to super-civilizations like the Culture and stuff than the IoM. Book Forerunners would deploy so fast though slipspace that the Imperium would lag behind.
Terra would be the only planet that would take years to besiege and conquer because...well its Terra. What the Imperium has going for them in standard infantry are flashlight guys against the Warrior-Servants, the Space Marines against the superior numbers of the ancient Prometheans, and their warships are outclassed by the Forerunner battleships. Contender-class AIs would render most of the IoM's naval ships useless and allow the rest of the Forerunner armada to mop the floor...or space with the inferior Imperial ships.
This is like comparing the Galactic Empire with United Federation of Planets.
Hmm, well that would depend on which universe they decided to fight in. If the forerunners were on the offensive, they'd be in the 40kverse and so they'd either have to ask the eldar very nicely about the webway or they'd be slogging through the warp. Without Gellar fields. That ends well. But giving them the +1 handicap, because they need it, say they had the slipspace FTL advantage - That's all well and good for rapid deployment but then they tend to run into a bit of a problem. The Imperium doesn't give a shit about 98% of the planets in it's Empire, because they are all pretty much expendable. Forge Worlds, Fortress Worlds, Space Marine homeworlds and Terra are the kind of places that count. At any given time the amount of forces defending each of these locations is utterly overwhelming, it takes something like the 3rd war for Armageddon to draw forces away from these locations willingly. The forerunner ships might have some nice fancy stuff going for them, but some of the bigger IoM spacecraft would still batter them to hell and back. Stick a few nova cannons into the fleets and that'll be GG for basically anything in the firing line. Then to take the ground on each planet? Good luck on that one, the IOM has trillions (not exaggerated) of flashlighters and figures vary but around about a million odd space marines. Quite aside from the toys the ad mech roll out to play. Like Cadia for example. 13 black crusades and counting.
5774
« on: October 04, 2015, 07:07:25 PM »
Funny thing is, my OP never included the Empurur.
Or nids. Or Tau. Or CTan. Or anything.
This is the Imperium vs Forerunners.
Not the God Emburur of Mankind vs Forerunners.
''The Imperium of Man'' Just not including the leader of said imperium. lol
5775
« on: October 04, 2015, 07:03:00 PM »
English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh.
A nice little union jack meatbag am I.
i bet ye like to fuck sheep innit?
no
5776
« on: October 04, 2015, 07:02:42 PM »
No Wankperor.
But even with him alive, the Emberor is powered by the faith of people (I believe). And when the Forerunner starts blowing up star systems and blowing up planets, I'm sure that his power will fade as people lose faith.
Cry more.
The Emperor was a God powered being even before the faith in the Emperor started to supercharge his psychic imprint in the warp.
Oh no blowing up a few planets, whatever will the feeble hearted folk of the Imperium do.
It's not like the Imperium itself routinely burns entire planets to ashes, detonates their cores and atomises the rubble. Or that every day more and more planets fall to daemonic incursion. Or the Nids. Or the Tau. Or the Eldar Pirates. Or the Necrons. Or the Chaos Marines. Or the Orks.
Whatever will they do, they must be quaking at the thought of a few planets, star systems and subsectors being liquidated.
His power isn't a malleable thing based on faith points, the accumulated psychic imprint of the entire species has created a warp entity in the form of the Emperor which is at the same time the Emperor. Killing a few trillion humans won't do jack shit in 40k.
holy fuck youre a dork GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD
oh no my feelings
5777
« on: October 04, 2015, 07:00:58 PM »
English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh.
A nice little union jack meatbag am I.
5778
« on: October 04, 2015, 06:58:26 PM »
No Wankperor.
But even with him alive, the Emberor is powered by the faith of people (I believe). And when the Forerunner starts blowing up star systems and blowing up planets, I'm sure that his power will fade as people lose faith.
Cry more. The Emperor was a God powered being even before the faith in the Emperor started to supercharge his psychic imprint in the warp. Oh no blowing up a few planets, whatever will the feeble hearted folk of the Imperium do. It's not like the Imperium itself routinely burns entire planets to ashes, detonates their cores and atomises the rubble. Or that every day more and more planets fall to daemonic incursion. Or the Nids. Or the Tau. Or the Eldar Pirates. Or the Necrons. Or the Chaos Marines. Or the Orks. Whatever will they do, they must be quaking at the thought of a few planets, star systems and subsectors being liquidated. His power isn't a malleable thing based on faith points, the accumulated psychic imprint of the entire species has created a warp entity in the form of the Emperor which is at the same time the Emperor. Killing a few trillion humans won't do jack shit in 40k.
5779
« on: October 04, 2015, 06:54:18 PM »
The Forerunner Ecumene at its height would destroy the Imperium of Man.
The Forerunner Ecumene at its peak against the IoM at its peak plus the Emperor would be a closer fight.
>The Emperor
>Close fight
nice joke
NIGGA IS THAT HERESY IM READIN HERE?!
To do a camnator, the only heretic here is yourself.
Doubting the Emperor cannot singlehandedly grape the entire forerunner species out of existence is almost cute in it's naive heresy.
Of course he can't, not while being alive and not in the Golden Throne. Alive he is powerful yes, but when the immense might of the superior Forerunner navy hits...yeah.
If the forerunners get to be at their peak, so does the Emperor.
Or hell, just switch off the throne and watch him reincarnate.
Sure terra would be lost but then the golden boy is back in town.
This is a chap who dragged a dragon from syria to mars in an age without space travel.
Go figure.
That would imply that the Star Child Theory is correct.
I favour the Sensei theory really <_< Nothing like feeding someone all of their children to reincarnate them the hard way.
5780
« on: October 04, 2015, 06:46:45 PM »
The Forerunner Ecumene at its height would destroy the Imperium of Man.
The Forerunner Ecumene at its peak against the IoM at its peak plus the Emperor would be a closer fight.
>The Emperor
>Close fight
nice joke
NIGGA IS THAT HERESY IM READIN HERE?!
To do a camnator, the only heretic here is yourself.
Doubting the Emperor cannot singlehandedly grape the entire forerunner species out of existence is almost cute in it's naive heresy.
Of course he can't, not while being alive and not in the Golden Throne. Alive he is powerful yes, but when the immense might of the superior Forerunner navy hits...yeah.
If the forerunners get to be at their peak, so does the Emperor. Or hell, just switch off the throne and watch him reincarnate. Sure terra would be lost but then the golden boy is back in town. This is a chap who dragged a dragon from syria to mars in an age without space travel. Go figure.
5781
« on: October 04, 2015, 06:44:38 PM »
Marine can't defeat didact.
Marines fight Psykers far worse than anything the Didact has at his disposal regularly.
The tyranids make the flood look cute.
The most advanced forerunner weaponry is infantile compared to Eldar guns.
The didact can do what exactly?
Use the force?
Talk menacingly?
Oh no, whatever will the space marines do against such a horrific foe.
Dildact has adaptive armour. If it doesn't kill him his armour modifies itself to adapt to anything thrown at him. And he's apparently not easy to kill.
It's gravity manipulation actually, which can be a real bitch when turned up to 11.
Dildact can actually afford to give speeches since he's so casually consistent about not giving a fuck in combat.
I'm reasonably certain one of the following would be enough on it's own, but in conjunction would be GG no re.
Lascannon, Plasma cannon, Heavy Bolter, Multi-Melta (This especially, that sucker will turn the heaviest tank into a pool of molten metal in seconds) or just the plain old Godwyn Bolter would probably do the trick.
It's reasonably similar to some of the shit farseers pull with the warp, but without the chance for daemons to come skreeing out of thin air in the process. There is a nice little intro cinematic to DOW:II that shows what happened to the farseer anyway e.e
The other thing that the marines are good at is just pulping someone who stands their talking rather than fighting >_>
See the entire campaign of every dawn of war game ever. lol
Forerunner combat skins are retarded strong, I doubt that Space Marine standard would put a dent into the Didact's shields and armor. It would take a Power Sword or Power Hammer to smash.
Well a powersword isn't all that uncommon for marines <_<
Most veteran sergeants and above would have one, unless they prefer a chainsword for the gore factor.
Basically any power weapon would work because of the weird forcefield shit they wrap around the blade. A normal human with a powerfist can carve through tank armour like it's butter, so a spehss mehren with one of them would do him in <_<
That is if the Marine is fast enough, the Didact well can fly by manipulating the gravity around his body. He can also manipulate the gravity around the bodies of others, and could easily flip or throw the marine away from any battle zone. He doesn't need to face the slightly superior Space Marine to win, he just needs to play it smart. If the Didact wanted to Hulk Smash Space Marines he would need his War Sphinx which can destroy continents.
To pick someone on par with the didact in the respective universes (as in, position/power etc) you'd be looking at a chapter master.
Some of the chapter masters are bordering on primarch levels of badassery, even the smurfs CM has done some ridiculous feats (Like holding an entire pass against an oncoming ork army singlehandedly for about two days of solid fighting)
So going by any of the big named CMs
Dante, Angelos, Calgar, Helbrecht, Azrael, Kantor, Seth, Draigo*, Severax, Tu'Shan and mothafuckin-Logan Grimnar.
Pretty much any of these guys, who are standard space marine biology unlike primarch but just BAMFs to a man could drub the didact around the room with ease.
So in a 1v1 rust noscopes only with any of these, he'd lose. He'd have a chance against a foddermarine, struggle against a well organised tactical squad and be GGing against terminators <_<
As for a war sphinx, an imperator titan or even a reaver could probably fuck it up without much bother. It'd be doing well to strip the void shields off one let alone damage it <_<
If all else failed though, and they really didn't want him escaping a planet after miraculously beating errbody. They'd just roll out the nova cannon, which is the kind of planetary system ending allahuakbar that osama can only dream of.
40k never gets beaten at the over powered game <_<
Seekers, the newer super War Sphinx, are like better. So basically, the entire Forerunner military would be necessary to defeat the Empire of Man.
Given that the forerunners lost to the flood or their own arrogance/stupidity.
Even if they came back better than ever, they are still gonna get bitchmade by most of the 40k stuff out there.
'There is always a bigger fish'
and that fish is 40k
e.e
The Forerunners lost because they had just come out of a war with Ancient Humanity that had lasted a millennia. And besides, Silentium Flood was corrupting/infecting the fabric of the space-time continuum, taxing slipspace travel, using gigantic Star Roads that could slice through planets and stars, had planet-sized Keyminds that were corrupting smart AIs with the Logic Plague and were calculating complex naval operations, and had a Contender-class AI in their side. Also, they had a Halo at their disposal: Omega Halo, which they used to destroy the Forerunner Capital world and later used in the Greater Ark.
When you look at it, Silentium Flood were unstoppable with they advanced use of Neural Physics and ancient Precursor weapons of mass destruction and structures. The Forerunners were pushed to use the Halos because nothing else worked. Not even star-killing ships that the Forerunners had were enough to even slow down the Flood.
Necrons are the perfect counter to the flood. The Halo rings wouldn't affect them and they are unstoppable, just slowable.
At their peak the necrontyr were doing things that make any of the ancient humanity/old forerunner/precursor tech look like a clock in a pencil case. They aren't sentient, they aren't programmed. They just exist to harvest all living life for the C'tan, so a little bit like the Halo rings but none of the reseeding plans.
All of the things described there are nothing the necrontyr couldn't do themselves, the even more advanced shit comes directly from the C'tan.
The void dragon would stop any and every piece of mechanical technology from functioning if he felt like it. Lightswitches through to imperator titans are utterly powerless versus it, the halos wouldn't fire and every little bit of technology in the universe is subservient to it. The only reason that technology in the 40kverse still works is because the emperor kicked seven shades and then some out of it way back when (George and the Dragon)
In 40k the ultimate power is the C'tan, they can (eventually) strangle and kill off the four chaos gods and the entire warp with enough pylons built. The writers for this did what they did with the tyranids and realised they made something so unbelievably broken that it broke 40k, just like they did with the multiple galactic hive-fleets issue.
So basically if it comes down to a power levels discussion, the C'tan win against everything. Even the Emperor couldn't fight all of them and win.
Too bad we aren't discussing the space spooky skeletons. C'tan are game-breaking in all levels, you would need Marvel Skyfathers to bring them down.
Well you wanted to bring in the flood <_< Not even those chaps beat the C'tan though. Nobody beats the C'tan. Also boo hoo for the forerunners, a war lasting a few millenia. Try the best part of 15,000 years of absolute hell breaking loose across the entire galaxy <_< That's war.
5782
« on: October 04, 2015, 06:42:45 PM »
The Forerunner Ecumene at its height would destroy the Imperium of Man.
The Forerunner Ecumene at its peak against the IoM at its peak plus the Emperor would be a closer fight.
>The Emperor
>Close fight
nice joke
NIGGA IS THAT HERESY IM READIN HERE?!
To do a camnator, the only heretic here is yourself. Doubting the Emperor cannot singlehandedly grape the entire forerunner species out of existence is almost cute in it's naive heresy.
5783
« on: October 04, 2015, 06:39:18 PM »
Hardcore mode would be nice, but I'm not holding my hopes up too much.
The majority of the Bethesda fanbase is like the most casual fanbase in existence. They think normal mode on easy is tough, they thought skyrim was tough.
Unfortunately. Ah well, there is always mods to add it but it just isn't quite the same imo.
5784
« on: October 04, 2015, 06:37:34 PM »
Marine can't defeat didact.
Marines fight Psykers far worse than anything the Didact has at his disposal regularly.
The tyranids make the flood look cute.
The most advanced forerunner weaponry is infantile compared to Eldar guns.
The didact can do what exactly?
Use the force?
Talk menacingly?
Oh no, whatever will the space marines do against such a horrific foe.
Dildact has adaptive armour. If it doesn't kill him his armour modifies itself to adapt to anything thrown at him. And he's apparently not easy to kill.
It's gravity manipulation actually, which can be a real bitch when turned up to 11.
Dildact can actually afford to give speeches since he's so casually consistent about not giving a fuck in combat.
I'm reasonably certain one of the following would be enough on it's own, but in conjunction would be GG no re.
Lascannon, Plasma cannon, Heavy Bolter, Multi-Melta (This especially, that sucker will turn the heaviest tank into a pool of molten metal in seconds) or just the plain old Godwyn Bolter would probably do the trick.
It's reasonably similar to some of the shit farseers pull with the warp, but without the chance for daemons to come skreeing out of thin air in the process. There is a nice little intro cinematic to DOW:II that shows what happened to the farseer anyway e.e
The other thing that the marines are good at is just pulping someone who stands their talking rather than fighting >_>
See the entire campaign of every dawn of war game ever. lol
Forerunner combat skins are retarded strong, I doubt that Space Marine standard would put a dent into the Didact's shields and armor. It would take a Power Sword or Power Hammer to smash.
Well a powersword isn't all that uncommon for marines <_<
Most veteran sergeants and above would have one, unless they prefer a chainsword for the gore factor.
Basically any power weapon would work because of the weird forcefield shit they wrap around the blade. A normal human with a powerfist can carve through tank armour like it's butter, so a spehss mehren with one of them would do him in <_<
That is if the Marine is fast enough, the Didact well can fly by manipulating the gravity around his body. He can also manipulate the gravity around the bodies of others, and could easily flip or throw the marine away from any battle zone. He doesn't need to face the slightly superior Space Marine to win, he just needs to play it smart. If the Didact wanted to Hulk Smash Space Marines he would need his War Sphinx which can destroy continents.
To pick someone on par with the didact in the respective universes (as in, position/power etc) you'd be looking at a chapter master.
Some of the chapter masters are bordering on primarch levels of badassery, even the smurfs CM has done some ridiculous feats (Like holding an entire pass against an oncoming ork army singlehandedly for about two days of solid fighting)
So going by any of the big named CMs
Dante, Angelos, Calgar, Helbrecht, Azrael, Kantor, Seth, Draigo*, Severax, Tu'Shan and mothafuckin-Logan Grimnar.
Pretty much any of these guys, who are standard space marine biology unlike primarch but just BAMFs to a man could drub the didact around the room with ease.
So in a 1v1 rust noscopes only with any of these, he'd lose. He'd have a chance against a foddermarine, struggle against a well organised tactical squad and be GGing against terminators <_<
As for a war sphinx, an imperator titan or even a reaver could probably fuck it up without much bother. It'd be doing well to strip the void shields off one let alone damage it <_<
If all else failed though, and they really didn't want him escaping a planet after miraculously beating errbody. They'd just roll out the nova cannon, which is the kind of planetary system ending allahuakbar that osama can only dream of.
40k never gets beaten at the over powered game <_<
Seekers, the newer super War Sphinx, are like better. So basically, the entire Forerunner military would be necessary to defeat the Empire of Man.
Given that the forerunners lost to the flood or their own arrogance/stupidity.
Even if they came back better than ever, they are still gonna get bitchmade by most of the 40k stuff out there.
'There is always a bigger fish'
and that fish is 40k
e.e
The Forerunners lost because they had just come out of a war with Ancient Humanity that had lasted a millennia. And besides, Silentium Flood was corrupting/infecting the fabric of the space-time continuum, taxing slipspace travel, using gigantic Star Roads that could slice through planets and stars, had planet-sized Keyminds that were corrupting smart AIs with the Logic Plague and were calculating complex naval operations, and had a Contender-class AI in their side. Also, they had a Halo at their disposal: Omega Halo, which they used to destroy the Forerunner Capital world and later used in the Greater Ark.
When you look at it, Silentium Flood were unstoppable with they advanced use of Neural Physics and ancient Precursor weapons of mass destruction and structures. The Forerunners were pushed to use the Halos because nothing else worked. Not even star-killing ships that the Forerunners had were enough to even slow down the Flood.
Necrons are the perfect counter to the flood. The Halo rings wouldn't affect them and they are unstoppable, just slowable. At their peak the necrontyr were doing things that make any of the ancient humanity/old forerunner/precursor tech look like a clock in a pencil case. They aren't sentient, they aren't programmed. They just exist to harvest all living life for the C'tan, so a little bit like the Halo rings but none of the reseeding plans. All of the things described there are nothing the necrontyr couldn't do themselves, the even more advanced shit comes directly from the C'tan. The void dragon would stop any and every piece of mechanical technology from functioning if he felt like it. Lightswitches through to imperator titans are utterly powerless versus it, the halos wouldn't fire and every little bit of technology in the universe is subservient to it. The only reason that technology in the 40kverse still works is because the emperor kicked seven shades and then some out of it way back when (George and the Dragon) In 40k the ultimate power is the C'tan, they can (eventually) strangle and kill off the four chaos gods and the entire warp with enough pylons built. The writers for this did what they did with the tyranids and realised they made something so unbelievably broken that it broke 40k, just like they did with the multiple galactic hive-fleets issue. So basically if it comes down to a power levels discussion, the C'tan win against everything. Even the Emperor couldn't fight all of them and win.
5785
« on: October 04, 2015, 06:25:46 PM »
That would be a weeaboo.
5786
« on: October 04, 2015, 06:16:44 PM »
Hardcore mode would be nice, but I'm not holding my hopes up too much.
5787
« on: October 04, 2015, 06:15:20 PM »
Marine can't defeat didact.
Marines fight Psykers far worse than anything the Didact has at his disposal regularly.
The tyranids make the flood look cute.
The most advanced forerunner weaponry is infantile compared to Eldar guns.
The didact can do what exactly?
Use the force?
Talk menacingly?
Oh no, whatever will the space marines do against such a horrific foe.
Dildact has adaptive armour. If it doesn't kill him his armour modifies itself to adapt to anything thrown at him. And he's apparently not easy to kill.
It's gravity manipulation actually, which can be a real bitch when turned up to 11.
Dildact can actually afford to give speeches since he's so casually consistent about not giving a fuck in combat.
I'm reasonably certain one of the following would be enough on it's own, but in conjunction would be GG no re.
Lascannon, Plasma cannon, Heavy Bolter, Multi-Melta (This especially, that sucker will turn the heaviest tank into a pool of molten metal in seconds) or just the plain old Godwyn Bolter would probably do the trick.
It's reasonably similar to some of the shit farseers pull with the warp, but without the chance for daemons to come skreeing out of thin air in the process. There is a nice little intro cinematic to DOW:II that shows what happened to the farseer anyway e.e
The other thing that the marines are good at is just pulping someone who stands their talking rather than fighting >_>
See the entire campaign of every dawn of war game ever. lol
Forerunner combat skins are retarded strong, I doubt that Space Marine standard would put a dent into the Didact's shields and armor. It would take a Power Sword or Power Hammer to smash.
Well a powersword isn't all that uncommon for marines <_<
Most veteran sergeants and above would have one, unless they prefer a chainsword for the gore factor.
Basically any power weapon would work because of the weird forcefield shit they wrap around the blade. A normal human with a powerfist can carve through tank armour like it's butter, so a spehss mehren with one of them would do him in <_<
That is if the Marine is fast enough, the Didact well can fly by manipulating the gravity around his body. He can also manipulate the gravity around the bodies of others, and could easily flip or throw the marine away from any battle zone. He doesn't need to face the slightly superior Space Marine to win, he just needs to play it smart. If the Didact wanted to Hulk Smash Space Marines he would need his War Sphinx which can destroy continents.
To pick someone on par with the didact in the respective universes (as in, position/power etc) you'd be looking at a chapter master.
Some of the chapter masters are bordering on primarch levels of badassery, even the smurfs CM has done some ridiculous feats (Like holding an entire pass against an oncoming ork army singlehandedly for about two days of solid fighting)
So going by any of the big named CMs
Dante, Angelos, Calgar, Helbrecht, Azrael, Kantor, Seth, Draigo*, Severax, Tu'Shan and mothafuckin-Logan Grimnar.
Pretty much any of these guys, who are standard space marine biology unlike primarch but just BAMFs to a man could drub the didact around the room with ease.
So in a 1v1 rust noscopes only with any of these, he'd lose. He'd have a chance against a foddermarine, struggle against a well organised tactical squad and be GGing against terminators <_<
As for a war sphinx, an imperator titan or even a reaver could probably fuck it up without much bother. It'd be doing well to strip the void shields off one let alone damage it <_<
If all else failed though, and they really didn't want him escaping a planet after miraculously beating errbody. They'd just roll out the nova cannon, which is the kind of planetary system ending allahuakbar that osama can only dream of.
40k never gets beaten at the over powered game <_<
Seekers, the newer super War Sphinx, are like better. So basically, the entire Forerunner military would be necessary to defeat the Empire of Man.
Given that the forerunners lost to the flood or their own arrogance/stupidity. Even if they came back better than ever, they are still gonna get bitchmade by most of the 40k stuff out there. 'There is always a bigger fish' and that fish is 40k e.e
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« on: October 04, 2015, 06:08:34 PM »
Marine can't defeat didact.
Marines fight Psykers far worse than anything the Didact has at his disposal regularly.
The tyranids make the flood look cute.
The most advanced forerunner weaponry is infantile compared to Eldar guns.
The didact can do what exactly?
Use the force?
Talk menacingly?
Oh no, whatever will the space marines do against such a horrific foe.
Dildact has adaptive armour. If it doesn't kill him his armour modifies itself to adapt to anything thrown at him. And he's apparently not easy to kill.
It's gravity manipulation actually, which can be a real bitch when turned up to 11.
Dildact can actually afford to give speeches since he's so casually consistent about not giving a fuck in combat.
I'm reasonably certain one of the following would be enough on it's own, but in conjunction would be GG no re.
Lascannon, Plasma cannon, Heavy Bolter, Multi-Melta (This especially, that sucker will turn the heaviest tank into a pool of molten metal in seconds) or just the plain old Godwyn Bolter would probably do the trick.
It's reasonably similar to some of the shit farseers pull with the warp, but without the chance for daemons to come skreeing out of thin air in the process. There is a nice little intro cinematic to DOW:II that shows what happened to the farseer anyway e.e
The other thing that the marines are good at is just pulping someone who stands their talking rather than fighting >_>
See the entire campaign of every dawn of war game ever. lol
Forerunner combat skins are retarded strong, I doubt that Space Marine standard would put a dent into the Didact's shields and armor. It would take a Power Sword or Power Hammer to smash.
Well a powersword isn't all that uncommon for marines <_<
Most veteran sergeants and above would have one, unless they prefer a chainsword for the gore factor.
Basically any power weapon would work because of the weird forcefield shit they wrap around the blade. A normal human with a powerfist can carve through tank armour like it's butter, so a spehss mehren with one of them would do him in <_<
That is if the Marine is fast enough, the Didact well can fly by manipulating the gravity around his body. He can also manipulate the gravity around the bodies of others, and could easily flip or throw the marine away from any battle zone. He doesn't need to face the slightly superior Space Marine to win, he just needs to play it smart. If the Didact wanted to Hulk Smash Space Marines he would need his War Sphinx which can destroy continents.
To pick someone on par with the didact in the respective universes (as in, position/power etc) you'd be looking at a chapter master. Some of the chapter masters are bordering on primarch levels of badassery, even the smurfs CM has done some ridiculous feats (Like holding an entire pass against an oncoming ork army singlehandedly for about two days of solid fighting) So going by any of the big named CMs Dante, Angelos, Calgar, Helbrecht, Azrael, Kantor, Seth, Draigo*, Severax, Tu'Shan and mothafuckin-Logan Grimnar. Pretty much any of these guys, who are standard space marine biology unlike primarch but just BAMFs to a man could drub the didact around the room with ease. So in a 1v1 rust noscopes only with any of these, he'd lose. He'd have a chance against a foddermarine, struggle against a well organised tactical squad and be GGing against terminators <_< As for a war sphinx, an imperator titan or even a reaver could probably fuck it up without much bother. It'd be doing well to strip the void shields off one let alone damage it <_< If all else failed though, and they really didn't want him escaping a planet after miraculously beating errbody. They'd just roll out the nova cannon, which is the kind of planetary system ending allahuakbar that osama can only dream of. 40k never gets beaten at the over powered game <_<
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« on: October 04, 2015, 05:56:09 PM »
Ahhh so many fond memories
I can't really think of the worst thing I've done mind you, because nothing I've ever done has left me feeling particularly guilty. I don't do bad things without a good cause you see.
One of the pettiest things perhaps, a teacher tried to give me a detention unjustly so I went and appealed to the headteacher who dropped it nice and quickly and I then pulled off a nice little chain of events that ended up with said teacher infront of a disciplinary committee.
I mean, it's either that or the numerous times I reduced my mother to tears. She kind of deserved that though, and then some. That's a funny one because there is a tiny bit of guilt there, even though there really shouldn't be any.
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« on: October 04, 2015, 05:39:08 PM »
Marine can't defeat didact.
Marines fight Psykers far worse than anything the Didact has at his disposal regularly.
The tyranids make the flood look cute.
The most advanced forerunner weaponry is infantile compared to Eldar guns.
The didact can do what exactly?
Use the force?
Talk menacingly?
Oh no, whatever will the space marines do against such a horrific foe.
Dildact has adaptive armour. If it doesn't kill him his armour modifies itself to adapt to anything thrown at him. And he's apparently not easy to kill.
It's gravity manipulation actually, which can be a real bitch when turned up to 11.
Dildact can actually afford to give speeches since he's so casually consistent about not giving a fuck in combat.
I'm reasonably certain one of the following would be enough on it's own, but in conjunction would be GG no re.
Lascannon, Plasma cannon, Heavy Bolter, Multi-Melta (This especially, that sucker will turn the heaviest tank into a pool of molten metal in seconds) or just the plain old Godwyn Bolter would probably do the trick.
It's reasonably similar to some of the shit farseers pull with the warp, but without the chance for daemons to come skreeing out of thin air in the process. There is a nice little intro cinematic to DOW:II that shows what happened to the farseer anyway e.e
The other thing that the marines are good at is just pulping someone who stands their talking rather than fighting >_>
See the entire campaign of every dawn of war game ever. lol
Forerunner combat skins are retarded strong, I doubt that Space Marine standard would put a dent into the Didact's shields and armor. It would take a Power Sword or Power Hammer to smash.
Well a powersword isn't all that uncommon for marines <_< Most veteran sergeants and above would have one, unless they prefer a chainsword for the gore factor. Basically any power weapon would work because of the weird forcefield shit they wrap around the blade. A normal human with a powerfist can carve through tank armour like it's butter, so a spehss mehren with one of them would do him in <_<
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